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[Epantiras]

Goat_Shepard wrote...
Or, even funnier, she actually goes down there and talks to Jack, and Jack, who we know hates psychologists and Cerberus, does some trolling like "hey baby, welcome to my hidey hole, take off your shirt make yourself comfortable" and Kelly's like "I should go" and everyone on the sub-deck can hear Jack's bellowing laughter as Kelly sprints towards starboard engineering to find comfort in Zaeed's arms

Laughing out loud

Kelly likes everyone and everything except Jack. I remember her saying that Jack scares the hell out of her.

[Goat_Shepard]

BobbyTheI wrote...
Well, to be fair to Kelly, I'm sure that Jack, being through the correctional system as much as she had, probably had a dozen prison psychiatrists try to get in her head, and I imagine it would be trivial for Cerberus to get their hands on their notes for Kelly to look at before Jack was even on the ship.  I think Jack even has a line somewhere about "don't try that prison psych stuff on me."

Here's the line, although I'm just taking the opportunity to post that face

Those prison psychs and Kelly obviously didn't try very hard. "Oh she's powerful, standoff-ish, short tempered, and has questionable motivations? Thank you so much that useful information!"

Although that goes back to one of the biggest plotholes in the whole Jack storyline: so Cerberus finds about this dangerous, highly powerful biotic criminal, and after extensive research into Jack's background decides that it's just the kind of person that Shepard could use on this highly dangerous suicide mission, and never thinks to mention, "Oh, and by the way, it's a woman" before Shepard goes to pick her up.

I think TIM might have glossed over that tidbit when he noticed Jack's criminal record

I don't think it's a plot hole, just the way Cerberus does things. TIM knew nothing about Archangel but hey, convince him to join you! You recruited a tank-bred krogan cuz Okeer is dead? Sure why not? You activated a geth on the Normandy? Alrighty then!

Or else, I've got this image in my head of the Illusive Man selecting candidates:
*snip*

lol really. Non-discriminative, totally ambitious. I think it said "Rumored to be the most powerful human biotic". "Currently held in custody". "History of violence". With words like "most powerful" and "human" in the same sentence, nothing else really matters.

Epantiras wrote...
Kelly likes everyone and everything except Jack. I remember her saying that Jack scares the hell out of her.

I don't remember that, or do you mean that "Please tell me if you do ****** her off, I want a chance to hide"? That was good. I'm usually condescending at that part with "It's okaay Kelly, Jack's a big girl, she'll be fine" and imagine patting her on the head.

And Joker isn't going to say anything about Jack, he's not stupid. Except he already did say something about Jack after you recruit her, "be careful with that last one, we can only hold so much crazy", but now he won't say anything. Hmmmm, curious. Me thinks Jack quickly made an impression on Joker, maybe demonstrating why a kid with glass bones talking sh!t about someone like Jack is, indeed, a stupid thing to do

[SlottsMachine]

Where does Shepard's sleazy "don't worry I'll protect you" line come from when talking with Kelly, is that in regards to Jack?

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 12 juin 2011 - 06:19 .

[Epantiras]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

Where does Shepard's sleazy "don't worry I'll protect you" line come from when talking with Kelly, is that in regards to Jack?

Uhmmm I don't remember that either. Could it be from Kelly's "romance path"?

[KawaiiKatie]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

Where does Shepard's sleazy "don't worry I'll protect you" line come from when talking with Kelly, is that in regards to Jack?

No, that came from... Grunt's, I think. And it is from Shepard's romance path. Shepard says, "Don't worry, I won't let him touch you," and Kelly replies, "If there's any touching being done, you'd better be involed."

When Jack shows up, Kelly and Shepard only talk about Jack. I don't think there's an option for Shepard to flirt with her at all during Jack's conversation. I guess the topic just doesn't do much for Kelly.

[Krimson_Wolf]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

@Slotts

Excellent theory. The only thing is that most or all your squad might be dead, so any plot device to split the squad in half like these "missions" would have to be uniform, able to be completed by anyone (or noone, depending on how many are alive). Or something like the "hold the line" section of the SM, except during a Reaper invasion where it'd be incredibly tacky.

@Slurms

That depends on why Shepard is heartbroken.

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Shepard: You don't think that's overkill?

Jack: Bitch said jeans went out of style 150 years ago!

Question: How did you get Jack to use the Cain? 

[SlottsMachine]

Thanks Katie, I had no clue where that quote was from.

[Epantiras]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
No, that came from... Grunt's, I think. And it is from Shepard's romance path. Shepard says, "Don't worry, I won't let him touch you," and Kelly replies, "If there's any touching being done, you'd better be involed."

"Ah yes, subtlety..."

Sorry, I could not resist XD

[Slurms McKenzie]

@Epantiras

Hehe, loving that little turian icon thingy, its awesome!

@Goat

Cool pics, you've out-done yourself again. Also, regarding your query, thought Shep would be a bit messed up after a few crew-mates have died in suicide mission, hence why he has turned to drink.

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[KawaiiKatie]

Epantiras wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...
No, that came from... Grunt's, I think. And it is from Shepard's romance path. Shepard says, "Don't worry, I won't let him touch you," and Kelly replies, "If there's any touching being done, you'd better be involed."

"Ah yes, subtlety..."

Sorry, I could not resist XD

Yeeeeah...



Shepard's idea of romance can be outright clumsy and smothered in awkwardsauce.

....and it appears the be contagious. This one has always been one of my favourites, and I can only assume that it's because Jack fell pray to Shepard's.... "subtlety."

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 12 juin 2011 - 10:53 .

[VoidCabbage]

Hey guys...So like reading some threads in the ME3 section, and occasionally I hear Jack refered to as "Bad Writing" or "a Stereotype" (to be fair I've heard this of every single character in the game which is wacky but whatever)

What stereotype is this? am I missing something?

[KawaiiKatie]

VoidCabbage wrote...

Hey guys...So like reading some threads in the ME3 section, and occasionally I hear Jack refered to as "Bad Writing" or "a Stereotype" (to be fair I've heard this of every single character in the game which is wacky but whatever)

What stereotype is this? am I missing something?

....I have no freaking idea.

A lot of people take Jack at face-value and dismiss her, a fact that Casey Hudson has recognized and publicly lamented. He once said:

Question: Of the party members, who worked best and who worked least well?

Casey Hudson: For me it was one that a lot of people say they didn't like, which is Jack. And for a reason that is opposite from what a lot of people say about her. A lot of people want to think the worst and they'll say, 'Oh she's a marketing gimmick'. For me she is totally the opposite. I think she was one of the most authentic characters. I know people liked her. She has her guard up, and the reason she has her guard up is because on the inside she is afraid. If you ever get to that soft inside, she's revealed something sensitive to you that you don't want to hurt. It's an interesting dynamic that I think comes across in a really authentic way if you're open to that being a real character.

I knpow that this is going to sound rather "hipster" of me (please, hold your Hipster Jacks and Herald the Hipster Reaper) but I believe that a lot of people who dismiss Jack as "bad writing" simply do not understand her. Again, a lot of people take her at face-value and leave it at that. I know that I had doubts before ME2 was released, and all we saw of her was a trailer and some screen-shots.... but thank goodness I took the time to actually get to know her in-game, because she quickly became my favourite character in the Mass Effect series. Jack is complex, interesting, and wonderfully writen.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 13 juin 2011 - 02:23 .

[axl99]

There were some missed opportunities with Jack, but otherwise she's proven to stand out against other LIs because of the material the writers had to work with.

Frankly lots of people missed out on that, which is kinda sad because the devs really wanted people to like Jack for breaking a few stereotypes here and there. Us on the other hand, we got to see the payoff by sticking to our guns to the very end. Jack more or less makes us work for her trust and her affection in pushing us away and setting up warning signs every chance she gets.

It's not hipster to like Jack really, it just shows how much we're willing to take our time and see past face value - that we're willing to empathize.

Plenty of my artist buddies love Jack as a character and as a visual design. If you line her up with plenty of other female videogame characters, she'll stick out like a giraffe in a field of zebras.

I find Jack's got a huge sleeping fanbase, more and more people are starting to warm up to her. That's a wonderful thing in and of itself.

[spirosz]

axl99 wrote...

There were some missed opportunities with Jack, but otherwise she's proven to stand out against other LIs because of the material the writers had to work with.

Frankly lots of people missed out on that, which is kinda sad because the devs really wanted people to like Jack for breaking a few stereotypes here and there. Us on the other hand, we got to see the payoff by sticking to our guns to the very end. Jack more or less makes us work for her trust and her affection in pushing us away and setting up warning signs every chance she gets.

It's not hipster to like Jack really, it just shows how much we're willing to take our time and see past face value - that we're willing to empathize.

Plenty of my artist buddies love Jack as a character and as a visual design. If you line her up with plenty of other female videogame characters, she'll stick out like a giraffe in a field of zebras.

I find Jack's got a huge sleeping fanbase, more and more people are starting to warm up to her. That's a wonderful thing in and of itself.

Couldn't agree more, especially the huge sleeping fanbase - so true

[axl99]

OH HEY! Found the guy who worked on the cyro cell Jack was detained in.

Modifié par axl99, 13 juin 2011 - 04:44 .

[Epantiras]

axl99 wrote...
I find Jack's got a huge sleeping fanbase, more and more people are starting to warm up to her. That's a wonderful thing in and of itself.

As time passes, most haters move on to troll other fanbases so that only true fans remain. I was surprised to see that the latest anti-Jack thread was received with dozens of "gtfo u troll" instead of "yeah Jack sucks" kinda replies. That warms my heart :-)

And btw thanks for the link Axl99 I'm checking his whole gallery, it's full of ME2 awesome. I hope some of them will slip into the super-duper artbook of the ME3 collector's edition (oh snap! 90 Euros...).

[Ninjapino]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

A lot of people take Jack at face-value and dismiss her, a fact that Casey Hudson has recognized and publicly lamented.

In all honesty, this is exactly why I love Jack and think she's a perfect example of GREAT writing.  This is proof that you get the exact feel of Jack as who she really is.  Someone like Miranda will take Jack at face-value, never get to know her, and believe what they see is what they get.  The exact same thing happens to people playing the game.  They see a violent, punk-rock stereotype and think that's all she is.  But, we know know better because we took time to get to know her and realize her full potentenial.  Because we're awesome like that. 

[CroGamer002]

Everyone that hates Jack has a death wish.

[Epantiras]

The Mass Effect 3 Character and Romance Discussion section of the forums has been created.
Who's gonna open a Jack thread there? And whoever does it, please keep the OP clean! I don't like OPs with 155 fan arts that take ages to load and that screw the formatting of the forum.
/rant

Modifié par Epantiras, 13 juin 2011 - 05:19 .

[Slurms McKenzie]

@Epantiras

Hmm, I don't know how to start new threads...............I'm technologically illiterate, you see.

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[Epantiras]

Just click "start new topic". And before someone asks: no, I'm not going to be the one to open the topic. I suck at writing.

[Slurms McKenzie]

@Epantiras

Thank you, perhaps I shall start a new thread, or perhaps not. Better the enigma.

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[Slurms McKenzie]

Hey guys, I recently made a new thread for Jack in the new romance discussion forums! Check it out, but don't abandon this thread either!

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[Epantiras]

I approve :-)
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/7625590

Modifié par Epantiras, 13 juin 2011 - 05:37 .