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[Sandtigress]

Some of us at least are referring more to what happens to female Wardens who seek out the Calling and might then be captured and turned by darkspawn. *shudder*

[Thor Rand Al]

Ya this topic became very disturbing, n creepy lmao... Makes me wonder what Bioware might be thinking if they read this topic n see where our sick minds went but how could we not sit here n assume especially after hearing that chant...

[Demx]

I hope the children are not the offspring from the Broodmother. That would make it worst.

[Thor Rand Al]

Siradix wrote...

I hope the children are not the offspring from the Broodmother. That would make it worst.

I was actually wondering the same thing n yep def make it worse... Those things are just gross, n creepy lmao

[maxernst]

When I encountered Hespeth and the Broodmother, I wished that I had had Morrigan with me, so that I could say "See. I told you there were worse things than death. And you gave me -10 approval for saying so!"

[SusanStoHelit]

maxernst wrote...

When I encountered Hespeth and the Broodmother, I wished that I had had Morrigan with me, so that I could say "See. I told you there were worse things than death. And you gave me -10 approval for saying so!"

QFT. That is just so true.

[melkathi]

maxernst wrote...

When I encountered Hespeth and the Broodmother, I wished that I had had Morrigan with me, so that I could say "See. I told you there were worse things than death. And you gave me -10 approval for saying so!"

Sadly no character other than Oghren has any comment whatsoever after that fight...

[Axekix]

That whole Hespith/Broodmother encounter is one of the most atmospheric parts of the game.  I haven't had my skin crawl like that since playing Dead Space.

I do wonder how much of the original girl's consciousness is left in a Broodmother.  Emissaries  are intelligent enough to speak after all. 

Modifié par Axekix, 07 février 2010 - 04:55 .

[Maria Caliban]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

But you said you wanted it to be straightened out, lol. Like I've said elsewhere. All my female grey wardens are gonna take a nice hot bath when 'their time has come' - and quietly slit their wrists.

My main would find that cowardly. She’s going into the deep roads with just her armor and weapons, and will be taking as many darkspawn as she can down before she dies in battle.

My second won't have that problem as she'll just use blood magic to continue living a normal life.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 07 février 2010 - 05:17 .

[Monica21]

Maria Caliban wrote...

SusanStoHelit wrote...

But you said you wanted it to be straightened out, lol. Like I've said elsewhere. All my female grey wardens are gonna take a nice hot bath when 'their time has come' - and quietly slit their wrists.

My main would find that cowardly. She’s going into the deep roads with just her armor and weapons, and will be taking as many darkspawn as she can down before she dies in battle.

My second won't have that problem as she'll just use blood magic to continue living a normal life.

Even if it's cowardly, I see nothing wrong with using poison to take out as many as possible before my characters die.

That really is probably the most disturbing thing in the game, and going to Orzammar bothers me because I know I'll have to face that. With every character I have to think of how she'd play it in camp afterwards.

[Nonvita]

Zugin wrote...

They are geniuses.. first playthrough going through that passage as you hear each sentence of the chant.. Quality! It outdoes any other part of the game I think, including the ending.

Definitely, even having seen the video beforehand it still felt like a horrific, unpredictable discovery. My heart was racing so much. The absolute terror at realizing that's what she could become helped lead up to why my first character decided to sacrifice herself.

Lumenadducere wrote...

I know the evidence is somewhat sparse, but I always took Hespith's chant to mean that it takes more than just the taint to make a female a Broodmother. I don't think that female Wardens turn into Broodmothers if they don't die, but rather ghouls. In The Calling Genevieve and Utha both have their transformation "sped up" by the Architect and become something much more akin to ghouls, not Broodmothers. So the process to turn someone into a Broodmother isn't just spreading the taint.

I agree with this. It seems like there's something more to becoming a broodmother, which is why they're so rare. Hespith is so cryptic with what she says, but the process she recounts sounds completely deliberate and specific in nature.

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Ya this topic became very disturbing, n creepy lmao... Makes me wonder what Bioware might be thinking if they read this topic n see where our sick minds went but how could we not sit here n assume especially after hearing that chant...

Um, the Bioware devs are the sick minds that came up with Broodmothers. They can hardly go calling us sick! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

Siradix wrote...

I hope the children are not the offspring from the Broodmother. That would make it worst.

Considering the darkspawn are the offspring of the Broodmothers, it seems like it's something different for the children. Although, I'm not sure I want to find out what...

Modifié par Nonvita, 07 février 2010 - 05:44 .

[melkathi]

Axekix wrote...

That whole Hespith/Broodmother encounter is one of the most atmospheric parts of the game.  I haven't had my skin crawl like that since playing Dead Space.

I do wonder how much of the original girl's consciousness is left in a Broodmother.  Emissaries  are intelligent enough to speak after all. 

I just prefer to belive that by the time the woman starts transforming into that thing, her mind is gone.

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

I thought Dwarfs were the only ones who could become Broodmothers. I just figured thats why Hespith says the come for us refering to the female dwarfs.

[Monica21]

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

I thought Dwarfs were the only ones who could become Broodmothers. I just figured thats why Hespith says the come for us refering to the female dwarfs.

Any female Grey Warden who "survives" the taint can become one. Hespith was muttering about it because Branka created the Broodmother so she could use its children to test the Anvil of the Void. Codex entry

[Sandtigress]

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

I thought Dwarfs were the only ones who could become Broodmothers. I just figured thats why Hespith says the come for us refering to the female dwarfs.

From the codex on broodmothers:

Each type of darkspawn is born of a different broodmother:  Humans produce hurlocks, dwarves produce genlocks, elves give birth to shrieks, and from quinari are born the ogres.

[steelfire_dragon]

any female wardens of mine, will go out into the mountains, strip out off all garments.



and thrust several daggers into their own bodies( atleast 5) , blood loss + hypothermia = death



and according to the known lore, the darkspawn bodies heal, well they wont heal with the dagger still in there will it.

[Korvayer]

I think a lot of you are missing the obvious: in order to become a mother, one must be impregnated. One does not contract pregnancy from the taint. From listening to Hespith's chant, it is clear to me that the path to broodmotherhood involves impregnation by the darkspawn.

From what I gather, darkspawn reproduction is a two step process.

A female ghoul is selected to be fattened up ("...in her mouth they spew"). As you may know, women require a certain amount of body fat to be able to carry a child to term. Judging by the manner and degree to which a broodmother puts out (so to speak), I surmise that childbearing puts a huge drain on the system.

Once fattened, she is impregnated ("Eighth day, we hated as she is violated."). At least, that's what I gathered from the crazy ****'s incessant chanting.

The real question in my mind is what becomes of the fetus of a pregnant female who succumbs to -- and survives -- the taint? And can a female ghoul be impregnated by the races of men? (YUCK!) If so, what results from this union? (More importantly, do I even want to know?)

[steelfire_dragon]

if you were told, Korvayer, your ears might bleed

[draxynnus]

Demonic Spoon wrote...

Perhaps, but the Darkspawn aren't intelligent. The transformation is entirely biological; I can't see any other way to cause such a transformation. I guess magic would be possible, but darkspawn mages are rare and aren't nearly powerful enough to do something like that.

Actually, I've seen no evidence that Darkspawn mages are any less common or powerful than human or elven mages. In fact, proportionally, they may even have more mages.

When it comes to power - the boss-level Darkspawn mages such as the Necromancer and the Conjurer seem powerful enough.

While the darkspawn may be bestial, assuming they're unintelligent, especially when it comes to their leaders, seems likely to result in a fatal underestimation.

maxernst wrote...

When I encountered Hespeth and the Broodmother, I wished that I had had Morrigan with me, so that I could say "See. I told you there were worse things than death. And you gave me -10 approval for saying so!"

Agreed. I think it's Morrigan simply being short-tempered with that - I'm pretty sure that if you had the chance to explain your position she wouldn't disapprove as much (or at all), but she refuses to listen.

Nonvita wrote...

Considering the darkspawn are the offspring of the Broodmothers, it seems like it's something different for the children.

Well...they may simply be larval Darkspawn. Which would make them something of an "only threatening in large numbers" thing, but maybe that sequence does involve them appearing in large numbers.

[Monica21]

@Korvayer, my understanding is that in order to become the mother part of the broodmother, yes she has to be impregnated. However, her body still changes before then. "Seventh day, she grew as in her mouth they spew." I don't think it's simply a ghoul who becomes a broodmother. I think it is the form of human, elf, dwarf, or qunari that changes to become the broodmother, bypassing any other change.

[Axekix]

melkathi wrote...

Axekix wrote...

That
whole Hespith/Broodmother encounter is one of the most atmospheric
parts of the game.  I haven't had my skin crawl like that since playing
Dead Space.

I do wonder how much of the original girl's
consciousness is left in a Broodmother.  Emissaries  are intelligent
enough to speak after all.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

I just prefer to belive that by the time the woman starts transforming into that thing, her mind is gone.

Probably.  Still, I wish we could've talked with the Broodmother in DAO before brutally murdering her.  I bet she had some interesting insights!

Korvayer wrote...
And can a female ghoul be impregnated by the races of men? (YUCK!) If so, what results from this union? (More importantly, do I even want to know?)

...

That'd take some serious beer ale goggles.

[Maria Caliban]

Monica21 wrote...

@Korvayer, my understanding is that in order to become the mother part of the broodmother, yes she has to be impregnated. However, her body still changes before then. "Seventh day, she grew as in her mouth they spew." I don't think it's simply a ghoul who becomes a broodmother. I think it is the form of human, elf, dwarf, or qunari that changes to become the broodmother, bypassing any other change.

To be sure, broodmothers are impregnated by the taint, not darkspawn semen.

[Korvayer]

Well, I suppose we all have our own interpretation of Hespith's cryptic chant. Now, who's taking bets?

Axekix wrote...

Korvayer wrote...

And can a female ghoul be impregnated by the races of men? (YUCK!) If so, what results from this union? (More importantly, do I even want to know?)

...

That'd take some serious beer ale goggles.

steelfire_dragon wrote...

if you were told, Korvayer, your ears might bleed

Ale goggles... Check!
Gause stuffed in ears... Check!

Am I adequately prepared?

Modifié par Korvayer, 07 février 2010 - 06:44 .

[thegreateski]

To answer the original question . . . They do more then simply "taint" you.



. . . . Actually that might be EXACTLY what they do.

Modifié par thegreateski, 07 février 2010 - 06:40 .

[Axekix]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

@Korvayer, my understanding is that in order to become the mother part of the broodmother, yes she has to be impregnated. However, her body still changes before then. "Seventh day, she grew as in her mouth they spew." I don't think it's simply a ghoul who becomes a broodmother. I think it is the form of human, elf, dwarf, or qunari that changes to become the broodmother, bypassing any other change.

To be sure, broodmothers are impregnated by the taint, not darkspawn semen.

Darkspawn semen sounds pretty tainted to me.