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[Slurms McKenzie]

You'd be surprised judicial procedures can take a very long time.....6 months to year isn't that farfetched, especially considering the difficulties of trying to organise a trial across interstellar space......it would be a bureacrat's hell.

Anyway, I'd have my money on Jack killing time as a pirate in the interim months. She's born to be a pirate wench! She is called Jack after all!

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[spirosz]

If she was to become a squadmate, what would you guys like to see out of it? Specific mission towards Cerberus, maybe something involving Biotics? Or even, what type of romance scene? Just curious haha

[Labrev]

So if it's 1 year later, then Thane's as good as gone. That puts Jack at 2nd most likely character to return full-time, IMO. #1 being Grunt.

[Goat_Shepard]

Master Shiori wrote...
Admiral Hackett said he's going to try and delay the trial as long as possible. Besides, the evidence against Shepard was supposed to be shaky at best, so no surprise if the Alliance decided not to rush things.

Makes me wonder what Shepard's doing between now and the trial.

If not then she could be chilling out on Omega.

Aww yeaaaah!

yorkj86 wrote...
Jack really doesn't have any connections, to anyone, anywhere, so she really has no place to be, except with Shepard.

[SPOILER]
So how does that fall in line with "everyone doing what they can to win the Reaper war"?  Her place is on the Normandy (for now), but what will she choose to do while Shepard "doesn't know where his squadmates are". How can Shepard not know? Is there a huge time gap in between the Normandy's abduction and the trial that I'm unaware of?

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
So if it's 1 year later, then Thane's as good as gone. That puts Jack at 2nd most likely character to return full-time, IMO. #1 being Grunt.

Thane got a redesign and he's "knocking about somewhere in the galaxy doing something appropriate for his character". Probably temporary, or less. Grunt could easily switch allegience to Urdnot the moment Shepard was brought into court due to his blood rage.

spiros9110 wrote...
If she was to become a squadmate, what would you guys like to see out of it? Specific mission towards Cerberus, maybe something involving Biotics? Or even, what type of romance scene? Just curious haha

Something tells me we'll deal with Cerberus in the first DLC

I honeslty haven't thought of personal missions, or the continued romance. I'm still in ME2-mode. I'll be amazed if Jack or anybody else from the ME2 squad have significant plot relevance. Some characters are a plot device, and others are there for the ride. I think Jack is the latter, but I could be pleasantly surprised.

And Jack will be a squaddie. None of this "if" crap. And the romance scene will be sweaty and pantless and gratuitous and 10x more powerful than the ME2 scene

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 10 juin 2011 - 03:59 .

[spirosz]

@ Goat

lmaoooooooooooo! that dance is making me laugh so hard hahahahahahahahah

[SlottsMachine]

yorkj86 wrote...

[SPOILER]

Cerberus is after Shepard, either because they're indoctrinated, due to being given the base, or because they're out for his blood (for destroying the base?).  Jack should be present, when Shepard goes to put TIM down.  Else, TIM'll just keep throwing abnoxious roadblocks in his way while he deals with the Reapers.

Now, could that be her cameo/whatever right there. Its the only thing that really fits Jack.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 10 juin 2011 - 05:00 .

[Slurms McKenzie]

Hmmm, I find it difficult to believe that all of Cerberus could have been indoctrinated.....I thought they were organised into seperate cells, which would make it difficult to indoctrinate all of them. Even if TIM was indoctrinated, I don't understand why the rest of Cerberus would agree to fight alongside the reapers, I thought they were a bunch of xenophobic space fascists who wanted Humanity to dominate the galaxy. Why would they want to attack Earth? Seems a litle retarded..........unless Bioware unleash some unforeseen plot twist of some sort.

@Goat_Shepard

Loving the dance, by the way!

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[Epantiras]

Speculation: what if Bioware did alternate appearance packs for the characters that will be squadmates in Me3? Which means every LI except Jacob who's replaced by Grunt (implications unpleasing).

And lol'd at the dance GIF XD

[Goat_Shepard]

Slurms McKenzie wrote...

Hmmm, I find it difficult to believe that all of Cerberus could have been indoctrinated....

Damn, good point. We still know so little about indoctrination, I'm still holding out that Miranda and Jacob are out to kill you.

Sundown Native wrote...
Now Miri may or may not be a squadmate, so that's not really a cause for concern. Jacob, however is NOT going to be a squadmate.

How do you know this?

Epantiras wrote...

Speculation: what if Bioware did alternate appearance packs for the characters that will be squadmates in Me3?

Another good point. Except Thane.

Which means every LI except Jacob who's replaced by Grunt (implications unpleasing).

lol

On a separate note, I just recruited Jack early on my Sentinel cuz, well, I'm having a b!tch of a time and need her, and Kasumi made me lol on Purgatory



To contrast:

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 10 juin 2011 - 12:17 .

[SlottsMachine]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Sundown Native wrote...
Now Miri may or may not be a squadmate, so that's not really a cause for concern. Jacob, however is NOT going to be a squadmate.

How do you know this?

Play Station Magazine described Jacob as, "not very popular from what Bioware tells us." But PSM has a hate on for Ashley so I say................

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 10 juin 2011 - 05:26 .

[SlottsMachine]

That same PSM article described Jack as very popular, and there not big on doing there own research it seems, so I'm assuming they got that straight from BioWare. And I believe Jack is much more popular than we give her credit for.

[Slurms McKenzie]

@GeneralSlotts

Bioware likes Jack, you say? This is good news!

I'm still holding out for Jack to return in ME3 with a spanking set of rockin' dreadlocks......gotta see a Dready Jack! 

Perhaps, if I bang on about it for long enough Bioware will take notice! Or think me a rambling madman.....

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[kumquats]

[spoiler]

It would be a shame not to use Jack. She could be the Squadi with the most entertaining partybanters.
If ME3 is as dark as they say, I will need some fun.
And I think Grunt and Jack have the greatest potential for character development. Grunt becoming an adult and Jack in becoming more Renegade or Paragon.

Modifié par kumquats, 10 juin 2011 - 08:38 .

[Badpie]

This has probably been discussed before, but I'm only an occasional lurker here.

But I was thinking. Jack is stunningly gorgeous. She mentioned something in ME2 that suggested (to me) that people had used her for a lot of things, including maybe her good looks. Which made me wonder if Jack had made some conscious effort to "ugly" herself up with tattoos and her haircut and her clothes etc. I mean I think she looks great - I love Jack. But I'm wondering what her motivation was, if any, to "unpretty" herself in the typical sense.

I ask because I'm curious to see how, whatever happened to her in ME2 may have an effect on her look in ME3. Will she have become more accepting of herself as a beautiful person through the friendship or romance she had with Shepard? And if so, would she then allow herself to soften up a a bit?

I wouldn't mind her look changing to a small degree in that way, even though I like her the way she is.

[BobbyTheI]

Badpie wrote...

This has probably been discussed before, but I'm only an occasional lurker here.

But I was thinking. Jack is stunningly gorgeous. She mentioned something in ME2 that suggested (to me) that people had used her for a lot of things, including maybe her good looks. Which made me wonder if Jack had made some conscious effort to "ugly" herself up with tattoos and her haircut and her clothes etc. I mean I think she looks great - I love Jack. But I'm wondering what her motivation was, if any, to "unpretty" herself in the typical sense.

I ask because I'm curious to see how, whatever happened to her in ME2 may have an effect on her look in ME3. Will she have become more accepting of herself as a beautiful person through the friendship or romance she had with Shepard? And if so, would she then allow herself to soften up a a bit?

I wouldn't mind her look changing to a small degree in that way, even though I like her the way she is.

I think I've presented the theory before that everything about Jack is designed to scream "I'm bad news, stay away from me!"  For two reasons really, the one Jack would probably claim to be the case, and the real reason.  In her own mind, I'm sure Jack thinks that all the tattoos, the shaven head, and the attitude are all designed to test people, to say "Yeah, you got a problem with how I look?  Thought so, now get the hell out of here."  People who are superficial enough to expect her to look more feminine, more like a lady, more like the Cheerleader type, are not people she wants in her life.  Her look helps her sort through the phonies and only have to deal with the folks who can look beyond that.

The real reason, though, is that she simply WANTS to drive people away.  She wants people to be put off by her appearance and attitude because she doesn't want anyone to try and truly connect with her.  Every single time she has tried to make a connection with another person, it's gone sour on her.  They've used her and tossed her away.  Even when somebody finally broke through and showed Jack that he genuinely cared about her, he had to go and get himself killed.  Rather than deal with the grief, Jack just retcons her own memories to paint Murtock as "just another user," and withdraws even further into her shell.  Better to make herself look as off-putting as possible than to risk somebody trying to connect with her and just ruining her life further.

You see this real reason for her appearance throughout her romance storyline.  She tries to come off as gruff and unlikable as possible, expecting that plus her appearance to drive away Shepard.  When that doesn't work, she tries to make him into yet another user; he keeps coming back, obviously he just wants sex.  And when that doesn't work, Jack starts to actually get flustered.  She's thrown everything at him, every trick that worked before to drive people away, and yet he still hasn't given up.  She even throws Murtock at him, telling him that in the end, any attempt at a relationship is just going to go sour.  The idea that somebody might actually consider her worth that risk is just stunning to her.

That kinda got away from me in the end there, but this is one of the reasons I like Jack: she's a lot more complex than she appears on the surface.  Anyone who took one glance at her and said, "Yeah, just another cliched tough girl with a secret soft side" is really missing out.

[KawaiiKatie]

Badpie wrote...

But I was thinking. Jack is stunningly gorgeous. She mentioned something in ME2 that suggested (to me) that people had used her for a lot of things, including maybe her good looks. Which made me wonder if Jack had made some conscious effort to "ugly" herself up with tattoos and her haircut and her clothes etc. I mean I think she looks great - I love Jack. But I'm wondering what her motivation was, if any, to "unpretty" herself in the typical sense.

I ask because I'm curious to see how, whatever happened to her in ME2 may have an effect on her look in ME3. Will she have become more accepting of herself as a beautiful person through the friendship or romance she had with Shepard? And if so, would she then allow herself to soften up a a bit?

Yes, I think that making herself less attractive probably figured in to Jack's reasoning as she compiled her look. (I think she's gorgeous, but she's definitely not pretty in the "conventional" sense, not in the way that Miranda is pretty.) There were probably other factors, including Jack's conscious desire to cover her scars, but I do think that Jack is afraid to be pretty.

In my adolescence, I had a very, very beautiful female friend who suffered from constant, unwanted sexual advances. After one of these encounters ended in a very close call (you can imagine what happened) my friend shaved her head entirely. She did everthing short of self-mutilation to make her "ugly," so that the unwanted advances would stop.

Does this apply to Jack? Absolutely.

I remember a lot of men said, "Ugh, I hate bald chicks" when Jack was announced, but I think that's exactly what Jack would want. In Jack's mind, if she dressed like Miranda and had long, wavy hair, she would just be giving people one more reason to take advantage of her. Like my friend, Jack used her looks to push people away.

Jack's new hair and clothing in ME3 could be an excellent way of showing how she's matured, especially if she's starting to allow herself be pretty. I don't think that she needs to start dressing like Miranda to show self-acceptance, but if Jack allows herself to have a softer appearance in ME3, it could really show her character development.

[Badpie]

Thanks guys. Very well said.

[KawaiiKatie]

yorkj86 wrote...

[SPOILER]

According to Ms. Norman, we shouldn't think of squadmates as working the way they did in ME1 and ME2, in terms of "temporary" and "permanent."

...my mind, she is broken.

..............I just want Jack by my side all the time, every time.

EDIT: Also, where is that tidbit of info from? Oh, it's from Twitter. Found it! Thanks.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 11 juin 2011 - 04:03 .

[Goat_Shepard]

Pretty spot on, Bobby, I hold that sentiment. I'll go further and say that Jack's life was significantly worse because she's a woman, and she knows it, so she made herself look like a boy to deter would-be attackers.

York makes a good point about the line shared between art direction and the character's personality. I think the mascara/eyeliner and belt bra was more of an aesthetic choice of the designers than a choice of "Jack's".  Small additions such as Jack's eyeliner, Samara's exposed chest,  Thane's shades, Miranda's cameltoe, make the characters that you may see the entire game more pleasing to the eye. The belt bra is to show off the tattoos: her defining feature and probably Bioware's proudest. The cost of contradiction is subjective (or objective, I forget which). Is it unbelievable that Jack would wear it? Not at all. Is eyeliner the reason Jack is pretty? Nope. That's why I'm okay with the choice (and the one that gives us alternate outfits).

@Sundown

So it's just speculation, okay. You are correct that quantity doesn't always matter concerning a character's return, but that ideal supports Jacob's return in spite of his unpopularity. Unless the people who created Jacob don't like him, which is a bewildering thought.

yorkj86 wrote...

[SPOILER]
According to Ms. Norman, we shouldn't think of squadmates as working the way they did in ME1 and ME2, in terms of "temporary" and "permanent."

So far the terms have been "recruit character as a permanent squadmember until the mission is done" so if that's not how it works in ME3, then they're all temporary.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 11 juin 2011 - 04:51 .