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[Khavos]

vhatever wrote...

Qario, you might want to try to bring your l33t L2P skills to insanity, after you tire of little kiddie mode.

'Cause Warp spam is so much more difficult and hardcore, amirite? 

[vhatever]

Khavos wrote...

vhatever wrote...

Qario, you might want to try to bring your l33t L2P skills to insanity, after you tire of little kiddie mode.

'Cause Warp spam is so much more difficult and hardcore, amirite? 

What does warp spam have to do with anything?

Just a dumb kid trying to be clever? amirite?

[stillnotking]

I finished Insanity with an Adept but I definitely wouldn't call it easy, and you are heavily dependent on squadmates with Overload. There's a balance issue in that nothing really "stops" bullets, but a simple shield that 95% of humanoid and 100% of Geth enemies have on Insanity makes every single Adept power worthless.

Infiltrators and Soldiers have a much easier time. Do the Geth Colossus part on Tali's recruitment mission with an Adept and then with an Infiltrator and you'll see what I am talking about.

That said, there obviously isn't any such thing as "balance" in a single player game. If you want more of a challenge, play an Adept or Vanguard.

Modifié par stillnotking, 05 février 2010 - 01:18 .

[Khavos]

vhatever wrote...

What does warp spam have to do with anything?

Just a dumb kid trying to be clever? amirite?

Wait, were you suggesting that you were actually having trouble on Insanity with an adept? 

[vhatever]

Khavos wrote...

vhatever wrote...

What does warp spam have to do with anything?

Just a dumb kid trying to be clever? amirite?

Wait, were you suggesting that you were actually having trouble on Insanity with an adept? 

Wait, were you even following the thread at all? Maybe you should read more and make dumb ass comments less.

[Malanthor]

No he werent. adepts on insanity can be easy, just have to spam warp and use your guns, the issue is that most people who play biotic users actually want to be a biotic, not a gun-toting guy who uses 1 power over and over, if they wanted that they would be a soldier with 1 biotic special power. Its rediculous that you cant use most powers on shielded enemies. If you enjoy playing a adept on insanity as it stands now your really strange. I dont understand why people cant see this.

[Qario]

vhatever wrote...

Qario, you might want to try to bring your l33t L2P skills to insanity, after you tire of little kiddie mode.

I played sentinel on insanity and adept on hard, currently playing infiltrator. Go try your insults on someone who'd even care being upset by them. Fail flamer is fail...

Modifié par Qario, 05 février 2010 - 01:24 .

[Khavos]

vhatever wrote...

Wait, were you even following the thread at all? Maybe you should read more and make dumb ass comments less.

I surely was.  Someone opined that adept was a good class, you suggested they play on Insanity, where adept consists solely of Warp spamming and gunplay, and isn't more difficult than anything else, simply more tedious.  Having clearly not actually tried it yourself, you were kind of backed into a corner when someone who had pointed it out, and apparently became confused. 

Or else you genuinely are having trouble on Insanity with an adept, which makes the whole "kiddie mode" comment even more ironically amusing. 

[vhatever]

Khavos wrote...

vhatever wrote...

Wait, were you even following the thread at all? Maybe you should read more and make dumb ass comments less.

I surely was.  Someone opined that adept was a good class, you suggested they play on Insanity, where adept consists solely of Warp spamming and gunplay, and isn't more difficult than anything else, simply more tedious.  Having clearly not actually tried it yourself, you were kind of backed into a corner when someone who had pointed it out, and apparently became confused. 

Or else you genuinely are having trouble on Insanity with an adept, which makes the whole "kiddie mode" comment even more ironically amusing. 

He liked his adept on kiddie difficulty level. When you play isnaity, most of your abilities are entirely worthless and the gameplay is very boring. But you are wrong, it is much more difficult for an adept asd well, but that was not my point in the initial comment.

You just thought you were clever because you know that most od insanity mode for an adept is warp spam. You aren't clever.

[Taura-Tierno]

I played an infiltrator on the first playthrough, and now I'm doing a Vanguard ... and I miss my sniper rifle. A lot.



Infiltrator feld a lot easier ... although, I played at normal difficulty the first time, and veteran now, so that might be a large part of the difference, I suppose.

[Khavos]

Khavos wrote...

'Cause Warp spam is so much more difficult and
hardcore, amirite? 

vhatever wrote...

When you play isnaity, most of your abilities are entirely worthless and the gameplay is very boring.

vhatever wrote...

You just thought you were clever because you know that most od insanity mode for an adept is warp spam. You aren't clever.

Seems you knew what Warp spam had to do with it since the beginning, but just wanted to whine a little. 

Modifié par Khavos, 05 février 2010 - 01:42 .

[Qario]

You should take another look at whose the kid here, I'll give you a hint, the immature flamer being proven wrong.
Everybody likes different classes, everybody's entitled to an opinion, but you're just sad. You don't even care about the adept discussion, you appearently simply just failed at playing adept on insanity and now you're flaming people who like the adept class.

Modifié par Qario, 05 février 2010 - 01:52 .

[vhatever]

Khavos wrote...


Seems you knew what Warp spam had to do with it since the beginning, but just wanted to whine a little. 

Nope. Warp spam has nothing to do with it. You can go through all of insanity and never use warp once if you really wanted to.

the problem isn't with warp spam, but that most other abilities become useless, including half the abilities the kiddie mode poster listed as thinking as "cool" abilities.

Again, you just thought you could act clever because you read/knew that insanity is mostly about spamming warp. But your comment made ab****ely no sense in the context of the thread,  and you look like an idiot for making it to anyone who has a clue.

[vhatever]

Qario wrote...

You should take another look at whose the kid here, I'll give you a hint, the immature flamer being proven wrong.
Everybody likes different classes, everybody's entitled to an opinion, but you're just sad. You don't even care about the adept discussion, you appearently simply just failed at playing adept on insanity and now you're flaming people who like the adept class.

LL. You play the god damn game on kiddie mode and tell others with legitimate complaints about a class to ""learn to play", and I'm "the kid" for pointing out your ignorance.

Just take your ass back to shockwave spamming your l33t ass through casual mode and get lost.

[Qario]

vhatever wrote...

Qario wrote...

You should take another look at whose the kid here, I'll give you a hint, the immature flamer being proven wrong.
Everybody likes different classes, everybody's entitled to an opinion, but you're just sad. You don't even care about the adept discussion, you appearently simply just failed at playing adept on insanity and now you're flaming people who like the adept class.

LL. You play the god damn game on kiddie mode and tell others with legitimate complaints about a class to ""learn to play", and I'm "the kid" for pointing out your ignorance.

Just take your ass back to shockwave spamming your l33t ass through casual mode and get lost.

Seems like you don't even read what I wrote, alrdy done it on insanity with sentinel. This is World of Warcraft dude where there are "overpowered" abilites. You got 5 abilities + 1. Each designed to make classes unique and allow for different types of combat....I can say the same thing about that you're a n00b cus of whatever spamming you're doing on whichever class your playing. If you see the classes as inferior or superior to eachother you've missed to whole point of playing this game: TO HAVE FUN AND JUST PLAY HOWEVER WITH WHATEVER YOU LIKE....

I suggest you pull that pole out from your arse, leave this thread, learn the concept of the word 'humility', then come back if you've got anything constructive to say, rather than just flaming....because you're really, really sad, you play this game is if it was a contest....

Modifié par Qario, 05 février 2010 - 02:20 .

[JarodKane]

I didn't think the infiltrator was that powerful at all unless you got the geth sniper rifle on the collector's ship and maxed out an ammo other than that i figured it was pretty level with all the others if not inferior considering the way the vanguard or soldier plays.

[Khavos]

vhatever wrote...

Qario wrote...

You should take another look at whose the kid here, I'll give you a hint, the immature flamer being proven wrong.
Everybody likes different classes, everybody's entitled to an opinion, but you're just sad. You don't even care about the adept discussion, you appearently simply just failed at playing adept on insanity and now you're flaming people who like the adept class.

LL. You play the god damn game on kiddie mode and tell others with legitimate complaints about a class to ""learn to play", and I'm "the kid" for pointing out your ignorance.

Just take your ass back to shockwave spamming your l33t ass through casual mode and get lost.

I take it all back, adept on Insanity clearly is incredibly difficult.  There's no way you'd be nerdraging quite as hard otherwise.  The fact that I found it more tedious rather than more difficult is, of course, irrelevant.  

Get some Doritos and a Mountain Dew or whatever it is that comforts you in these fits and settle down, man.

[vhatever]

Qario wrote...

vhatever wrote...

Qario wrote...

You should take another look at whose the kid here, I'll give you a hint, the immature flamer being proven wrong.
Everybody likes different classes, everybody's entitled to an opinion, but you're just sad. You don't even care about the adept discussion, you appearently simply just failed at playing adept on insanity and now you're flaming people who like the adept class.

LL. You play the god damn game on kiddie mode and tell others with legitimate complaints about a class to ""learn to play", and I'm "the kid" for pointing out your ignorance.

Just take your ass back to shockwave spamming your l33t ass through casual mode and get lost.

Seems like you don't even read what I wrote, alrdy done it on insanity with sentinel. This is World of Warcraft dude where there are "overpowered" abilites. You got 5 abilities + 1. Each designed to make classes unique and allow for different types of combat....I can say the same thing about that you're a n00b cus of whatever spamming you're doing on whichever class your playing. If you see the classes as inferior or superior to eachother you've missed to whole point of playing this game: TO HAVE FUN AND JUST PLAY HOWEVER WITH WHATEVER YOU LIKE....

I suggest you pull that pole out from your arse, leave this thread, learn the concept of the word 'humility', then come back if you've got anything constructive to say, rather than just flaming....because you're really, really sad, you play this game is if it was a contest....

Hey, junior, these are your exact words:

Qario wrote...
People actually think adept is bad? It's the most awesome class, there's a learn2play issue if you think adept is bad.

Save the lecture on humilty on your ipod. WTF sentinel has to do with anything is anyone's guess. Just you attempting to wiggle out of the hole of ignorance you dug for yourself, just like the warp spam idiot.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Why would you give the Infiltrator less ammo?



12-15 bullets is nice (the other SR w/ 60 ammo does sig less damage), You play the infiltrator to use tactical cloak and Sniper rifles, don't talk about nerfing a class just because you think the gameplay is OP.

[Qario]

As I said: Everybody's entitled to an opinion. Of the 3 classes I've played, I found adept to be to most enjoyable. I found the gameplay of the class to be excellent and I was refering to OP's words on people saying the adept was a weak class, thus meaning they haven't learned to play it if they fail with the class. 
You still don't read everything, characteristic of a damn flamer like you... you're so convinced that i only like the adept class when I've said I've played 2 more like 3 times, which I also like very much.
Have you pulled the pole out from your arse yet? or is it too deep? Cus you've got the crappiest attitude I've seen in a long time. Seriously, what you're issue? If you got anything meaningfull to say you wouldn't flame like a damn retarded kid, but write something constuctive... I'm out of this thread.

To OP: regarding the infiltrator, if I compare it to adept or sentinel I wouldn't say it's either easier or more difficult to play as infiltrator, rather than that in certain situations each class has it's benefits and negatives.

[TruBlu82]

I find myself going with sneak and snipe characters in most of the games I play that have that as an option. Oblivion for example: Every time I tried a character build that wasn't focused on ranged stealth assassination I just lost interest and went back to my old build. It's just the play style I'm most comfortable in. It shouldn't be about whether it's easy or difficult anyway, but whether it's enjoyable and satisfying to the player.

[Ingahootz]

@OP

It's not really a matter of Infiltrators being too powerful. I'm clearing Insanity right now with an Adept, having next to no problems. The hardest difficulty in this game is just too easy. Infiltrator just compounds that problem because of all of its damage bonuses plus the Widow. It also has really high survivability thanks to cloak.

People have told me that I'd find the game quite challenging playing an Adept. I'm finding it to be the opposite, and most people believe that Adept is the weakest Insanity class. I think it more or less has to do with cover being too powerful. Infiltrator and Soldier just compound this problem with their incredibly high damage output.

I never really had to use my Infiltrator's cloak defensively. The game never gave me a reason to.

[Psychoray]

Vhatever seems to be on his period today. Meh.

[Malanthor]

Ah christ, grow a ****in brain please. The valid point beeing made here is that MOSt people seem to dislike playing the adept on higher difficulty due to not beeing able to play it as they picture playing an adept should be. If i decide i want to play a d&d wizard and am then informed that i can only use magic missle and my crossbow ill be annoyed too, cause its not what i wanted. Is this so frickin hard to understand?? Its not a matter of class balance as this is a SINGLE PLAYER game, its a matter of having fun with your class and beeing allowed to actually act out the class you choose for yourself. Why are you mongrels so hell bent on disagreeing that biotics could use a fix?

I could start talking of how rediculous it is that all manner of defences negate biotics aswell, its definitly not in line with the universe they have created.



At last to adress something i said further up, balance is an issue too. THe classes should be somewhat similiar in difficulty (not totally) so that people can actually enjoy their chosen class without the game beeing a nighmare or extreme boredom for them.



How hard is it to see the sense in these simple facts.

[refulgentshadow101]

I myself believe the adept is overpowered, in adept hands (see what i did there? ). Despite the fact that enemies' protection has to be stripped before an adept can harness its powers to their full potential, singularity maxed out is formidable. Even enemies who are armoured or wreathed in shields or barriers can be locked down by this ability. Funnel enemies through doors or chokepoints in order to encompass as many enemies as possible in its radius. Then unleash unstable warp or area overloard with your allies, and an immense group of enemies will be stripped of their shield/barriers/armor. This will leave them susceptible to further gunfire or biotic onslaughts. This tactic works especially well on melee enemies such as husks who can easily overwhelm and flank you, as you can lock down whole groups in one singularity. You can also effectively root such enemies as harbringers (damn you!!) by using singularity over and over.



= Overpowered. As for infiltartors, of course they are overpowered. Tactical cloak can be utilised for efficient flanking maneuvers; to divert enemy attention towards your teammates (e.g. on heavy mech battles); to line up head shots; to escape from a barrage of enemy fire or to merely to be used over and over to deal surplus damage to enemies. And that's just one ability.



To make things harder, don't obtain the widow sniper rifle! Instead, select shotgun advanced weapons tarining. It feels good to fade into tactical cloak mode and freaking blast the enemy in its back.