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[Errationatus]

How will Jack be effective in ME3?

Three words:  Biotic-Enhancing Exosuit.

TIM decided that Teltin was too bloody and had a Cerebrus cell set about creating a biotic supersuit that enhances any biotic's power at least by a factor of ten and has dark matter eezo generators and seriously powerful kinetic barriers. Looking for weapons to combat the Reapers, they stumble across this base and liberate a few suits (which means any biotic on your team and if your Shep's an Adept or Vanguard, you can use it too).

Which means they cut the crap, give Jack her cutscene Mech-smoking power levels and strap her into the suit.  Shepard ejects her out the Normandy's airlock and she hits a Reaper like a torpedo, roams around inside and blows it to scrap.

Booyah!  Jack kicks ass and chews bubblegum.

The downside is it takes 12 hours to recharge, so you really have to use it strategically.

Problem solved.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 21 mai 2011 - 04:31 .

[axl99]

[quote]yorkj86 wrote...

Jack originally had that "HUMAN" tattoo, on her back. Someone else said that they had heard that Jack was originally supposed to be a fanatic to Cerberus' cause, and a willing volunteer for those experiments. That would have been very interesting.[/quote]

[/quote]

The HUMAN tattoo was from the 3D model Blur Studios made for the FFTL mini-site. They took artistic liberties with the tats,  especially since they didn't bother adding the extra colour like in Matt Rhodes' concept, and nor have they added in her scars. 

[lolwut666]

I want to see Jack do something that only she can do, like when Starkiller knocked that Star Destroyer out of the sky with the Force.

[kumquats]

zewuok wrote...

I'd still be a fan of the game, but a Jackolyte... that's too much of "what if" to me and I don't deal with "what ifs".
But it would certainly limit my playthroughs to either Jacob lovin' femshep or forever alone maleshep

On a side note- I was wondering about something kumquats said:

My Shepard who was on Akuze and Jack should destroy Cerberus, with an epic Sweet-Revenge-Interrupt.

Jack doesn't strike me as a vengeful type, but it would be nice to blow up more Cerberus facilities, I always enjoyed it in the first game But my romanced Jack wouldn't kill TIM even if she had the choice (at least that's how I'd like it to be) considering she spared Aresh. Well, maybe a shot to the kneecaps as a consolation prize, but nothing more

I couldn't see them going on a Killing-Spree like in Kill Bill.
At least not with my Paragon. My Renegade is crazy, I won't guaranty it.

Maybe Jack could slap him, like in the Overlord DLC and Shepard could drag is ass to court. But I don't think that would happen in the game, perhaps in an possible epilogue.
I think if you want to bring Cerberus down, you have to expose TIM's financiers. If I recall correctly for Jack it would be Terra Firma?
And now I'm wondering who gave money for Akuze. hm....

And don't forget about Toombs, they could start a support group.

[lolwut666]

yorkj86 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

I want to see Jack do something that only she can do, like when Starkiller knocked that Star Destroyer out of the sky with the Force.

But...but...Super Special Protagonist!  

But I want to hear Shepard say "REACH OUT WITH THE BIOTICS AND PULL THAT REAPER!!"

[kumquats]

No, you're absolutely right. It was only a little joke, neither of them would sit on a chair a talk about their feelings.

[Epantiras]

Why would Jack be in ME3? Besides Casey Hudson calling her a "key character"?

[SPOILERS]
The Reapers are interested in human biotics: you can see it in the novels, when the Grayson in Reaper Avatar mode goes to the Grissom Achademy and goes gaga about all the biotic kids in there, and you can hear the original Shadow Broker saying that selling Jack's body to the Collectors will "net almost as much as Shepard's".

I'm not saying (or, at least, not hoping) she'll be as important as Morrigan or Isabela (who are integral part of the Dragon Age plot), but maybe she'll still play an important role in the defeat of the Reapers - or maybe just of Cerberus.

[zewuok]

Goat_Shepard wrote...
Why doesn't she strike you as vengeful? First thing she says is she's looking for Cerberus names and places so she can "go killing". She tells Miranda she's gonna tear her apart herself after the SM if you renegade the confrontation. And you have to persuade her to spare Aresh. My guess is if Jack comes face to face with TIM she wouldn't hesitate for a second to "have his head" as she says it.

Yep, she talks about killing whole bunch of people and threatens Miri but in the end she doesn't do that. I know it's
probably because of lack of time in the game and other plot reasons, but then why does she go to abandoned Teltin in her LM? She could easily track down some of the scientists responsible for her suffering and tear them to shreds, but she decides to destroy an empty facility, wants to erase memories of that place and not the people that worked there.
Sure, you have to persuade Jack not to kill Aresh, but she wants to shoot him because he wants to restart Teltin. She doesn't want to off him straight away so we don't  need a paragon interrupt like in Miranda's LM. And let's not forget she doesn't react very well if Shep tells her to shoot Aresh.
Jack's really forgiving if you compare her to Zaeed (or even Garrus) and his let them burn, I'm going after Vido or
whatever he said during his LM.

ETA: ah, TIM... my canon Shep wouldn't want him killed and would try to stop other squaddies from doing that. He'd just leave TIM with few bullet holes in his legs to suffer while watching everything burn around him.

Modifié par zewuok, 21 mai 2011 - 11:15 .

[Goat_Shepard]

[quote]zewuok wrote...
Yep, she talks about killing whole bunch of people and threatens Miri but in the end she doesn't do that. I know it's probably because of lack of time in the game and other plot reasons, but then why does she go to abandoned Teltin in her LM? She could easily track down some of the scientists responsible for her suffering and tear them to shreds, but she decides to destroy an empty facility, wants to erase memories of that place and not the people that worked there.[/quote]
I think she said she would do her killing after she survived the mission. Jack faults Shepard for his patience, but she exudes more of it than I thought reasonable. Or maybe she's blowing smoke to scare Shepard, Miranda, and anyone else who gets too close, who knows.

[quote]Sure, you have to persuade Jack not to kill Aresh, but she wants to shoot him because he wants to restart Teltin. She doesn't want to off him straight away so we don't  need a paragon interrupt like in Miranda's LM. And let's not forget she doesn't react very well if Shep tells her to shoot Aresh.
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She doesn't react well to telling her not to shoot him, either. If she kills him, then afterwards she says it's just like blowing the facility, "now i'm the only one who remembers what happened there". If she spares him, IIRC she says he's not worth it. Basically, she seems to react positively to either outcome. Which I find interesting. Is she ok with either outcome, or is one of those positives a negative? Aresh didn't do anything to her so I imagine she could care less, but can't say the same for the doctors if she ever found them.

[quote]Jack's really forgiving if you compare her to Zaeed (or even Garrus) and his let them burn, I'm going after Vido or whatever he said during his LM.[/quote]
No doubt, she's not as bad as Zaeed and not as naive with her revenge as Garrus. Her anger and vengence is remarkably well adjusted, I would expect a blind rage from her where she doesn't consider any outside information, but that's not the case.

[quote]ETA: ah, TIM... my canon Shep wouldn't want him killed and would try to stop other squaddies from doing that. He'd just leave TIM with few bullet holes in his legs to suffer while watching everything burn around him.
[/quote]
Well when you put it that way it doesn't sound so bad. Still....for all his victims....I must...kill....him...my...SELF!

Plus if Jack killed him it would be ironic. Can't you concede for the sake of irony?

[quote]Epantiras wrote...

Why would Jack be in ME3? Besides Casey Hudson calling her a "key character"?
Yeah that's our only information, which isn't bad for teaser info. All logic points to yes but heh, I'm smart enough not to trust in logic.

As for your [SPOILER], are you saying biotics could be a significant weapon v.s the Reapers?

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 21 mai 2011 - 01:32 .

[lolwut666]

@Goat_Shepard

"She doesn't react well to telling her not to shoot him, either. If she kills him, then afterwards she says it's just like blowing the facility, "now i'm the only one who remembers what happened there". If she spares him, IIRC she says he's not worth it. Basically, she seems to react positively to either outcome. Which I find interesting. Is she ok with either outcome, or is one of those positives a negative? Aresh didn't do anything to her so I imagine she could care less, but can't say the same for the doctors if she ever found them."

That's because that's her crucial moment for character development. You can either encourage her to embrace her violent tendencies - at which point she'll be happy she killed Aresh 'cause she is still evil - or you can persuade her to let him leave, and that will make her a better person by consequence, and in the end she'll recognize that killing him would probably be a waste of time.

It's not the same person having two different opinions; it's two different people with two different opinions (not literaly, of course).

[axl99]

yorkj86 wrote...

axl99 wrote...

The HUMAN tattoo was from the 3D model Blur Studios made for the FFTL mini-site. They took artistic liberties with the tats,  especially since they didn't bother adding the extra colour like in Matt Rhodes' concept, and nor have they added in her scars. 

And you're absolutely sure that the idea for the HUMAN tattoo doesn't precede the model used for the FFTL trailer?  I'm wondering where they got the idea from.  It must have come from somewhere.

We've all seen Matt Rhodes' concept art of Jack from the Art of the Game videos as he turns on photoshop layers for her scars and her tattoos.

For Blur Studios to make their trailers on a tight deadline they usually need production art [and the occasional unwrapped model] from the studios, although they have art directors of their own to fill in the gaps when said studio is preoccupied with game production.

Could just ask Matt or Casey for confirmation. Better than hearsay.

Modifié par axl99, 21 mai 2011 - 02:28 .

[Epantiras]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Epantiras wrote...

Why would Jack be in ME3? Besides Casey Hudson calling her a "key character"?
Yeah that's our only information, which isn't bad for teaser info. All logic points to yes but heh, I'm smart enough not to trust in logic.

As for your [SPOILER], are you saying biotics could be a significant weapon v.s the Reapers?

[SPOILER]
Maybe, maybe not. Cerberus clearly sees biotic powers as the "next step" in human evolution (see experiments on Jack). Both Saren and Grayson were reaper avatars and both had biotic powers - in the case of Grayson, he was exceptionally powerful. Almost every "repurposed" creature has some kind of biotic power (scions, pretorians and so on). It smells of Chekhov's Gun in my opinion: maybe it won't be the key to defeat the Reapers, but that could surely give humans an edge.

Modifié par Epantiras, 21 mai 2011 - 02:36 .

[NICKjnp]

I like that idea...since all my Sheps are biotics. And it gives me hope for Samara, Wrex, and Jack being at my side.

[Marblecraze]

"Liara, Kaidan or Ashley, Jack and Garrus all return as squadmembers, though all with substantial redesigns by the original artists."

http://www.gamepro.c...-mass-effect-3/

Second paragraph. I dont remember this article. Am I just reading that sentence to strictl?. Its sounds so straight forward but I cant remember any thing as confirmed as this as of late. Maybe this has allready been dicsussed. O well.

Edit: I guess the word thats lacking is permenent... i guess.

Modifié par Marblecraze, 21 mai 2011 - 06:56 .

[Epantiras]

[SPOILER]

Marblecraze wrote...

"Liara, Kaidan or Ashley, Jack and Garrus all return as squadmembers, though all with substantial redesigns by the original artists."

http://www.gamepro.c...-mass-effect-3/

Second paragraph. I dont remember this article. Am I just reading that sentence to strictl?. Its sounds so straight forward but I cant remember any thing as confirmed as this as of late. Maybe this has allready been dicsussed. O well.

Edit: I guess the word thats lacking is permenent... i guess.

Uhmmm the whole article smells of "recycled" info, meaning they read other articles or the twitters and then wrote their stuff. Anyway, Casey Hudson said that Jack is a "key character" but her status as permanent or temporary squadmate hasn't been revealed yet. The infamous "redesign" thing however could be a good evidence of her being permanent, since every character who's been redesigned has also been confirmed to be permanent so far.


EDIT:

Ohh top-of-the-page post! It needs moar Jack on it





EDITED AGAIN

Ok, shall the videogame Lord forgive me, because I know you Jackolytes won't.

I've noticed that the image above is disturbingly similar to something else I've seen around the Internet.
I've edited a little to make the similarity even more visible.



This is probably a relative of Trollface Miranda social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/2004874/525#7314114  

Feel free to use it whenever you need to express your rage!

Modifié par Epantiras, 21 mai 2011 - 08:35 .

[spirosz]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU LOL @ Epantiras

[axl99]

I'm guessing that's what Jack looks like when she's hungry.