I was just thinking about this last night as I was battling the Broodmother. I would have expected that the Grey Wardens supply all female wardens with an equivalent to a cyanide pill should the unthinkable happen. This is definitely something I would want to provide any new female recruits as a Warden Commander.
A glass of wine and a hot bath after a passionate night with my love will be my chosen exit.
Female Grey Wardens and Broodmothers
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#27
Posté 05 février 2010 - 03:20
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I also think there must be much more involved in becoming a brood mother than just the taint. Otherwise, there would be far more of them around.
#28
Posté 05 février 2010 - 03:24
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I think that since they have already "mastered" their taint, they can't do the transformation. There are female ghouls, not all are broodmothers. And if they transform into broodmothers, going to the deep roads as a female GW would be epically stupid.
Well, regular darkspawn do become the archdemon when it's slain unless it is done by a GW <_<
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I don`t think that all female wardens become brood-mothers anymore than regular darkspawn can turn into archdemon. I think there is a process, a highly particular one, if not highly advanced. It`s kind of like saying everyone who goes to University ends up wise.
Well, regular darkspawn do become the archdemon when it's slain unless it is done by a GW <_<
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Posté 05 février 2010 - 03:27
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When you are clearing the tunnels for Branka, she talks about how some of the women were transforming. It's not terribly clear if an elaborate process is really involved. Maybe there is some danger that female grey wardens could turn into to broodmothers. Given all the mystery around Duncan's disappearance, perhaps we'll see the grey warden taint gone wrong with him and see what happens to males?
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#30
Posté 05 février 2010 - 04:04
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The mastery of the taint given in the Joining is only a reprieve, not a cure. It slows the process down, but it's still the same process that any other person exposed to the taint would go through.Herr Uhl wrote...
I think that since they have already "mastered" their taint, they can't do the transformation. There are female ghouls, not all are broodmothers. And if they transform into broodmothers, going to the deep roads as a female GW would be epically stupid.
#31
Posté 05 février 2010 - 04:12
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I'd think the Joining would make it easier to become a Broodmother since you're already halfway to being that which you fight.
#32
Posté 05 février 2010 - 04:58
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Simple, the Joining Blood, contains: Darkspawn Blood, Lyrium, Archdemon Blood, and some mage "altering".
Broodmothers aren't just exposed to the blood. They are fed Darkspawn meat, raped by Darkspawn etc...
And if it were true, you wouldn't just become that in 1 minute, all Grey Wardens after 30 years of drinking the blood go to the Deep Roads, we can just assume most of them die, but some become ghouls or broodmothers.
Broodmothers aren't just exposed to the blood. They are fed Darkspawn meat, raped by Darkspawn etc...
And if it were true, you wouldn't just become that in 1 minute, all Grey Wardens after 30 years of drinking the blood go to the Deep Roads, we can just assume most of them die, but some become ghouls or broodmothers.
#33
Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:21
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lol You had to say it, didn't you svenus.
#34
Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:26
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I think "raping" is the nice term when it comes to darkspawn. "Violated" could mean so much more than simply raped.
Either way - my female wardens will be donating their bodies to Avernus's research. I kinda see it like Organ Donation. Give up their bodies for the good of all Grey Wardens
Either way - my female wardens will be donating their bodies to Avernus's research. I kinda see it like Organ Donation. Give up their bodies for the good of all Grey Wardens
#35
Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:44
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Siradix wrote...
lol You had to say it, didn't you svenus.
Say what:innocent:
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#36
Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:52
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Even if the odds are 99.9 of not becoming a broodmother, that 0.1 is enough for my PC to ask her love to help her with a nice, slow acting poison. That way she can go out in a blaze of glory, taking as many darkspawn with her as possible, and yet, be of no further use to them in any way.
#37
Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:53
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svenus97 wrote...
Siradix wrote...
lol You had to say it, didn't you svenus.
Say what:innocent:
Ect, you had to say ect.; lol you know what you said.
As for the word rape not being as bad as violated, that's just a matter of perception. By definition, in this situation, they are the samething, rape is just a more blunt word.
#38
Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:57
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wardans taint is darkspawn blood with archdemon blood....
#39
Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:57
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Siradix wrote...
svenus97 wrote...
Siradix wrote...
lol You had to say it, didn't you svenus.
Say what:innocent:
Ect, you had to say ect.; lol you know what you said.
As for the word rape not being as bad as violated, that's just a matter of perception. By definition, in this situation, they are the samething, rape is just a more blunt word.
Fine... we will have it your way;).
#40
Posté 05 février 2010 - 06:43
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Just the thought of being raped by the darkspawn is bad enough even w/out the whole broodmother thing. Better brush up on the poison skill or find a few high dragons to ****** off.
#41
Posté 05 février 2010 - 06:46
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Well that's if you get captured. I think the whole idea of going to the deep roads to die is that you run into a bunch of darkspawn and die in battle.
Perhaps, but the Darkspawn aren't intelligent. The transformation is entirely biological; I can't see any other way to cause such a transformation. I guess magic would be possible, but darkspawn mages are rare and aren't nearly powerful enough to do something like that.
I think "raping" is the nice term when it comes to darkspawn. "Violated" could mean so much more than simply raped.
Perhaps, but the Darkspawn aren't intelligent. The transformation is entirely biological; I can't see any other way to cause such a transformation. I guess magic would be possible, but darkspawn mages are rare and aren't nearly powerful enough to do something like that.
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#42
Posté 05 février 2010 - 07:30
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Right. And Branka sees this as a good thing ("more darkspawn to use for testing Caridin's traps"). This reminds me why I have yet to spare Branka in any playthrough.
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#43
Posté 05 février 2010 - 07:37
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Didn't Branka let her lover turn into a Broodmother?
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Posté 05 février 2010 - 09:09
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Branka is just doing what she has to.. my first playthrough I went with Harrowmont and helped her (preserve Dwarf race at any cost, that was my Dwarf noble motto)
As to the ending part.. I would personally prefer something more immediate like driving a dagger into my chest. No slow poison thing.. even as male going to the deep roads to die in battle just does not sound like a good idea (real risk of being kocked out and captured). Maybe a ritual suicide of some sort? like Seppuku with another Warden being my second
As to the ending part.. I would personally prefer something more immediate like driving a dagger into my chest. No slow poison thing.. even as male going to the deep roads to die in battle just does not sound like a good idea (real risk of being kocked out and captured). Maybe a ritual suicide of some sort? like Seppuku with another Warden being my second
#45
Posté 05 février 2010 - 09:11
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Sabriana wrote...
Even if the odds are 99.9 of not becoming a broodmother, that 0.1 is enough for my PC to ask her love to help her with a nice, slow acting poison. That way she can go out in a blaze of glory, taking as many darkspawn with her as possible, and yet, be of no further use to them in any way.
Why do I picture Zevran following her, no matter what, and making sure she dies? It really would be the one last thing he could do for her. And I'm sure he'd want to be with her until the very end.
Edit: The whole broodmother thing is so creepy.
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#46
Posté 05 février 2010 - 09:14
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And the darkspawn are just doing what they have to, when they follow the archdemon. They're still gonna die.Zugin wrote...
Branka is just doing what she has to.. my first playthrough I went with Harrowmont and helped her (preserve Dwarf race at any cost, that was my Dwarf noble motto)
#47
Posté 05 février 2010 - 09:16
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Yes, I always imagined my Dalish Warden making Alistair promise to kill her before letting her be captured by darkspawn after the Broodmother thing. Ugh, she creeps me out majorly. I hate that fight with passion, and always go into the Deep Trenches dreading it.
#48
Posté 05 février 2010 - 09:19
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And the darkspawn are just doing what they have to, when they follow the archdemon. They're still gonna die.
Well the darkspawn are mindless. It's really not the same thing.
There's a strong argument to be made that sacrificing a few people to fight the darkspawn would save vastly more people...potentially the entire races. Imagine if the dwarves were eradicated by the Darkspawn and thus, rather than only coming to the surface during a Blight, they were ravaging everything ALL THE TIME?
Yes, I always imagined my Dalish Warden
making Alistair promise to kill her before letting her be captured by
darkspawn after the Broodmother thing. Ugh, she creeps me out majorly.
I hate that fight with passion, and always go into the Deep Trenches
dreading it.
Just like to point out that it's statements like this that make me think Bioware's writers are absolute geniuses..
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#49
Posté 05 février 2010 - 09:38
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They are geniuses.. first playthrough going through that passage as you hear each sentence of the chant.. Quality! It outdoes any other part of the game I think, including the ending. I would really love it if they made DAO2 center around Dwarf War vs darkspawn
#50
Posté 05 février 2010 - 10:59
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I know the evidence is somewhat sparse, but I always took Hespith's chant to mean that it takes more than just the taint to make a female a Broodmother. I don't think that female Wardens turn into Broodmothers if they don't die, but rather ghouls. In The Calling Genevieve and Utha both have their transformation "sped up" by the Architect and become something much more akin to ghouls, not Broodmothers. So the process to turn someone into a Broodmother isn't just spreading the taint.
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