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[shinobi602]

marshalleck wrote...

Tali wins pretty much every poll as well. I think there's plenty of evidence that amongst the forum-going crowd, Tali is held in high regard by a majority.

Whether that's reflected in the player base as a whole is something only Bioware probably knows, from their feedback tools. And I doubt they'd officially come out and say which character is most popular.

In the forums maybe, but really, you know as well as I do that internet forums are no where near indicative of the general public. This has always been the case. Actually there was an article I read not too long ago about that.

It's no surprise that diehard fans will do everything and anything that has to do with their favorite character obsession, so they're more likely to vote on polls, post topics, etc etc. It's not an indication of anything to be honest...

[Mox Ruuga]

Tali on these boards, Miranda on others (at least on Gamefaqs).

Miranda is the better character, by far.

[Lord Atlia]

Tali is more popular. Her thread has been inflated by rabid and active fans not by a lot of fans. But usually big polls show Tali as leading prior to ME2 launch so I can only assume she has a large lurker fan base as well. She also has the largest base of haters of the popular characters, Liara, Wrex, Tali, and Garrus (Mordin, Legion, and Thane are looking to be potential ME2 favorites) for two reasons that are hard to prove, 1 they think that talimance caused quarians to be retconed and 2 that Tali's popularity will bias the writers to write in her characters favor thus overshadowing their own favorite character.

[cypherx82]

Tali for me.



Miranda is hot as all hell, but I feel much more connected to Tali.

[marshalleck]

shinobi602 wrote...

In the forums maybe, but really, you know as well as I do that internet forums are no where near indicative of the general public. This has always been the case. Actually there was an article I read not too long ago about that.

It's no surprise that diehard fans will do everything and anything that has to do with their favorite character obsession, so they're more likely to vote on polls, post topics, etc etc. It's not an indication of anything to be honest...

Yes, I just stated in unambiguous terms that the trend may not extend outside the forum. I'm well aware of the diminutive scale of an active forum population relative to the actual user base.

As for the second point, I don't see how that matters. Diehard fans or not, people consistently vote for Tali in droves. Every character has their diehard fans and their casual fans. The only way the distinction could possibly matter is if you are suggesting that being a fan of any other character makes you less likely to participate in forum polls, and I'd be curious to see how you come to that conclusion.

[EDarkness]

marshalleck wrote...

Tali wins pretty much every poll as well. I think there's plenty of evidence that amongst the forum-going crowd, Tali is held in high regard by a majority.

Whether that's reflected in the player base as a whole is something only Bioware probably knows, from their feedback tools. And I doubt they'd officially come out and say which character is most popular.

The only problem with that is people can play the game multiple times and select a different love interest.  There'd be no real way to tell unless they were looking at people who only played the game once to see which love interest was chosen the majority of the time in those cases.

[Lord Atlia]

shinobi602 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Tali wins pretty much every poll as well. I think there's plenty of evidence that amongst the forum-going crowd, Tali is held in high regard by a majority.

Whether that's reflected in the player base as a whole is something only Bioware probably knows, from their feedback tools. And I doubt they'd officially come out and say which character is most popular.

In the forums maybe, but really, you know as well as I do that internet forums are no where near indicative of the general public. This has always been the case. Actually there was an article I read not too long ago about that.

It's no surprise that diehard fans will do everything and anything that has to do with their favorite character obsession, so they're more likely to vote on polls, post topics, etc etc. It's not an indication of anything to be honest...

This is true but diehard fans are the most likely to have a negative impact on sales.  If a casual fan does not get the character they want they are not likely to spread negative word of mouth over the net, hardcore fans would waste days doing just that and potentially even damage mainstream sales.

[Fishy]

Lord Atlia wrote...

Tali is more popular. Her thread has been inflated by rabid and active fans not by a lot of fans. But usually big polls show Tali as leading prior to ME2 launch so I can only assume she has a large lurker fan base as well. She also has the largest base of haters of the popular characters, Liara, Wrex, Tali, and Garrus (Mordin, Legion, and Thane are looking to be potential ME2 favorites) for two reasons that are hard to prove, 1 they think that talimance caused quarians to be retconed and 2 that Tali's popularity will bias the writers to write in her characters favor thus overshadowing their own favorite character.

It's just get annoying to see a new *Tali* thread each couple of hours.
The most popular character ain't tali .. My guess would be Legion/Garrus/Joker has the most popular character.
Don't forget that not every player's interested doing a romance in game.

Tali romance popular imo because that out of the ordinary dating a quarian in the mass effect world.People love to feel special and unique.

The human are the less popular for a reason..because it's *ordinary*.

[Nozybidaj]

7th_Phoenix wrote...

Surprisingly from all the attention, threads, and fans... Tali takes the cake. It's sort of obvious... at least to me.

[Garlador]

Suprez30 wrote...

It's just get annoying to see a new *Tali* thread each couple of hours.
The most popular character ain't tali .. My guess would be Legion/Garrus/Joker has the most popular character.
Don't forget that not every player's interested doing a romance in game.

Tali romance popular imo because that out of the ordinary dating a quarian in the mass effect world.People love to feel special and unique.

The human are the less popular for a reason..because it's *ordinary*.

Most of the Tali fans are just in ONE thread (a very big one). There aren't THAT many "new" Tali threads (though there are alot).

I picked Tali because I liked her personality. Her being a Quarian has nothing to do with it.

But there are plenty of fantastic human characters, like Captain Anderson, Joker, and Jack..... while Ashley and Kaiden feel like wallpapers by comparison. Miranda's somewhere in the middle. A generic beauty queen with a little substance, but nothing really unique.

[ABCoLD]

Tali'Zorah vas FTW

[Himmelstor]

Lord Atlia wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Tali wins pretty much every poll as well. I think there's plenty of evidence that amongst the forum-going crowd, Tali is held in high regard by a majority.

Whether that's reflected in the player base as a whole is something only Bioware probably knows, from their feedback tools. And I doubt they'd officially come out and say which character is most popular.

In the forums maybe, but really, you know as well as I do that internet forums are no where near indicative of the general public. This has always been the case. Actually there was an article I read not too long ago about that.

It's no surprise that diehard fans will do everything and anything that has to do with their favorite character obsession, so they're more likely to vote on polls, post topics, etc etc. It's not an indication of anything to be honest...

This is true but diehard fans are the most likely to have a negative impact on sales.  If a casual fan does not get the character they want they are not likely to spread negative word of mouth over the net, hardcore fans would waste days doing just that and potentially even damage mainstream sales.

If you watched the main Tali thread, there is no flaming for the most part.

The trolls are those who post to pick on those forummers with favorites.

[shinobi602]

marshalleck wrote...

As for the second point, I don't see how that matters. Diehard fans or not, people consistently vote for Tali in droves. Every character has their diehard fans and their casual fans. The only way the distinction could possibly matter is if you are suggesting that being a fan of any other character makes you less likely to participate in forum polls, and I'd be curious to see how you come to that conclusion.

It matters because of what I said earlier. The hardcore fans are the ones willing to come online, go to their game's forums and participate, thus inflating actual popularity or whatever the issue is at hand. If you had EVERY single ME fan, I mean all 10 million or however much vote, I'm almost positive Tali would not be the most popular, because of the reason I said before, that's why it looks like they vote in droves.

The casual guys, sitting at home and never bothering to go to the forums or whatever, never have a voice. I didn't say it's 100% conclusive, but personally to me, an indicator. It's how forums works.

[Twitchmonkey]

Tali is great, she is very nice and she has a lot of integrity. Miranda has neither, though she does have a great ass. Doesn't quite make up for the fact that she's a terrible person though.



That's not to say I don't appreciate her character, she's interesting, I just don't like her.

[masterp1975]

Tali.

[Major-Shrinkage]

I can see that what im about to say is going to send some people through the roof. But honestly, Miranda is misconstrued to start. If you want to make it sound like real life, just for arguement sake. Shes got the ultimate **** front, that hot girls typically have. In game shes been made out to be a linear thinking objectionist. However, if you have gone through the romance subplot, she warms up to you, and even takes your side over Illusive Man's at one point. Miranda is not as cold hearted as you may think, and she definately changes to how you treat her, and whether or not you tell her to talk to her sister in her loyalty mission. However, i will say tali is a pretty streight forward honest pick if your looking for the easy miss goody goody i love you shepard two shoes.

[masterp1975]

Major-Shrinkage wrote...

I can see that what im about to say is going to send some people through the roof. But honestly, Miranda is misconstrued to start. If you want to make it sound like real life, just for arguement sake. Shes got the ultimate **** front, that hot girls typically have. In game shes been made out to be a linear thinking objectionist. However, if you have gone through the romance subplot, she warms up to you, and even takes your side over Illusive Man's at one point. Miranda is not as cold hearted as you may think, and she definately changes to how you treat her, and whether or not you tell her to talk to her sister in her loyalty mission. However, i will say tali is a pretty streight forward honest pick if your looking for the easy miss goody goody i love you shepard two shoes.

If that sends people through the roof... they're only selectively reading it. 

[Major-Shrinkage]

Yeah well go against everyone in a thread like this. Some people take it too seriously


(P.S. Anyone looking to party up on XBL???, Let me know.

Modifié par Major-Shrinkage, 05 février 2010 - 05:22 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Miranda for mainstream, non-forum gamers. Tali for those of these forums.

[shinobi602]

Major-Shrinkage wrote...

I can see that what im about to say is going to send some people through the roof. But honestly, Miranda is misconstrued to start. If you want to make it sound like real life, just for arguement sake. Shes got the ultimate **** front, that hot girls typically have. In game shes been made out to be a linear thinking objectionist. However, if you have gone through the romance subplot, she warms up to you, and even takes your side over Illusive Man's at one point. Miranda is not as cold hearted as you may think, and she definately changes to how you treat her, and whether or not you tell her to talk to her sister in her loyalty mission. However, i will say tali is a pretty streight forward honest pick if your looking for the easy miss goody goody i love you shepard two shoes.

Well said. That's really the main reason Tali is just an "ok" character to me. I don't know. Personally, I don't like a character that is head over
heels for me. It doesn't interest me much when they'll do anything for
me no matter what. It's like, "Yes Shepard!? Anything you want me to
do? Tell me, I'll do anything for you!"

It's just boring in my
opinion. I loved that Miranda was hard to approach (at first), and
played hard to get. It enticed me to try and crack her shell, tear that
emotional barrier wall down. And it paid off very well. She's such a
sweet character and really loves Shepard if you choose to go that route.

It's such a great feeling when you have to fight to
earn someone's trust and finally get it. It makes it WORTH it. It's not
worth it to me when someone trusts you and does anything you say right
from the start (Tali).

Modifié par shinobi602, 05 février 2010 - 05:23 .

[marshalleck]

shinobi602 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

As for the second point, I don't see how that matters. Diehard fans or not, people consistently vote for Tali in droves. Every character has their diehard fans and their casual fans. The only way the distinction could possibly matter is if you are suggesting that being a fan of any other character makes you less likely to participate in forum polls, and I'd be curious to see how you come to that conclusion.

It matters because of what I said earlier. The hardcore fans are the ones willing to come online, go to their game's forums and participate, thus inflating actual popularity or whatever the issue is at hand. If you had EVERY single ME fan, I mean all 10 million or however much vote, I'm almost positive Tali would not be the most popular, because of the reason I said before, that's why it looks like they vote in droves.

The casual guys, sitting at home and never bothering to go to the forums or whatever, never have a voice. I didn't say it's 100% conclusive, but personally to me, an indicator. It's how forums works.

The reason that doesn't matter is because I specifically said I was only talking about the forum crowd. I made no claims to knowledge about how her character is received beyond this forum, since I have no data to back it up.

Modifié par marshalleck, 05 février 2010 - 05:24 .

[Lord Atlia]

Himmelstor wrote...

Lord Atlia wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Tali wins pretty much every poll as well. I think there's plenty of evidence that amongst the forum-going crowd, Tali is held in high regard by a majority.

Whether that's reflected in the player base as a whole is something only Bioware probably knows, from their feedback tools. And I doubt they'd officially come out and say which character is most popular.

In the forums maybe, but really, you know as well as I do that internet forums are no where near indicative of the general public. This has always been the case. Actually there was an article I read not too long ago about that.

It's no surprise that diehard fans will do everything and anything that has to do with their favorite character obsession, so they're more likely to vote on polls, post topics, etc etc. It's not an indication of anything to be honest...

This is true but diehard fans are the most likely to have a negative impact on sales.  If a casual fan does not get the character they want they are not likely to spread negative word of mouth over the net, hardcore fans would waste days doing just that and potentially even damage mainstream sales.

If you watched the main Tali thread, there is no flaming for the most part.

The trolls are those who post to pick on those forummers with favorites.

That's not what I meant, what I meant is that polling gives a good sample size on where the fanboy/fangirl community stands.  As a whole the casual gamer market will probably not care whether a character makes it into the game or not.  Take the Liara fanbase, they are hurt that she did not make it into ME2 and while this didn't soil the market in this game if it is revealed she will have a similar sized role in ME3 their will be consequences in sales.  When designing characters, they design them for the hardcore market, look at Thane he is a fangirl sex object built from the ground up.  Tali and Garrus are in ME2 because the fanboy/fangirl market demanded they be in it, just like you can mark my words that they will be in ME3.

[Twitchmonkey]

Major-Shrinkage wrote...

I can see that what im about to say is going to send some people through the roof. But honestly, Miranda is misconstrued to start. If you want to make it sound like real life, just for arguement sake. Shes got the ultimate **** front, that hot girls typically have. In game shes been made out to be a linear thinking objectionist. However, if you have gone through the romance subplot, she warms up to you, and even takes your side over Illusive Man's at one point. Miranda is not as cold hearted as you may think, and she definately changes to how you treat her, and whether or not you tell her to talk to her sister in her loyalty mission. However, i will say tali is a pretty streight forward honest pick if your looking for the easy miss goody goody i love you shepard two shoes.

I didn't have a romance with her (FemShep, and I wouldn't have if I could) but her loyalty quest definitely did humanize her. I was almost on her side until her conflict with Jack, when I realized that even though she is human, she isn't a particularly good one. I'll admit Tali isn't that interesting, but she does really care about her people and completing the mission.

[Major-Shrinkage]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Miranda for mainstream, non-forum gamers. Tali for those of these forums.

I strongly beg to differ. I dont think that is a steriotype that you can put on either of the romance choices. You could say that miranda is mainstream simply for her looks, and more in depth players would pick tali because of her alien prowess and being unordinary, but on the opposite hand. Miranda is a challenge to seduce, and throws you off at more than one point by saying "feelings cant get in the way". And tali is a very easy forthright choice, which would be what mainstream gamers would pick.