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[Lakmoots]

Look...

None of us really know the specifics of this at all...

THANK GOODNESS!!

However, I personally interpreted Hespith's chant and the codex entry to mean that a Broodmother becomes more like a "hive form" and gives birth to hordes of Darkspawn through a system of self-impregnation... such as many insects.

AT NO POINT is it suggested that a Broodmother breeds with Darkspawn... it just says give birth.

It could just as easily be Haemaphroditic (ugh sp) and reproduce asexually...

Besides... the tentacles would get in the way

[Monica21]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

@Korvayer, my understanding is that in order to become the mother part of the broodmother, yes she has to be impregnated. However, her body still changes before then. "Seventh day, she grew as in her mouth they spew." I don't think it's simply a ghoul who becomes a broodmother. I think it is the form of human, elf, dwarf, or qunari that changes to become the broodmother, bypassing any other change.

To be sure, broodmothers are impregnated by the taint, not darkspawn semen.

It's possible that there is another method, but the fact that she is "violated" after she "grows" means that there's something darker going on, most likely rape. If only it were as simple as a Hurlock Emissary spell.

[thegreateski]

I'll just add this thread to my list of nightmares, thanks a bunch.

Modifié par thegreateski, 07 février 2010 - 06:50 .

[Axekix]

Lakmoots wrote...

Look...

None of us really know the specifics of this at all...

THANK GOODNESS!!

However, I personally interpreted Hespith's chant and the codex entry to mean that a Broodmother becomes more like a "hive form" and gives birth to hordes of Darkspawn through a system of self-impregnation... such as many insects.

AT NO POINT is it suggested that a Broodmother breeds with Darkspawn... it just says give birth.

It could just as easily be Haemaphroditic (ugh sp) and reproduce asexually...

Besides... the tentacles would get in the way

Your avatar made me imagine this post in Duncan's voice.  I don't really know if that makes it better or worse.

[Korvayer]

Just to clarify, I never suggested that darkspawn mate with the broodmother. I suggested that darkspawn mate with fattened female ghouls, thereby making them mothers.

Remember: according to Hespith, violation occured one day after the female had begun to grow, but before she became "the beast." Now, interpret her as you will, but I came to understand that "the beast" is Hespith's label for the broodmother.

Modifié par Korvayer, 07 février 2010 - 07:09 .

[Maria Caliban]

Monica21 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

@Korvayer, my understanding is that in order to become the mother part of the broodmother, yes she has to be impregnated. However, her body still changes before then. "Seventh day, she grew as in her mouth they spew." I don't think it's simply a ghoul who becomes a broodmother. I think it is the form of human, elf, dwarf, or qunari that changes to become the broodmother, bypassing any other change.

To be sure, broodmothers are impregnated by the taint, not darkspawn semen.

It's possible that there is another method, but the fact that she is "violated" after she "grows" means that there's something darker going on, most likely rape. If only it were as simple as a Hurlock Emissary spell.

I never said that she wasn't raped. I said that she's impregnated by the taint, not semen.

I'm not sure why you think darkspawn spells would be tainted. There's no evidence for that.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 07 février 2010 - 07:18 .

[Lakmoots]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

@Korvayer, my understanding is that in order to become the mother part of the broodmother, yes she has to be impregnated. However, her body still changes before then. "Seventh day, she grew as in her mouth they spew." I don't think it's simply a ghoul who becomes a broodmother. I think it is the form of human, elf, dwarf, or qunari that changes to become the broodmother, bypassing any other change.

To be sure, broodmothers are impregnated by the taint, not darkspawn semen.

It's possible that there is another method, but the fact that she is "violated" after she "grows" means that there's something darker going on, most likely rape. If only it were as simple as a Hurlock Emissary spell.

I never said that she wasn't raped. I said that she's impregnated by the taint, not semen.

I'm not sure why you think darkspawn spells would be tainted. There's no evidence for that.

Ummmm...

There is NO evidence for what you say either... did you get close to DS semen at some point in the game to test?

This whole thread is FULL of speculation...

And I think I am gonna

[Monica21]

Maria Caliban wrote...
I never said that she wasn't raped. I said that she's impregnated by the taint, not semen.

I'm not sure why you think darkspawn spells would be tainted. There's no evidence for that.

Um, the taint can't, on its own, decide to create darkspawn babies. The chant makes it clear that there's more to it than that. And I don't think darkspawn spells have anything to do with it.

[Lord Phoebus]

In this thread, Gaider suggested that the elixir the wardens drink during the joining is just concentrated taint and the magic goes towards concentrating it. I suppose the effect is sort of like taking a vaccine after you're infected, having the mega dose helps your immune system come up with a response quicker and fight off the infection. With the taint I suppose it either kills you or lets you fight it for 30 years instead of succumbing in a couple of months.



For women I don't think the end of life dangers are there, I assume the Grey Warden women would be menopausal by the time they head to Orzammar so they may not be able to become Broodmothers and Grey Wardens have diminished fertility to begin with. But I suppose a Grey Warden woman who was captured could be put through the process Hespith describes and might become a Broodmother.

[Thor Rand Al]

Here's some more information that I'm not sure was in the codex about broodmothers but it does answer a question I saw n had myself about the Children for Awakenings lol, it also answer's the question about darkspawn semen ...


Broodmother: Tainted females of the surface species are affected differently from males, undergoing great pain and gross mutations, which cause most of them to perish.  Those who survive, however, become the egg-laying broodmother's.  These broadmother's spawn many infertile offspring at a time, over and over throughout their lifetime.  One broodmother, in fact, can create thousands of darkspawn...and it is from these broodmothers that all darkspawn originate.  Like bees, the broodmothers are the "queens" and nominal rulers of the darkspawn races during the periods when a Blight is not in progress...

[Inquisitor Recon]

I don't think it is implied the taint recieved by the joining causes you to die or turn into a ghoul, rather I think Alistair implies the nightmares become so bad you basically start to go insane.



Either way my Grey Warden is going out in style, with 50 flame bombs strapped to my chest. Just have to figure out how to detonate them however.



And I want people to see my glorious explosion as well...

[Mistersunshine]

The whole broodmother part of the game is pretty horrifying. If nothing else does, it earns the "dark fantasy" title for Dragon Age. Listening to Hespith chant about it as you approach is by far the creepiest, most chilling part of the whole game. I don't really want to think too much about how the whole process of making a broodmother works, but it's surely about the most terrible fate I could imagine for the poor woman who suffers it. I'd hope that any female Grey Warden could die fighting before succumbing to that, at least.

Modifié par Mistersunshine, 07 février 2010 - 07:44 .

[Thor Rand Al]

It's the taint itself that turns the woman... They either are fed it or are forced to drink the tainted blood, or both. For women it has to do with the reproductive system, that's why it's only women that become broodmothers n not many survive. The torture n mutilation is because the body is going through these changes faster then they normally would because of the amount of the taint that is being forced into the women.

As for female wardens I believe that with the archdemon blood, the lyrium n whatever magical remedies are being done to make it safe to become a warden cancels out the broodmother theory. The women that do become broodmother's have not had this luxery. They are fed the taint straight n pure without any additives so to speak lol

[thegreateski]

I imagine a certain type of magic is required to make a broodmother.



probably part of the same school as the ritual Morrigan used.

[Korvayer]

thegreateski wrote...

I imagine a certain type of magic is required to make a broodmother.

probably part of the same school as the ritual Morrigan used.

The school of "The Birds and the Bees." Never underestimate the power of sex. Sex is magical.

[Nonvita]

The Brood Mother also makes me reconsider Alistair's comment that there aren't many women in the Grey Wardens. Are fewer women recruited on purpose, because of their sensitivity to the taint? It seems likely that they are killed by the joining process more often than men, and if they do eventually become Brood Mothers it's a big risk to put them through it...

Gah, this whole subject is so confusing and disturbing. >.<

[Quill74Pen]

maxernst wrote...

When I encountered Hespeth and the Broodmother, I wished that I had had Morrigan with me, so that I could say "See. I told you there were worse things than death. And you gave me -10 approval for saying so!"

I think Morrigan would make an adorable Broodmother, don't you?

Quill74Pen

[thegreateski]

Quill74Pen wrote...I think Morrigan would make an adorable Broodmother, don't you?

Quiet honestly I would have no idea if she turned into one.

[Quill74Pen]

Sandtigress wrote...

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

I thought Dwarfs were the only ones who could become Broodmothers. I just figured thats why Hespith says the come for us refering to the female dwarfs.

From the codex on broodmothers:

Each type of darkspawn is born of a different broodmother:  Humans produce hurlocks, dwarves produce genlocks, elves give birth to shrieks, and from quinari are born the ogres.

I wonder if Broodmothers derived from different species look different from each other. I mean, the Dwarven Broodmother was enormous! Would a human version be even bigger? Elven? And Qunari?! Good grief, they'd probably be the biggest, baddest Broodmothers around!

Quill74Pen

[Quill74Pen]

thegreateski wrote...

Quill74Pen wrote...I think Morrigan would make an adorable Broodmother, don't you?

Quiet honestly I would have no idea if she turned into one.

**LOL** You two didn't exactly see eye to eye, did you?

[thegreateski]

Korvayer wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

I imagine a certain type of magic is required to make a broodmother.

probably part of the same school as the ritual Morrigan used.

The school of "The Birds and the Bees." Never underestimate the power of sex. Sex is magical.

"Daddy where do babys come from?"

"Well son, when a man and woman love each other very much Chuck Norris karate kicks the woman in the stomach. A baby is born."

[Quill74Pen]

melkathi wrote...

Axekix wrote...

That whole Hespith/Broodmother encounter is one of the most atmospheric parts of the game.  I haven't had my skin crawl like that since playing Dead Space.

I do wonder how much of the original girl's consciousness is left in a Broodmother.  Emissaries  are intelligent enough to speak after all. 

I just prefer to belive that by the time the woman starts transforming into that thing, her mind is gone.

The mind is always the last thing to change completely in these sorts of transformations. The idea of a woman maintaining a sense of herself as her body transforms, though, is **shudders** horrendous.

Quill74Pen

[Quill74Pen]

thegreateski wrote...

I'll just add this thread to my list of nightmares, thanks a bunch.

You're welcome. Do you want a side of French fries with that?

Quill74Pen

[Demx]

First day, they come and catch everyone.
Second day, they beat us and eat some for meat.
Third day, the men are gnawed on again.
Fourth day, we wait and fear for our fate.
Fifth day, they return and it's another girl's turn.
Sixth day, her screams we hear in our dreams.
Seventh day, she grew as in her mouth they spew.
Eighth day, we hated as she is violated.
Ninth day, she grins and devours her kin.
Now she does feast, as she's become the beast."

Okay, since someone mentioned they resemble a hive this is how Queen Bees are made.

The queens are developed from larvae selected by worker bees and specially fed (royal jelly) in order to become sexually mature.

Virgin queen bees are intermediate in size between workers and mated laying queens.

Piping describes a noise made by virgin and mated queen bees during certain times of the virgin queens' development. This noise is quite loud and can be clearly heard outside the hive.

A virgin queen may frequently pipe before she emerges from her cell and for a brief time afterwards. Mated queens may briefly pipe after being released in a hive. Piping is most common when there is more than one queen in a hive.

It is postulated that the piping is a form of battle cry announcing to competing queens and the workers their willingness to fight. It may also be a signal to the worker bees which queen is the most worthwhile to support.

The surviving virgin queen will fly out on a sunny, warm day to a "drone congregation area" where she will mate with 12-15 drones. If the weather holds, she may return to the drone congregation area for several days until she is fully mated.

A queen does not directly control the hive. Her sole function is to serve as the reproducer. A well-mated and well-fed queen of quality stock can lay about 2,000 eggs per day during the spring build-up — more than her own bodyweight in eggs every day. She is continuously surrounded by worker bees who meet her every need, giving her food and disposing of her waste.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_bee

Modifié par Siradix, 07 février 2010 - 08:38 .

[Thor Rand Al]

The Queen reference was how they are the nominal rulers of the darkspawn races... There's 1 "Queen Bee" just like for each darkspawn race there's 1 Broodmother...
N about the mating well that's a lil impossible for the darkspawn if they are born infertile

Edit: For The Genlock's: there's 1 dwarven broodmother, the Hurlock's: 1 human broodmother, the ogre: 1 qunari broodmother, the shrieks: 1 elven broodmother...

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 07 février 2010 - 08:46 .