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[adriano_c]

...and a last one for the evening...Jack, looking somewhat subdued!

[Occams Razor 17]

adriano_c wrote...

Occams Razor 17 wrote...
Check this thread out: http://social.biowar.../9/index/994591  It explains how to do a lot of things on the forums.

Much obliged!
-edit.
*cropped screenshot*
I'm just as surprised that I've gotten this down pat.

Glad I could help.  Nice screenshots!

[Mondo47]

I think that while we can sit back here and show we all know hallmarks of psychopathic behaviour, we might be on one hand over-estimating the Average Joe sitting in front og a PC/console, and also underestimating Bioware. To simply brand someone a psychopath because they've killed a few people, happen to be banged up in a supermax prison, run into battle half-naked... well, it's easy to do that, isn't it? It doesn't take any imagination, and it means you're just accepting at face value what you've been shown.

On the other hand, Bioware obviously must understand the misuse of the term insofar as Jack. She's not just there to be another loose cannon next to a Renegade-Shep; we all know how she comes to us before the Omega 4 journey. Jack is certainly troubled, definately misguided at times, broken and hurt inside this cage of false bravado and stonefaced emotion. She's not a cold, emotionless killer, but a victim of her own past. Ta-dah - the present we thought was one thing after shaking it turned out to be another.

Calling her one thing, when she's blatantly another, is probably just Bioware taking the clearest, simplest path to making us expect one thing of a character while setting us up for a potential surprise when the character turns out to be not what we initially thought. It's a bait-and-switch. Granted, it's one that only works if you bother to find out who Jack really is, but hey, let the people that can't be bothered to read the middle of the book and just want to skip to the end never find out. That means she stays the secret little treasure tucked in the bottom of the chest only the observant get as a reward. If you can't be patient, hey, the girl with the bucket on her head is raring to go

I think Bioware has known all along the more I think about it. It's clever, though perhaps a little too clever for some folk. Hey, pat outselves on the back, guys - we all passed the IQ test

[The Questioning Motive]

I love Jack. With all my heart. Even when she was so angry and cursed at me. I knew something had to come from this. And it did. I saw what was behind that toughened exterior. She is indeed beautiful when you look at her despite her tattoos, but even then if you just kept on, she felt something for you. She was a girl who needed love and comfort, but instead was used. I'm glad I had her as my first romance when I started Mass Effect 2. I truly am.

[Loki330]

Jackal904 wrote...

If this 8 year old girl is Jack then ya, scientists from the Teltin facility must have joined the Ascension program before it officially started. I doubt BioWare would let players have sex with a 17 year old . It would be nice if someone could find the original conversation in the game where Jack tells Zaeed he looks familiar. I forget who found the sound files of this conversation, but they weren't exactly sure of the order of the lines.

Just to point out-in alot of countries 18 is considered quite a high age of consent. In most europeon countries for example, it's 16.

Not saying you're wrong; considering the s**tstorm that happened because of some sideboob, I'd personally be (pleasently) surprised if they did something as bold as making her 'jailbait' for the large american market. It's very clear Jack has seen more of life in her how-ever-many-years than many other people will see in their life, within the ME universe.

Modifié par Loki330, 19 mars 2010 - 11:16 .

[Jackal904]

Mondo47 wrote...

I think that while we can sit back here and show we all know hallmarks of psychopathic behaviour, we might be on one hand over-estimating the Average Joe sitting in front og a PC/console, and also underestimating Bioware. To simply brand someone a psychopath because they've killed a few people, happen to be banged up in a supermax prison, run into battle half-naked... well, it's easy to do that, isn't it? It doesn't take any imagination, and it means you're just accepting at face value what you've been shown.

On the other hand, Bioware obviously must understand the misuse of the term insofar as Jack. She's not just there to be another loose cannon next to a Renegade-Shep; we all know how she comes to us before the Omega 4 journey. Jack is certainly troubled, definately misguided at times, broken and hurt inside this cage of false bravado and stonefaced emotion. She's not a cold, emotionless killer, but a victim of her own past. Ta-dah - the present we thought was one thing after shaking it turned out to be another.

Calling her one thing, when she's blatantly another, is probably just Bioware taking the clearest, simplest path to making us expect one thing of a character while setting us up for a potential surprise when the character turns out to be not what we initially thought. It's a bait-and-switch. Granted, it's one that only works if you bother to find out who Jack really is, but hey, let the people that can't be bothered to read the middle of the book and just want to skip to the end never find out. That means she stays the secret little treasure tucked in the bottom of the chest only the observant get as a reward. If you can't be patient, hey, the girl with the bucket on her head is raring to go

I think Bioware has known all along the more I think about it. It's clever, though perhaps a little too clever for some folk. Hey, pat outselves on the back, guys - we all passed the IQ test

Ya good point. Oh BioWare, you so clever. I'm not guna lie and say it didn't work. I went into ME2 thinking she was some crazy violent psycho. And I was really surprised when I found out she was only violent . It makes the moments where she shows emotion much more emotional, since you know she's supposed to be this tough crazy chick. Well done BioWare.

The Questioning Motive wrote...

I love Jack. With all my heart. Even when she was so angry and cursed at me. I knew something had to come from this. And it did. I saw what was behind that toughened exterior. She is indeed beautiful when you look at her despite her tattoos, but even then if you just kept on, she felt something for you. She was a girl who needed love and comfort, but instead was used. I'm glad I had her as my first romance when I started Mass Effect 2. I truly am.

I also chose her as my LI in my first ME2 playthrough. I think a lot of people who have romanced Jack have done it after having romanced other squadmates. They're like, "Well I haven't romanced Jack yet, I wonder what that'll be like." And then they realize what they've been missing.


@Adriano

Nice screenshots. Keep'm comen .

Modifié par Jackal904, 19 mars 2010 - 01:09 .

[Mondo47]

Just thought I'd pop this in here... the often snarky and occasioanlly just plain expecting-too-much-from-a-product Shamus over at Twenty Sided has some things to say about Jack.

Normally I think the guy comes off as a bit of a pseudo-intellectual nethack (and he gets name-dropped a lot by other pseudo-intellectual nethacks, much like Yahtzee does), but today I just want to give him a hug

[Ilzairspar]

Loki330 wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

If this 8 year old girl is Jack then ya, scientists from the Teltin facility must have joined the Ascension program before it officially started. I doubt BioWare would let players have sex with a 17 year old . It would be nice if someone could find the original conversation in the game where Jack tells Zaeed he looks familiar. I forget who found the sound files of this conversation, but they weren't exactly sure of the order of the lines.

Just to point out-in alot of countries 18 is considered quite a high age of consent. In most europeon countries for example, it's 16.

Not saying you're wrong; considering the s**tstorm that happened because of some sideboob, I'd personally be (pleasently) surprised if they did something as bold as making her 'jailbait' for the large american market. It's very clear Jack has seen more of life in her how-ever-many-years than many other people will see in their life, within the ME universe.

Considering she probably hasn't told us all the stuff she's been though, plus adding time with the cult, time with some of those other gangs/groups she trusted and turned on her, time in prison.  I'd say that was more than 9 years.

That and I stand on the platform of no JRPG characters in Mass Effect.  The closest we get is Tali

[MHRazer]

Jackal904 wrote...
Ya good point. Oh BioWare, you so clever. I'm not guna lie and say it didn't work. I went into ME2 thinking she was some crazy violent psycho. And I was really surprised when I found out she was only violent . It makes the moments where she shows emotion much more emotional, since you know she's supposed to be this tough crazy chick. Well done BioWare.

I think this is a large part of the reason why I started liking Jack in the first place. I never played ME1 since it didn't originally release for PC, so i didn't follow the development of ME2. I came into the game knowing nothing about the squadmates, so from the dossier I just assumed Jack was some angry prison dude similar to Zaeed who I wouldn't like very much. I actually recruited her very late since I assumed I wouldn't like a prison guy. 

So (much like Shepard - "That's Jack?!?") I was very surprised to see what Jack looked like coming out of cryo (female, for one). Then even more surprised to start talking to her and learn her personality. It was good :happy:

Modifié par MHRazer, 19 mars 2010 - 04:26 .

[Azorgamer]

She's a cool character. And all the garbage she's been through and she's survived just makes her awesome. I liked that you could break down her barriers - it showed there was a human side under all those layers of utter toughness. But even after she's let her personal guard down she's still the toughest squadmate on your ship - very cool.

[Mkrgross]

Azorgamer wrote...

She's a cool character. And all the garbage she's been through and she's survived just makes her awesome. I liked that you could break down her barriers - it showed there was a human side under all those layers of utter toughness. But even after she's let her personal guard down she's still the toughest squadmate on your ship - very cool.

All the squadmates are pretty tough, and most seem to get tougher as the story grows, with the exception to Miranda and Jacob. They get a bit wussified. Don't get me wrong I like Miranda, Jacob not so much, but watching the story unfold, these two just seem to lose their "toughness."

Even though you breakdown Jack's walls to a certain extent, she is still really tough, and I do not see that changing in the future, (at least it better not).

Modifié par Mkrgross, 19 mars 2010 - 04:57 .

[Firmijn]

Mkrgross wrote...

Azorgamer wrote...

She's a cool character. And all the garbage she's been through and she's survived just makes her awesome. I liked that you could break down her barriers - it showed there was a human side under all those layers of utter toughness. But even after she's let her personal guard down she's still the toughest squadmate on your ship - very cool.

All the squadmates are pretty tough, and most seem to get tougher as the story grows, with the exception to Miranda and Jacob. They get a bit wussified. Don't get me wrong I like Miranda, Jacob not so much, but watching the story unfold, these two just seem to lose their "toughness."

Even though you breakdown Jack's walls to a certain extent, she is still really tough, and I do not see that changing in the future, (at least it better not).

"How would you like your Jack? Medium, rare, or..."

"We prefer our Jack tough please, thanks"^_^

[Mondo47]

Firmijn wrote...

Mkrgross wrote...

Azorgamer wrote...

She's a cool character. And all the garbage she's been through and she's survived just makes her awesome. I liked that you could break down her barriers - it showed there was a human side under all those layers of utter toughness. But even after she's let her personal guard down she's still the toughest squadmate on your ship - very cool.

All the squadmates are pretty tough, and most seem to get tougher as the story grows, with the exception to Miranda and Jacob. They get a bit wussified. Don't get me wrong I like Miranda, Jacob not so much, but watching the story unfold, these two just seem to lose their "toughness."

Even though you breakdown Jack's walls to a certain extent, she is still really tough, and I do not see that changing in the future, (at least it better not).

"How would you like your Jack? Medium, rare, or..."

"We prefer our Jack tough please, thanks"^_^

Guess that means we like her raw then

Seriously though, have you tried eating a raw steak? Thought I was going to lose a tooth...

[axl99]

Now that some of us went and developed a relationship with Jack, what do you see her being able to do for Shepard aside from blowing stuff up?



I found myself smirking when Jack addressed Shepard by his title of Commander when I had her on biotic field during the last mission. In my head I was like "Oh hey, formality? From Jack? PROGRESS!"

[Mkrgross]

The thing I would like to see from future Jack's personality, is her toughness being intact. Mainly, Jack needs to still be the tough as nails, badass b****, and foul mouthed with everyone she meets, character,  but with Shepard she shows a little bit of her soft side, just a little. Still curses and in your face honest with everyone including Shepard. I know we talked about this before, but I will be very disappointed if Jack starts getting all cute and sympathic. I kind of see her enteracting with the crew the way she does with Miranda in the little confrontation. She has a no tolerance policy on, well, everything, and you get one chance with her as opposed to no chance before. I want to see growth just not too much, she still is a very broken girl.

[Mondo47]

axl99 wrote...

Now that some of us went and developed a relationship with Jack, what do you see her being able to do for Shepard aside from blowing stuff up?

Aside from breaking his possessions and making him very tired?

Joking aside, I think it'll be more interesting to see what Shepard does for Jack. As part of a relationship she's going to be a tempestuous thing; a lot of things Shepard might have taken for granted with say Tali will not wash with Jack, simply because of mixed signals, confusion, previous history, etc. She'll be difficult, and the whole thing might regularly swing between break-up and make-up. It's almost as though he found a lover and got an unruly child in the package at the same time. It would not be an easy relationship, but I'd like to think Shep is man enough to see where it goes. I think the key part here will be in how they develop together. I think there's potential for the relationship to have some serious depth if it's handled right, and for it not to be just some other cliched romance, one that has some realism to it as opposed to lightweight, rose-tinted spectacles. I will be waiting patiently, Bioware... do it some justice.

And come on, everyone knows bad girls are sensational in bed... it's traditional. Or it's an old writ or a charter or something...

[Booglarize]

Mondo47 wrote...

Just thought I'd pop this in here... the often snarky and occasioanlly just plain expecting-too-much-from-a-product Shamus over at Twenty Sided has some things to say about Jack.

Normally I think the guy comes off as a bit of a pseudo-intellectual nethack (and he gets name-dropped a lot by other pseudo-intellectual nethacks, much like Yahtzee does), but today I just want to give him a hug

That was actually really good. Though my favourite bit from it wasn't so much about Jack per se:

"Jack was a victim of (who else) Cerberus. She was raised in one of their distant, clandestine, well-supplied, well-staffed, and completely unprofitable labs which the paranoid spies at Cerberus somehow funded without knowing what they were doing. Or something. Like everything to do with Cerberus, it doesn’t really survive scrutiny and you’re just supposed to roleplay Shepard as a dunce who doesn’t ask about or even notice little details like this."

That really summed up the frustration I felt throughout this game.  I mean, I already knew from ME1 that Shepard isn't exactly the sharpest omni-tool in the shed, but ME2 really hit a new low. 

[Booglarize]

Mondo47 wrote...

And come on, everyone knows bad girls are sensational in bed... it's traditional. Or it's an old writ or a charter or something...

Indeed, I'm fairly certain that was one of the clauses in the Magna Carta. 

[Mondo47]

Scientific proof of Hari's 1st Law:



A Bad Girl can be amoral, unkind, vicious, downright evil even, and yet
every single man, woman, adolescent, dog, cat, snake, crocodile,
killer bee swarm, fish (especially sharks) and alien/supernatural entity
that claps eyes on her will want to do her laundry, polish her boots,
fetch her dinner, buy her jewels, share their most trusted secrets,
be her willing slave and/or sell their immortal soul just to see her smile.

(glasses optional - but can help)

[royceclemens]

Jack wins. Jack isn't played by Sienna Miller.

[Mondo47]

royceclemens wrote...

Jack wins. Jack isn't played by Sienna Miller.

Neither's Anastasia. The movie doth not exist in my mind. Can't tell me otherwise. LALALALALALALALALALA NOT LISTENING

There's only one live-action Baroness - Olivia Wilde. Boy can that girl play the clarinet...

And Henry Rollins as Duke! And Vinnie Jones as Destro! No wonder that movie was pathetic... it was out-cooled by a spoof.

Modifié par Mondo47, 19 mars 2010 - 07:30 .

[Noilly Prat]

The more I think about it, the more I don't really mind the "Psychopath" label for Jack.

I didn't care for the prerelease marketing stuff in general, but I did suspect that BioWare had somewhere to go with this whole Subject Zero thing (and Grunt too, for that matter).  Mostly just because I didn't want to accept that BioWare had fallen so low as to put over-the-top badasses with no redeeming qualities as characters into their games.  As I had guessed, I was right about that.

Still, I much prefer a little predictability than having lame non-characters as squadmates and romances.

I think that the "Psychopath" label makes for an appropriate enough introduction to Jack for new players, as it tells us pretty much what everyone tells Shepard about her before they meet for the first time.  That silly marketing campaign, for all its faults, ensured that those of us who were paying attention to it knew more or less as much about Jack going into the thing as Shepard did, including the misconceptions and false assumptions.  (Excepting that Shepard didn't know Jack was a woman.)

Modifié par Noilly Prat, 19 mars 2010 - 07:25 .

[Mkrgross]

Mondo47 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

Jack wins. Jack isn't played by Sienna Miller.

Neither's Anastasia. The movie doth not exist in my mind. Can't tell me otherwise. LALALALALALALALALALA NOT LISTENING

Yep, have not seen and will not, same as the so-called Wolverine movie.

[Ilzairspar]

Mondo47 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

Jack wins. Jack isn't played by Sienna Miller.

Neither's Anastasia. The movie doth not exist in my mind. Can't tell me otherwise. LALALALALALALALALALA NOT LISTENING

I gave it a chance.....that is 2 hours I will never get back again.

[Ilzairspar]

Mkrgross wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

Jack wins. Jack isn't played by Sienna Miller.

Neither's Anastasia. The movie doth not exist in my mind. Can't tell me otherwise. LALALALALALALALALALA NOT LISTENING

Yep, have not seen and will not, same as the so-called Wolverine movie.

Watching the Wolverine movie is good only if you want to see Hugh Jackman's performance....It turned something that was worse than the GI Joe film into slightly more tolerable...but even he could not save that movie.