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[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think "cheating" is just a short hand term that became a popular way to describe the complicated relationship Shepard has with the Virmire Survivor or Liara. It's a pretty big oversimplification but I think the point is that it would still make a difference to Ashley or Kaidan if Shepard hooked up with somebody on the Normandy or not. "Cheating" might not be the most accurate term (at least depending on your Shepard's point of view) but it's just what everyone calls it. I don't know for certain obviously but I would imagined you'd be able to make the decision about which one you wanted to pursue in the third game relatively problem free.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 16 mai 2011 - 12:13 .

[spirosz]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I think "cheating" is just a short hand term that became a popular way to describe the complicated relationship Shepard has with the Virmire Survivor or Liara. It's a pretty big oversimplification but I think the point is that it would still make a difference to Ashley or Kaidan if Shepard hooked up with somebody on the Normandy or not. "Cheating" might not be the most accurate term (at least depending on your Shepard's point of view) but it's just what everyone calls it. I don't know for certain obviously but I would imagined you'd be able to make the decision about which one you wanted to pursue in the third game relatively problem free.

I agree, I think there's going to be different outcomes depending on how you chose to deal with it.  Be an ass about it, or say look, "I moved on, so did you, etc".  They'll probably mix that scene up with Paragon/Renegade choices or something towards those lines. 

Modifié par spiros9110, 16 mai 2011 - 01:04 .

[NICKjnp]

My guess is that new characters will be the bi romances. You probably won't be able to start a new romance with LI's from a previous game...that will happen inthe comic intro. As for Jack being bi...she is the character who should be least likely a bi character. She is the only character ingame that says she is not interested in women.

[axl99]

Gameinformer takes Casey's quote further in that how you treat the other potential LI squadmates also makes their way into ME3. Might make for interesting character drama.

[Goat_Shepard]

NICKjnp wrote...

My guess is that new characters will be the bi romances. You probably won't be able to start a new romance with LI's from a previous game...that will happen inthe comic intro. As for Jack being bi...she is the character who should be least likely a bi character. She is the only character ingame that says she is not interested in women.

Here's the thing:

[SPOILER]

Casey said "Like I say, we’re not introducing any new characters that are going to be love interests."

Someone asks him "Seriously? No new LI? That's lame"

Casey replies: "Don't believe everything you read in print"

A paradox?

axl99 wrote...
Gameinformer takes Casey's quote further in that how you treat the other potential LI squadmates also makes their way into ME3. Might make for interesting character drama.

You mean whether you renegade or paragon romance Jack? Innnterreesttinng.

yorkj86 wrote...

[SPOILER]

But didn't Hudson say that the writers would take great care to make sure that they would respect the established characters of the ME1 and ME2...characters, in making them romanceable by Shepards of both sexes?

Where did you hear that?

@Spiros

I'm likin your avatar

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 16 mai 2011 - 01:32 .

[axl99]

[SPOILER]

From what I've read here, apparently the LIs that you've flirted with will be affected as well.

Sounds complicated as a high concept because it factors in the character interactions you made for the past 2 games along with the rest of the bigger choices. But hey, if they managed to work out the bugs [aka CONRAD VERNER] and revamp it to include some more consequences in how Shepard treats squaddies in general...

But we'll see what happens. Once we get more concrete info on the LI matter at a later time, then we can make a proper attempt at sorting out the semantics behind Hudson's earlier tweet about the LIs.

Programatically it might be easier to implment with just the LIs from the first Mass Effect game because there's fewer people to deal with. And if it even takes into account the catfight that Ash/Kaidan has with Liara, especially if they're a Virmire survivor, hooo boy.

Modifié par axl99, 16 mai 2011 - 02:02 .

[spirosz]

@Goat

I thought you would hahahaha

[SPOILER]

With the whole S/S romance situation, I find making character's that are already established in 2 games, randomly gain this whole love for Shepard kind of out of place, you know what I mean? I think they're better off incorporating a BI love interest with a new character because that character(s) is going to be new to franchise and it won't cause such a dilemma with existing characters that we've grown so attached to.

I'm all in for expanding romances in ME3, but not if it ruins a set character.

Modifié par spiros9110, 16 mai 2011 - 02:03 .

[axl99]

@Spiros, you could still argue the same for ME2 in Tali's case. LoTSB pretty much proved to me that Hale and Meer were reading off the same script.

Chances are they'll do it again. That's how the script was written for the past couple games anyway.

[spirosz]

Ah true, I forgot about Tali. For her case though, I found it to be more genuine, but that's just my own perspective. Going through the event's that she went through with such a charismatic leader could influence what became of her in ME2, again though - personal opinion.

I'm just hoping it doesn't go the same route as DA2, nothing against it, but it just seemed forced.

[royceclemens]

I leave for a day and all sorts of s--t happens. DAMN YOU HUDSON FOR PULLING THIS ON A SUNDAY! Anyway...

-SPOILERS, SUCKA-

I don't much care about the S/S thing. If anything it might make our little fan club bigger. Do you have any idea how many women refuse to romance any of the female LIs because they don't want to play as Mark Meer to do it? I find it profoundly odd that my fellow fans of this particular character are so stodgy and conservative. It's like a bunch of Pat Boone fans at a Slayer concert.

Because my main Shep is locked in. He's romancing Jack and barring the end of the world, nothing is changing that. If Jack is made a bi LI, my male Shep is STILL romancing Jack. No one else's game affects mine. So I say, let 'em have their fun. It's not hurting me... and it's not hurting you either.

And any arguments about which characters may or may not be bi and whather or not it "betrays the integrity of the character" are completely and utterly pointless and will get you nowhere. Being that the characters deliver the same lines in the same way to Sheps of both genders, it means every character is lacquered with Ho Yay and Les Yay, and a compelling argument can be made for all of them.

And besides... Have you seen my female Shepards? THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL! Having sex with them doesn't make Jack bi. IT MAKES JACK SMART!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

As I said, I wouldn't really mind so much if they did it for Jack but only because she mentioned it herself. I'd just be annoyed that I missed out on an opportunity for the renegade sex scene in ME 2 for one of my characters and kind of hope she offers both casual and serious romances again in the third game.

[Goat_Shepard]

axl99 wrote...

[SPOILER]
Sounds complicated as a high concept because it factors in the character interactions you made for the past 2 games along with the rest of the bigger choices. But hey, if they managed to work out the bugs [aka CONRAD VERNER] and revamp it to include some more consequences in how Shepard treats squaddies in general...

Indeed. I hope the confrontation isn't an isolated incident where we get no acknowledgement from Jack about the ME1 LI.

Also, I usually shove a gun in Conrad's face just so that Conrad in ME2 makes more sense. If they fix that bug then I'm gunna feel pretty bad

yorkj86 wrote...
[SPOILER]

"I'm confident that our writing team will handle LI's in ME3 with sophistication and preserve character continuity."

I don't know how this Twitter thing works.  Damn kids.

I see. This is according to Bioware's standard of what "continuity preservation" even is, naturally

Also, click on the date below the Tweet and it will open it in a new link. Yeah, the tiny grey link. Damn kids indeed

royceclemens wrote...
Do you have any idea how many women refuse to romance any of the female LIs because they don't want to play as Mark Meer to do it?

They don't like the VA, that's fine. I preferably don't like playing as a female and hate Hale's VA, but I'm going to roleplay as her. Yup, roleplaying, in an RPG, imagine that. As for the s/s romance implementation, I'm not homophobic, but we're in a unique situation where there's been no gay Shepard for 2 games and now in the 3rd game he can suddenly like men. Okay.....wtf?

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
I'd just be annoyed that I missed out on an opportunity for the renegade sex scene in ME 2 for one of my characters and kind of hope she offers both casual and serious romances again in the third game.

I can't even fathom how that's gonna work. From a writing standpoint, a brand new serious romance path, brand new casual romance, continued serious, continued casual, is A LOT of different paths for only one of many LI that could have almost as many dynamics (if what you hope is true).

At the moment I would guess there are 3 different Intro-Jacks:  romanced, not-romanced, not-imported. Maybe she's not around if you don't import?  I honestly have no idea how you would start a romance with Jack in ME3. Cut-and-paste the ME2 romance? Ugh. I need sleep.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 16 mai 2011 - 03:46 .

[royceclemens]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

[SPOILER]
As for the s/s romance implementation, I'm not homophobic, but we're in a unique situation where there's been no gay Shepard for 2 games and now in the 3rd game he can suddenly like men. Okay.....wtf?

Okay, how is this going to affect your game?  Just because you can't see it means no one can and no one should?  Shouldn't your refusal to use an S/S romance for one of your Shepard's essentially solve your own problem?

And being as it takes two to tango, like I said, you can make an argument for any of the LIs to be bi.  Take Jack, for instance.  Her dialogue in ME2 doesn't make her bisexual.  The fact that she's had sex with women makes her bisexual.

[royceclemens]

Then dump him in your next conversation and continue the Jackmance like a boss.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Goat_Shepard wrote..

At the moment I would guess there are 3 different Intro-Jacks:  romanced, not-romanced, not-imported. Maybe she's not around if you don't import?  I honestly have no idea how you would start a romance with Jack in ME3. Cut-and-paste the ME2 romance? Ugh. I need sleep.

Can't really argue with you there. A starting new romance for anyone seems like a lot of work, especially to make it seem natural. I'm actually not sure how I feel about starting a new romance with anyone who I didn't before. It feels like all the work I did building a relationship with whoever it was from the first two games less important.

[Xilizhra]

I'm not homophobic, but we're in a unique situation where there's been no gay Shepard for 2 games and now in the 3rd game he can suddenly like men. Okay.....wtf?

Just don't flirt with women.
And never, ever preface something with "I'm not homophobic/racist/sexist/etc."

[royceclemens]

yorkj86 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

Then dump him in your next conversation and continue the Jackmance like a boss.

Did you read?  I should never have to resort to that in the first place.  That's an ideal arrangement of the mechanics.

EDIT: Made it sound angrier.

And if a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump it's ass a-hoppin'.  This is Mass Effect, and ninjamancing is a way of life.  It happened with the Consort, it happened with Liara, it happened with Jack and it'll happen again.  They could throw intent icons in the middle of the dialogue wheel and people will still, miraculously, f--k it up.

So you can suck it up like a good little soldier, or you can keep whining in mortal fear of getting Teh Ghey on you.  So if Jack is after you because you accidentally hit on a female squadmate, that makes it okay?

EDIT: Made it sound angrier.

Modifié par royceclemens, 16 mai 2011 - 05:34 .

[royceclemens]

I could possibly forgive ME2's problem with this, though, as it's only confusing after playing ME1. In ME1 the lower right was the complete tool response when it came to relationships. With ME2, lower right just means "no," and that's why so many romanced Jack without meaning to. If they stick with that, though, I think we're gonna be okay.

Modifié par royceclemens, 16 mai 2011 - 05:56 .

[axl99]

Going on whatever Casey mentioned in a previous tweet of his:

It's likely there's really nothing to speculate about if the writers stick to what they've done with Jack in ME2.

This, actually makes me happy. The possibility of more talking/bantering, and maybe actually hanging out with squaddies is what I like to hear.