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#19851
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I thought Jack's ear-thing was just an adornment.

#19852
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Sheit, I'd find just about every theory believable. Bioware leaves enough shrouded in mystery for me to talk endlessly about stuff like this. It's half the fun :P


Somehow I doubt it's just an adornment because it flashes periodically and that could alert the enemy to Jack's presence.

Btw I'm using the Claymore and I forgot it's got a 1-bullet magezine instead of what I previously thought was 3.

What gives?! Why me?!

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Goat_Shepard wrote...

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I AM OMEGAAAAAA
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#19855
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I received a response from Ms. Taylor about our questions.  A couple of her answers are very interesting, especially one that made me totally rethink my understanding of Jack's tattoos, and her choice to bare them.  I assume that Ms. Taylor is okay with me posting her responses here, but I'm just waiting for her go-ahead, anyway.

#19856
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They're prison/gang tattoos and she's showing them to warn people not to **** with her :)

Anyway, I'm waiting impatiently for the answers.

#19857
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Ms. Taylor thinks that Jack wouldn't show off her tattoos.  She thinks that Jack's tattoos are for herself.  They are who she really is, and she guards who she really is.  She thinks that Jack would wear more clothing; or, at least, not put her tattoos on display.

Maybe that makes her avoidant comments about her tattoos more meaningful. 

If Jack were to cover up her tattoos, that could have made for a really, really interesting different final romance scene, where Jack sits down with Shepard, and he goes over her tattoos, one-by-one, instead of the crying-and-cuddling we got.

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Here's Ms. Taylor's entire response.  Gimme a bit, while I format it, because these forums don't like copying-and-pasting, and formating.

1) What description were you given about Jack's character?

When we audition for things, we usually get a paragraph of information about the character. It often includes their attitude, if they have an accent, their pitch, social status, age, etc. It's usually accompanied by a picture. I actually don't remember the original audition for Jack because it was a few years ago now, which is kind of a bummer since I would love to see what we got for her!

2) What was your reaction when you found out you were voicing a badass chick who's covered in tattoos and has a shaved head?

As a kid I was really into punk rock music so I was psyched! I ran around with girls who had shaved heads and tattoos (although not to Jack's extreme) so she looked very familiar to me. And she was so original looking in the world of games - I loved that she didn't have long hair, thigh boots and huge boobs...although from reading the boards upon her initial release, I was in the minority of thinking she was hot! I couldn't believe people hated her so much before the game even dropped - especially because of her looks. I was happy to see some people changed their minds once they played ME2, but still - note to self: Don't read the boards!

3) Were you able to find Jack's voice quickly, or did you have to experiment with a few different types of accents, dialects and enunciations before it sounded right?

I'll let you in on a little secret - there was no experimenting with her vocal sound. Jack is just me - sometimes on a very bad day. The director immediately asked me to use my own voice which was a bit of a relief. Jack had so much emotional range that it allowed me to just concentrate on that stuff and not worry about an accent or attitude that was further from my own.

4) Jack has quite a few emotional scenes. Was it difficult to nail that perfect tone for those scenes?

Because in video games we generally record separately from other actors, certain material can be a challenge.  When she was describing what had happened to her as a child standing in her old room - that was a bit tricky. You have to live those memories in the first person and not get caught standing outside of it, feeling badly for your own character. Torture and experimentation are things I've not experienced so I instantly default to being horrified and obviously that doesn't work for Jack. So I had to work to stay away from that. Her rage, her disdain for Miranda, and her sensitive moments came easier. I understand what it's like to be a tough girl with a gooey center!

5) Were you able to hear the lines of other characters while you were recording lines?

Not the actors' spoken versions. In most games the director will help us sort out what is going on in the moment, and read the previous line to us so we know who we are talking to and the tone of the scene. The gorgeously talented Ginny McSwain directed me on all my Jack sessions, and she gives a killer read and gave me a lot to work with. She is a ****** jack actor and director and she can coax a great read from just about anyone.

6) Have you seen a lot of footage of Jack with your voice coming from her mouth?

I've seen the trailers and the clips on YouTube. I absolutely loved the trailers - I was gobsmacked to see the final product. She's so cool and real and looks amazing. I loved howcandid that one was where she is talking into the camera - they did a brilliant job. Although after the initial trailer I did get a lot of messages on my cel from friends, saying "Who's the bad-ass biotic now, ****?" So I think that was the favorite line!

7) How do you feel about the about the end result of the character Jack? Is there anything you would change about her?

I am really proud of Jack, not just the work I did but her whole persona - she was so distinct on the page. The writers should be commended on creating a complex, layered character that represents a different kind of real girl out there who really does exist and deserves to be heard. She was the first character I've voiced in a game where I was like, "Oh yeah, I totally get this girl..." She has no governor over what she says or feels but she is no bull**** either. And I'd rather hang out with people who are a little socially awkward and will tell you the truth of how they feel than someone who's "nice" and tells you what you want to hear.

The only thing I didn't love was something visual, and the Bioware guys changed before the release. Initially I wasn't mad about the leather strap across her chest - but they changed it to a regular top. I'm not puritanical at all - Jack just didn't seem like she would lead with something so sexy - she's too guarded to show that much skin even though she loves her tattoos. I felt they were for HER though, not to show off. I thought the final look was great and her tattoos were especially amazing.

8) Did you do voice work for other characters in the game?

I did, Kalara Tomi. I was credited with another character in the press, but it was a mistake.

9) How were you chosen as Jack's VA?

That you would have to ask the lovely people at Bioware! I assume they listened to a million auditions so I was very fortunate to get the role. Having a deeper voice probably helped since Jack simply could NOT sound squeaky, and I have worked with and auditioned for Bioware before so perhaps that was a factor? I'd like to think it was my *sparkling* personality and toothy grin, but I doubt it ;)

10) And last but not least, cake or pie?

That is easy. CAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE! I don't like hot fruit much so pie is last on the list. I love cupcakes and really good scratch cakes. My best friend is an epic baker so I've been known to knock out a few cupcakes with some strong coffee and call it breakfast!

I would just like to say a big fat thank you to all the Jackolytes out there! What a talented, smart, creative bunch you guys are! I am constantly blown away by the gorgeous art and writing you guys craft. Thanks for all the kind words on the boards, in the mail and on Facebook and Twitter. I am thrilled that you love Jack as much as I do and I hope to stay connected with you guys!

Much love, Courtenay

Modifié par yorkj86, 27 mai 2011 - 06:52 .


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yorkj86 wrote...
I'll let you in on a little secret - there was no experimenting with her vocal sound. Jack is just me - sometimes on a very bad day. 


I called it..............Takes bow.

Seriously though, thank you Courtenay and thank you York, and thanks to anyone who may have helped in the forming of the questions.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 27 mai 2011 - 06:08 .


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Aww, I love the interview. I cannot imagine liking Jack as much as I do now without her having Miss Taylor's awesome voice. Also, warm feeling knowing that she's Jack-fan as well <3

While I agree, that the belt-bra is not necessarily an outfit Jack would have really chosen, but I think it's the best she could make from her prisoner suit. She wanted to shock guards and other criminals, maybe provoke them. Showing skin was one way to do so.

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#19861
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Thanks York for posting !:D She didnt have to take the time to answer anything, but she did and thats why we love her! Posted Image

#19862
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 After watching the "Subject Zero trailer" originally, her looks didn't register with me whether she was ugly/beautiful or anywhere in between. I was initially put off by her personality, I guess she had a little more edge to her than what I was used too, but it helped that any of the other character trailers failed in endearing me to that character. But I like to think I'm an openminded person so everyone got there chance to win me over, and it was the emotion that exploded out of her, as we flew in and during her loyalty mission that won me, and it helped that IMO the shot of her on in the hover car was the most beautiful image in the game.

 I think it was fate that I somehow avoided being ninjamanced by Miranda, and I'm glad because Jack's "you're weird Shepard....that kinda gets me off" line was for me a better post suicide mission/romance dialogue than anything that could have been, and the perfect ending to my inaugural playthrough.   

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 28 mai 2011 - 12:32 .


#19863
Slurms McKenzie

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YAY!!!! JACK IS AWESOME!!! Incidently, i do have a question, I'm considering splashing out some hard earned cash and getting some microsoft points (way too expensive) and getting some DLC, arrival, Kasumi and overlord in particular (already got lair of the shadow broker). Just wondering if you get any additional Jack dialogue or interactions with her during any of these downloadable contents, or something. Anyway, any replies will be appreciated. Good luck and stay safe.

#19864
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@ Slurms

Character content in the DLC's in none existent, bummer I know.

#19865
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And she was so original looking in the world of games - I loved that she didn't have long hair, thigh boots and huge boobs...although from reading the boards upon her initial release, I was in the minority of thinking she was hot! I couldn't believe people hated her so much before the game even dropped - especially because of her looks. I was happy to see some people changed their minds once they played ME2, but still - note to self: Don't read the boards!

Hot indeed, but alas, isn't it always the mass of narrow-minded bigots who turn sensible people away from the boards. It's amazing that she loves Jack, the only character she voiced that she "totally gets". Pretty incredible info and no doubt a major reason Jack is so convincing.

And I'd rather hang out with people who are a little socially awkward and will tell you the truth of how they feel than someone who's "nice" and tells you what you want to hear.

Love it.

I did, Kalara Tomi.

Unbelievable, I never noticed. And that's the only other character she did? Preposterous!

Ms. Taylor generally seems like a fun-loving down-to-earth badass. Couldn't have asked for a better actress to voice Jack ^_^

I'm thrilled at you Jackolyte's efforts to get in touch with the person that helped bring art into video games, and equally to C.Taylor for reaching out. I didn't think it was possible to like Jack more but here we are.

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I called it..............Takes bow.

That voice is too good to be fake ;)

Also, it seems she only had a problem with the leather strap as the default? As an alternate she didn't mind? Hmm. I agree with ya York that her aversion to discussing her tattoos makes more sense if they're not on display. I had her wear the leather straps nearly the whole game for my benefit, so I could look at them, and that was Bioware's plan with the outfit. I want her wearing even less clothing for that particular benevolence as well :lol:

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 27 mai 2011 - 06:46 .


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@GeneralSlotts

Awww, I'm bitterly dissapointed. Ah well, I'll still end up getting the DLC anyway, regardless of price, I only recently got ME2 and didn't get ME1, I can't believe what i've missed out on! On another note, a thought recently occured to me, I pay for an subscription for xbox live and still have to pay for DLC (I can understand paying for full games or expansion packs), it sucks atleast playstation network is free. Bloody microsoft, shaft you everytime. Anyway, thanks for replying,

Good luck and stay safe

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GeneralSlotts193 wrote...
 After watching the "Subject Zero trailer" originally, her looks didn't register with me whether she was ugly/beautiful or anywhere in between. I was initially put off by her personality, I guess she had a little more edge to her than what I was used too, but it helped that any of the other character trailers failed in endearing me to that character. But I like to think I'm an openminded person so everyone got there chance to win me over, and it was the emotion that exploded out of her, as we flew in and during her loyalty mission that won me, and it helped that IMO the shot of her on in the hover car was the most beautiful image in the game.

I was indifferent initially. Felt like you where she seemed too edgy. I was dumbfounded that Bioware would implement a female character that looked and acted like this, completely out of the norm, knowing people would prolly only hate her. Was she some ploy to make Miranda look better? I couldn't believe it. I thought for sure Miranda was the paragon LI and Jack was the clear renegade LI, not considering for a second that she would turn out this good. She still came off as too strong when I first played the game, and I don't think there even was a catalytic moment but she eventually grew on me. I was definitely slower than most, but I came around :P

@Slurms

The DLC is worth the money imo. I also think $50 a year for Live is worth it just for the knowledge that the network will never get hacked. I understand where you're coming from, tho.

Stay safe and good luck as well ^_^

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@Goat

hahahaha glad to see my quirky little hook is catching on! I always thought it was an appropriate way to end a message of some sort.

Good luck and stay safe

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Slurms McKenzie wrote...
hahahaha glad to see my quirky little hook is catching on! I always thought it was an appropriate way to end a message of some sort.

Good luck and stay safe

The same goodbye for renegades :lol:

Or my personal favorite departing word(s) from Jack

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Idk why I don't have "Whatever" and "Fvck off" archived but I like those farewells, too :D

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@York Thank you for that!

Funny thing too, I was certain that Jack would only work for Renegade players when I first saw that trailer of her. Even in my first playthrough, I went for Miranda with my first Shepard, but slowly grew to love Jack. I was tore between the two hahahaha, but now I can't even go back to Miranda. I still enjoy her character, but it's just not the same.

#19871
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Hmm I'm new to this forum malarky and decided to read some earlier posts, and it came to my attention there is a large consensus that Jack's character and appearance is a very original concept. At the risk of angering some Jack fans (I don't really want to, I like her too, I think she is the ******, for a lack of a better term), she isn't entirely original. Granted, her appearance is, but the themes of her character not so much. The idea of the damaged, crazy, dark badass girl yet simultaneously endearing and oozing vulnerability is not new, especially in sci-fi.
Such a character has always been periodically present in sci-fi. River from Firefly for example, another messed up heroine who was abused and maltreated and ended up becoming a near-psychopathic killing machine, albeit without Jack's shaved head and tats, but the themes are there nevertheless. Indeed, Bioware has had this kind of character before in the form of Morrigan in Dragon Age: Origins, if I recall correctly, although she was never as cool as Jack.
Jack is just a part of a tradition of characters in storytelling, although in that regard Bioware did excel, Jack's story was beautifully told. However, at the risk of discrediting this arguement, nobody's ever had a purely original idea. In my own experience learning and playing the guitar (a bizarre example, but bear with me), this case is evident. For example, many of Slash's guitar licks and riffs are derived from Chuck Berry, Keith Richards and even some country lines. An awful lot of Eddie Van Halen's licks are just those of Eric Clapton's, except played ludicrously faster. What I'm trying to say is that nobody has ever had a purely original idea that wasn't influenced by any outside factor or influences, so in that regard kudos to Bioware for constructing such a beautiful character, and I've just successfully discredited my previous arguement, which begs the question why I've even bothered writing this post. Excuse my ramblings.

Good Luck and stay safe

#19872
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@Slurms

I think everyone here agrees with you, as 99.9% of characters fit into pre-defined archetypes, but as we've just seen via York's post its Miss Taylor that makes the character shine.

Good Luck and Stay Safe

#19873
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Hey, I might be getting carried away with these forum posts, but I thought i should mention this, I was just perusing my alternative rock archive and listened to Jane says by Jane's addiction (haven't heard it in ages!) and one of the verses instantly reminded me of Jack:

(Jane says)
I never been in love
I don't know what it is
She only knows if someone wants her

I want them if they want me
I only know they want me

Doesn't that remind you of Jack? Anyways.....

Good Luck and stay safe

#19874
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Yeah it does. And it pains me to admit this but Sheryl Crow's "I'm a ****" or whatever its actually called, sounds like Jack to me.


I hate the world today
You're so good to me, I know
But I can't change

I tried to tell you but
You look at me like maybe
I'm an angel underneath
Innocent and sweet

Yesterday I cried,
Must have been relieved
to see the softer side

So take me as I am
this may mean you'll
have to be a stronger man

rest assured that when
I start to get you nervous
And I'm going to extremes
Tomorrow I will change
and today won't mean a thing

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I think its cool
You do what you do
And don't try to change me 

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Good Luck and Stay Safe   ------------> I have to admit I'm loving this, you are a genius Slurm.

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@Goat

Awwwwwww, that warms the ****les of my heart, Goat, I rarely get called a genius, in fact I never get called a genius. I've been called many a things, 'Git' and 'Sponge', too name a few, but never a Genius. Thank you Goat. Regarding the comment thingy, I always thought it was important to stay safe, especially after witnessing my brother catch a very nasty yeast infection. Grisly sight, and his trousers always smelt yeasty, stank out the room, made it very difficult to play co-op Halo with him. But alas I digress, thanks for the compliment.

Good Luck and Stay Safe