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[Jassper]

I can't believe he is supposed to be the main tank. Alistair drops in battle faster than a hot potato. It is still early in my game, so hopefully I can find better armor for him some where, before the game runs out of heal potions.

The Circle tower was the worst - he died at least once on every level going up, the Ogre at the top would take him out in one blow - each time. It took me 3 tries to defeat the Ogre, first time was just a F-uped mess, second time I almost had him, 3rd times a charm. But Alistair just got whipped out right off the bat each time.

[AdamTaylor]

Depends on what you equip him with.



I've got him in the armor from Warden's Keep. Looks pretty kickass.

With a sword and shield, he does quite well.



The shield skills are great. Either a big smack of damage, or a knockback. Both are useful.

[ryolingz88]

Its at the start, you can't expect much from him. Once you get to high levels and invest in more of his shield skills, he will become a pretty good tank. Also this is where party tactics come in, micro manage your party...keep heals on the tank and potting when necessary. If you have stun/freeze then even better.. use them to your advantage. If the ogre does that grab thing...freeze him or stun the ogre will drop him.



and lastly, i think you meant Tower of ishal..not circle tower.

[Lord Lemartius Marcelios Andreas]

It gets better. I had the same problem, but once you get up his 'Shield' abilities, some plate armor, and have some more pots handy ..



Well, not so much of a problem really.. and even if you can't make him a better tank.



Flesh shield!

[Wissenschaft]

did you boost his CON? Get at least 20 CON for him if you want him to tank. Maybe even more, you need lots of CON to tank. Make sure you have Shield Defense taltent activated.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

The first few hours all your chars will be extremely weak because of bad gear. When 1 strong mob or 2-3 weak mobs targets one of your chars, regardless of it being a mage or "tank" it will die FAST.

[Jassper]

This character has just compleated the big fight where the King gets killed. So hopefully It gets better.



Last night I started a second PC with the city elf (female) origin and has just gone into the wilds. Had the same issue with Alistair getting his ars kicked.



He still hasn't leveld with either PC - So something might be wrong there. I take that back, I think he leveled once with my first PC, but not yet with my second.



I'll check his tactics again - I also set him up to drink a heal potion if he gets under 25%, but he seems to ignore that and I must manually do it.



I am betting that the combat is set up to take out the Grey Wardens first as I noticed in the wilds the Darkspawn seemd to focus on him and the other 2 wannabies hardly got hurt so that may be why he dies so quickly as well.

[Thokor]

Once you get the armor from Wardens Keep and Shield Wall he is a monster.

[BW_Lee]

At the beginning of the game he will not be the tankiest tank.

Get him better armor as soon as possible, always equip a shield, and use sword/board skills in the skill tree that increase his defense. Up his dexterity and constitution to make him better at dodging and have more health and resilience.

Use the Warrior ability "Threaten" to pull aggro back to him once he is powerful enough to stand up to enemy focus-fire. This way, you only have to focus on healing one character.

[Jacks-Up]

Jassper wrote...

I can't believe he is supposed to be the main tank. Alistair drops in battle faster than a hot potato. It is still early in my game, so hopefully I can find better armor for him some where, before the game runs out of heal potions.

The Circle tower was the worst - he died at least once on every level going up, the Ogre at the top would take him out in one blow - each time. It took me 3 tries to defeat the Ogre, first time was just a F-uped mess, second time I almost had him, 3rd times a charm. But Alistair just got whipped out right off the bat each time.

I found early in the game that that dog was the best tank.

[sig570]

i found out that allister gets better about 3/4ths through your first main quest after you leave tha border town where you get sten. plus i am starting to learn how to use the tactics a little better without micro managing.

[Krenmu]

If I had to put my stock in a tank..Shale hands down, But Alistair is pretty good in his own right, you just have to keep him equipped with top of the line gear.

[velmyn]

Alistair will ultimately make the better tank if you gear him out properly and micro-manage him well...

But, Shale is just so much easier to keep aggro with, and you don't have to lift a finger for her to do so. (default defensive AI, aggressive works fantastic) It also allows you to focus all the sweet gear to your main character.

Modifié par velmyn, 27 novembre 2009 - 07:31 .

[ckriley]

BW_Lee wrote...

At the beginning of the game he will not be the tankiest tank.

Get him better armor as soon as possible, always equip a shield, and use sword/board skills in the skill tree that increase his defense. Up his dexterity and constitution to make him better at dodging and have more health and resilience.

Use the Warrior ability "Threaten" to pull aggro back to him once he is powerful enough to stand up to enemy focus-fire. This way, you only have to focus on healing one character.

I actually had the same issues with Alistair as the OP, and I actually beat the game.  Alistair does indeed get stronger with better gear and talents, but he was HORRIBLE at keeping aggro, even with threaten and taunt.  He was a real gimped tank. Sorry.  My arcane warrior was much, much better.  The only thing I think I did wrong was put most of his points into strength instead of dex and con because I stupidly took the advice of all the people on here, who told me to max out his strength so he could equip better armor.


In short, don't listen to people on the forums.

Modifié par ckriley, 27 novembre 2009 - 07:38 .

[Avaraen]

Jassper wrote...

I'll check his tactics again - I also set him up to drink a heal potion if he gets under 25%, but he seems to ignore that and I must manually do it.

From what I've been able to tell, if any instruction in the tactics screen is put lower than the "attack" instruction, the NPC will never execute the lower instruction. Example:

1 - Self, Any: activate Shield Wall
2 - Enemy, lowest health: attack
3 - Self, Health < 25%: use health poultice

In that situation, the health poultice will never execute because the attack instruction takes priority. Reverse the positioning so attack is at the bottom and you should get the results you want.

I also found Alistair to be rather squishy compared to a PC tank, but much of that are his default stat and ability allocations, which aren't necessarily ideal for the early game (it balances out in the long run). Get him Shield Tactics as soon as possible, it's a huge boost to his durability. And, of course, try to pull mobs to you, and use corners to force archers to run in - splitting up a pack of mobs is the best thing for group survivability.

[Naturalus]

Jacks-Up wrote...

I found early in the game that that dog was the best tank.

Yeah dog is better tank than early in the game than Allistar as dog have more hp than Allistar guy but later in the game dogs turn out to be pretty weak. It is also huge nuicance that dog need his own special healing snacks and cant use potions like rest of the party.

Modifié par Naturalus, 27 novembre 2009 - 07:47 .

[Nooneyouknow13]

Naturalus wrote...

Jacks-Up wrote...

I found early in the game that that dog was the best tank.

Yeah dog is better tank than early in the game than Allistar as dog have more hp than Allistar guy but later in the game dogs turn out to be pretty weak. It is also huge nuicance that dog need his own special healing snacks and cant use potions like rest of the party.

The dog biscuits are a bonus, not a penalty.  He can use poultices just fine, and the dog biscuits are the only stamina potions in the game. Unless you like eating massives amounts of shrooms mid combat.

Modifié par Nooneyouknow13, 27 novembre 2009 - 07:51 .

[Ulrik the Slayer]

Shale is the best tank, early game. By far. The reason why Alistair feels weak is because a humanoid tank needs a lot of stuff in order to work; equipment, talents and stats. At the start of the game you can't have many of the defensive shield talents, the taunting talents or the massive armour needed to tank. You also won't have much health because you need to boost up Str for equipping armour, and Dex for the shield talents.



Now Shale, she comes with most of that right off the bat! Being a golem, she is very tough. She got a lot of Physical resistance and Armour by default, and her crystals gives her a nice boost to whatever Elemental resistance you wish. She can also do fine tanking without and shield talents, so all you need is to boost her Con right away which gives her tons of health. She also have a nice convenient tanking line of talents which you can max much faster than all the talents required for a humanoid tank.



TL,DR - get Shale as soon as possible and play the game with her as main tank, until your humanoid tank has the gear/talents to tank effectively.

[Yorenec]

Saying Alistair is a bad tank means one of two things. Possibly both actually.

1: It's still very early in the game where he doesn't have any of the abilities or gear that make him what is easily the best tank in the game after shield wall+shield expertise, champion abilities/holy smite and juggernaut or superior dragonskin armor.

2: You're bad at video games.

Modifié par Yorenec, 27 novembre 2009 - 08:13 .

[Tale Dakari]

Get him a good shield and heavy armor. Heavy armor does indeed make a difference. I got him templar plate armour and now puts up quite a fight.

[BanditGR]

Alistair suffers from the "Warrior with sword and shield" syndrome, meaning that he starts off rather bad (as in very bad in almost everything), but scales incredibly well on higher levels (>14-15). This is attributed to the fact that a sword and shield warrior requires at least 3 stats to be effective as a tank (as opposed to 2H tanks), Strength (up to 38 at least for Juggernaut or better, unless you go for Warden's Armor and upgrade along the way), Dexterity (at least 26 for the required defensive shield talents) and some points in Constitution (20 - 23 are good numbers). Not to mention the fact that going through the shield talents is incredibly tedious, for instance getting SW and Expertise to be immune to knockdown, when a 2H warrior can do exactly the same with Indomitable, a tier 2 talent that can be acquired...in the Origin story Then obviously you need some warrior talents as well (Threaten to start with). To add insult to injury, 2 handed weapons and talents can generally produce a ton of threat when compared to Alistair, even if he has the Keening Blade. I'd take an AW tank over him (or a 2H warrior such as Sten, or Oghren and most definitely Shale, early on) any day.



Alistair can eventually become a powerhouse, at greater levels but the problem with that logic is the simple fact, that...at that point it doesn't really matter, you already have most of your good skills and already have a dedicated party with regular members. Imo, use him for his Templar talents (if lacking one), or storyline purposes (for instance its nice to have him aboard in RedCliffe), otherwise avoid.

[Crackseed]

Naturalus wrote...
Yeah dog is better tank than early in the game than Allistar as dog have more hp than Allistar guy but later in the game dogs turn out to be pretty weak. It is also huge nuicance that dog need his own special healing snacks and cant use potions like rest of the party.

That's strange. My dog uses healing pots just fine >.>

[themaxzero]

The main issue is that Alister's stats are awful.



Not enough strength to wear good armour, not enough Dex for shield talents or decent defence and terrible Con.



By the time you sort him out you may as well use Sten to tank (does a hell of a lot more damage too).

[Wynne]

Hmm. Yeah. Dog uses healing poultices for me, too.



Just get the respec mod and you can make Al whatever you want. Personally, I think Sten and Alistair make a great team, but right now I'm playing with two shield tanks (myself and Alistair) and doing pretty fine.

[udgnim]

Alistair doesn't really become a decent tank until he gets the strength to equip Blood Armor Chest



until then, it's Shale if you want a tank