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[Goat_Shepard]

It's glorious, Shepard!





^^Jack possibly pursuing a career in salespitching.

Right, anyway, I've been playing the hell out of Witcher 2 but still somehow make time for Jack

@Mondo your avatar is disturbingly cute PLEASE remove it

Yate wrote...
I love Jack. She's referred to as a psychopath, which doesn't make sense at all. She's more human than Miranda, certainly. She feels things more strongly than others. Considering her upbringing, I'd say she's quite stable.

The thing is, although she likes to brag about being so bad, her main victims are only people who've hurt her and got away with it. Certainly no worse than what Samara's done.

I worry that as a romantic interest, Shepard might end up hurting her in some way. She's very fragile. But I just can't resist. For some reason, I love women with short hair...

I agree on all accounts, Jack opening herself up to the spontaneity of love and loss is something Shepard can't take lightly. Now that Jack isn't barricading herself, Shepard doesn't necessarily need to match her assertiveness in casual conversations like before and they can both be more friendly. I fear one mishap would significantly raise her doubts, but as you said, I can't resist. I think what's more likely since we're getting a fluffier Jack is that she develops into a squadmember who trusts you and is also trustworthy (blasphemy, I know) and she gets maybe a "f*ck worrying so much, I'll protect you" attitude.  That sounds like Shepard, actually


As for the psychopath discussion, I agree with the theme of posts on this page. I still wonder why she was officially marketted as The Psychopath. Bioware trolling everyone?

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 20 mai 2011 - 06:56 .

[Labrev]

BigSlick wrote...

I don't understand all the support a bald overly tattooed ridiculously angry character gets. But then again i don't have to get it.

You're about as deep as a puddle.

[Epantiras]

Goat_Shepard wrote...
As for the psychopath discussion, I agree with the theme of posts on this page. I still wonder why she was officially marketted as The Psychopath. Bioware trolling everyone?

I think Bioware tried to deceive us:
- Jack was presented as psychopath but that term is wrong
- Jack was presented as "Subject Zero", so we don't know her name until we play
- when we first hear the name "Jack", we are meant to assume she's a man (like when Shepard is sent to recruit Okeer but then recruits Grunt instead)

I assume Bioware fed us "wrong" info about Jack so when players actually meet her in the game they would have been surprised. Too bad many people stop at first impressions.

[Goat_Shepard]

Epantiras wrote...
I think Bioware tried to deceive us:
- Jack was presented as psychopath but that term is wrong
- Jack was presented as "Subject Zero", so we don't know her name until we play
- when we first hear the name "Jack", we are meant to assume she's a man (like when Shepard is sent to recruit Okeer but then recruits Grunt instead)

Indeed. I kept waiting to hear Subject Zero but all we got was Jack The Convict in the dossier. Too bad for me I was into the hype and by deductive reasoning figured out who we were picking up on Purgatory (same with Archangel). It is pretty funny how everyone on that station never used "she" or "he". For storyline reasons I assume they only refer to her as Jack out of fear.

I assume Bioware fed us "wrong" info about Jack so when players actually meet her in the game they would have been surprised. Too bad many people stop at first impressions.

They did a good job. Too good, I'd say. Many only get that first impression from Purgatory before they leave her down in engineering for the rest of the game cursing Bioware for forcing them to recruit her.

I will admit, the method for recruiting Jack was audacious to say the least. The moral ambiguity of releasing all the prisoners to recruit a running, raving, screaming Jack must have left some emotional scars on many players

[Goat_Shepard]

I almost forgot. I found a cure for Miranda's butter face.


^^See? Goooood.


^^Baaaad.

I feel almost as bad for Kelly as Jack You can blame Collider.

Also, I jest. Jack's body is fine

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 20 mai 2011 - 01:02 .

[Batlass8]

Goat_Shepard wrote...
*Freaky Friday pic snip*

I... this... you... but....   

[Confused-Shepard]

Jack's head on Miranda's body = Mmmm... delicious

[Goat_Shepard]

Batlass8 wrote...
I... this... you... but....   

You can blame Collider

He taught me how to be a blasphemer

Confused-Shepard wrote...

Jack's head on Miranda's body = Mmmm... delicious

I prefer moderation. Anything more than a handful is too much I always say, but I figure I'm in the minority, there


Several things I notice about these headmorphs but one outstanding thing is that Jack's default expression is sort of "bored" or "unimpressed" and Miranda is always smiling. It provides for some pretty funny situations, like the above screenshot where it appears Miranda is rather pleased with the body-swap

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 20 mai 2011 - 03:16 .

[BigSlick]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

BigSlick wrote...

I don't understand all the support a bald overly tattooed ridiculously angry character gets. But then again i don't have to get it.

You're about as deep as a puddle.

Nah I just don't like chics that look like dudes with a bad attitude.

[Epantiras]

Batlass8 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...
*Freaky Friday pic snip*

I... this... you... but....   

I NEED EYEBLEACH!!!


Also, let's not feed vorcha ok?

[BigSlick]

Sundown Native wrote...

BigSlick wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

BigSlick wrote...

I don't understand all the support a bald overly tattooed ridiculously angry character gets. But then again i don't have to get it.

You're about as deep as a puddle.

Nah I just don't like chics that look like dudes with a bad attitude.

You realize you could have said this exact same thing elsewhere (Miranda thread, Liara thread) and just have people agree with you, instead of potentially starting up another arguement that borders on trolling, right?

If you come in this thread and say something negative about the character being supported, expect to get a negative response back.

As to your dislike of Jack? To each their own, I guess.

I almost removed my last post because it did feel like borderline trolling.  My original point was I'm having a hard time understanding everyones love for her as she may have been my least favorite character.  However I tried to end my post with a to each their own type message and was responded to rather negatively.  So I replied and probably shouldn't have.  Perhaps I'll like her more in ME3 with a redisigned look and a more mature character. 

[kumquats]

Don't feed trolls, just block them and move on.

I was really surprised when I first saw Jack. I bought the game last december and had no idea who Jack was. Of course I thought Jack was a guy, but after her reveal I was very impressed with the character design, very unique, very well done.

Abusing a child is just something horrible and I believe TIM knew what was going on, but he feigned ignorance.
My Shepard who was on Akuze and Jack should destroy Cerberus, with an epic Sweet-Revenge-Interrupt.

[Epantiras]

I spoilered myself the Subject Zero = Jack thing because of that video interview with the voice acting cast: somewhere during the vid, there was a shot with a big poster with all the signatures of the main voice actors next to the names of their characters - and of course Courtenay Taylor wrote "Jack" next to her name :-)

[Goat_Shepard]

@kumquats

Spoiler

It's too perfect of a situation for me to believe it might actually happen; My canon Sole Survivor and Jack pumping bullets (or knives, i'm not picky) into TIM's cross-legged body as he drags on his last cigarette. Dialogue and hugs shared afterwards between all. Honestly I hope Jack renegade interrupt's YOU if she's in your party and pulls out a shiv. How about a scalpel for irony

@Epantiras

If there was anything not to spoil, that was it. The fact I knew about Jack and Archangel is why I hate spoilers. And love them.

@york

[SPOILER]

Interesting. That pretty much applies to many of the individual's who have no sway with their respective species. How are we supposed to take on a thousand Reapers in squad-based combat? Disable each one from the inside? Pretty much everyone will be relying on heavy machinery, they even stated Shepard will use some sort of heavy mech. Jack is there like everyone else, to assist how they can, and the Reapers apparently have a lot of ground forces.

I think it would be awesome, if Shepard were to be out a potential squadmate, if Jack died, in ME2.  That can already happen with Garrus and Tali.  Why not Jack?  Just because people dislike her?  That's a cop-out.

There aren't any replacements as far as I know.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 20 mai 2011 - 04:43 .

[Goat_Shepard]

yorkj86 wrote...
[SPOILER]

Yeah?  That's what I'm saying.  So, if Garrus, Jack and Tali are dead, you have only Liara, Kaidan/Ashley, and this James person.  No replacements, you have to work with what you have.  You know, deal with the consequences.

[SPOILER]

You would only have those four people + Miranda, Jacob, and whoever else is in ME3 that survived. The news of certain players as "main characters" is a relief because it pretty much says you're only making things harder for yourself by losing squadmembers (should be commen sense, tbh). Casey says "we're trying not to punish you for your decisions, but actually reward you in different ways". It may sound like he's saying you'll be rewarded for sending Garrus through the vents, but nothing good can come from that. Nothing! At the very least it's just limiting your potential in the next game. I understand the thrill of finishing the game with only 2 people but I'll not experience it.

Perhaps it would be cooler for me if Jack had a clear plot relevance like Legion, and that's people's excuse for getting her killed. I imagine the lack of the awesomeness of Jack and at least one uber legendary cutscene is punishment enough for those that saw her die, but based on what Casey's said (different outcomes based on who's in your squad) it seems to be more than that.  I won't mind either way, if you just tell me Jack is back fer good.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 20 mai 2011 - 05:42 .

[Labrev]

Epantiras wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...

Goat_Shepard wrote...
*Freaky Friday pic snip*

I... this... you... but....   

I NEED EYEBLEACH!!!


Also, let's not feed vorcha ok?

Don't call him that! The vorcha don't deserve that kind of insult =P

[Marblecraze]

Epantiras wrote...

[SPOILER]

Jack being bi in ME3? I'd come here on the forums to complain about "how they've butchered her character" and/or "how they've done it just to appease the male audience".
Then I'd happily let my Femshep dump Mr. I-am-dying and make Jack her pirate queen

BUT

I bet the character who will turn bi is probably the Virmire Survivor. C'mon, the whole Virmire situation is about saving your LI and letting your best friend die instead (unless you're romancing Liara). If you decided to save the character of the same gender of your Shepard, it means you were not interested in romancing the one you decided to kill sacrifice.

And if I'm wrong and the character turning bi is Tali instead, I'll probably bash the keyboard on my head.
For great justice.

Really? You can really imagine the female Virmire survivor bisexual? I cant, not one bit. I could get into those reasons but the list could be wrong. Nonetheless, I pray youre right for full enjoyment.


Anyway, been away for a bit but i guess tali fans can rest well now. good for them.

[zewuok]

yorkj86 wrote...

Jack originally had that "HUMAN" tattoo, on her back. Someone else said that they had heard that Jack was originally supposed to be a fanatic to Cerberus' cause, and a willing volunteer for those experiments. That would have been very interesting.

Interesting and disturbing at the same time. I cannot magine people doing something like that to themselves, but to be honest I could never understand fanatics, no matter how hard I try.
But that would be a big change in game and probably would make Jack even more hated (most players I know roleplay Sheps who don't support Cerberus). Imagine her boasting about her uber-powers, trying to excuse TIM and his organization, advocating human dominance especially if the old council is dead.  
That just doesn't sound right to me.

[zewuok]

I'd still be a fan of the game, but a Jackolyte... that's too much of "what if" to me and I don't deal with "what ifs".
But it would certainly limit my playthroughs to either Jacob lovin' femshep or forever alone maleshep

On a side note- I was wondering about something kumquats said:

My Shepard who was on Akuze and Jack should destroy Cerberus, with an epic Sweet-Revenge-Interrupt.

Jack doesn't strike me as a vengeful type, but it would be nice to blow up more Cerberus facilities, I always enjoyed it in the first game But my romanced Jack wouldn't kill TIM even if she had the choice (at least that's how I'd like it to be) considering she spared Aresh. Well, maybe a shot to the kneecaps as a consolation prize, but nothing more

[Goat_Shepard]

zewuok wrote...
But that would be a big change in game and probably would make Jack even more hated (most players I know roleplay Sheps who don't support Cerberus). Imagine her boasting about her uber-powers, trying to excuse TIM and his organization, advocating human dominance especially if the old council is dead.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]
That just doesn't sound right to me.

That would completely change the narrative of her conversations and romance. It would be the end of all life Jack as we know it. I can't imagine Bioware presenting her as just a fanatic, she would have to regret her decision to volunteer or something and destroy Teltin out of shame. Ugh, I don't want to think about it.

zewuok wrote...
Jack doesn't strike me as a vengeful type, but it would be nice to blow up more Cerberus facilities, I always enjoyed it in the first game But my romanced Jack wouldn't kill TIM even if she had the choice (at least that's how I'd like it to be) considering she spared Aresh. Well, maybe a shot to the kneecaps as a consolation prize, but nothing more

Why doesn't she strike you as vengeful? First thing she says is she's looking for Cerberus names and places so she can "go killing". She tells Miranda she's gonna tear her apart herself after the SM if you renegade the confrontation. And you have to persuade her to spare Aresh. My guess is if Jack comes face to face with TIM she wouldn't hesitate for a second to "have his head" as she says it.

I don't think a romanced Jack would "forgive and forget", so to speak. Not easily, anyway, especially when this is TIM we're talking about.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 21 mai 2011 - 02:21 .