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[newcomplex]

vhatever wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

vhatever wrote...
I agree that overall a widow is better than a viper for an infiltrator. HOWEVER, a vindicator + a viper is >>> widow, assuming you have any decent FPS skills.

 YEAAAAAAA- no.

Not all of us have decent FPS skills. And not all of us play in little kiddie non-insanity mode where a trained chimp could win t3h gam3 where such retarded logic tends to come from.

What are you talking about?    You just asserted that a widow is better if you have good FPs skills, then you refute his statement by saying "not all people have decent FPS skills".

wat da fak?

If you mean the opposite, are you saying that he has bad FPS skills, that doesn't change the fact that a Viper is incapable of outdpsing the Viper.     Period.    Assuming you have the same hit rates.    The only way viper is better is if you consistently MISS half your shots on widow, and just shoot randomly on the rapid fire viper getting a higher hit rate   Literally, it needs to be HALF of them, otherwise the widow still wins out DPS wise.     And you suck quite badly if that is true.   

And even if we assume that the Dominate lasts equally on Adepts and Engineers, it is STILL better on the Adept, becauses Adepts a)lack natural CC of sheilded targets, engineers have drone, singularity only stops movement, and b)Adepts do more damage from biotics.    The most compelling reason is every enemy you fight late game are collectors, which engineers suck against, they have no biotic detonate, while adepts excel.    In that context, adepts do 175% more damage then an engineer can do, with basic spell spam.    That means we rely on spell damage 175% MORE then engineers, so we have much more to gain with dominate, while engineers are better off with warp ammo.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 17 février 2010 - 08:16 .

[vhatever]

newcomplex wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

vhatever wrote...
I agree that overall a widow is better than a viper for an infiltrator. HOWEVER, a vindicator + a viper is >>> widow, assuming you have any decent FPS skills.

 YEAAAAAAA- no.

LOL HAVEN U HEARD IF UR REALLY GOOD AT AIMING VIPER WILL DO MORE DAMAGE THEN IS POSSIBLE

THE GAME WILL THINK UR SO GOOD UR VIPERS GONNA SHOOT FASTER

Viper is however, the special weapon of choise of a adept

If you wanna believe the retards over at that wiki page, go nuts. It's completely innacurate, however. How the hell a weapon that shoots out 250ish points of raw damage a second before facroting in a reload time suddenly drops to 80 damage a second due to 1.5 second reload time is beyond me. Are you the number cruncher for those idiots? You should apply.

Modifié par vhatever, 17 février 2010 - 08:13 .

[Vb Dude]

You sir claim that certain clases such as Adepts have trouble on higher difficulties?
This: http://social.biowar...8/index/1096424
Disproves it, and it is very fun, I assure you

Also every class can do well on higher difficulties, just some have to be more defensive and passive, not aggressive like for example Soldiers.

And I hate it when people do this, why do you complain about classes on a SINGLE PLAYER RPG where something like this does not matter since it is all about having a fun and interesting experience. It's not like in an MMO where it matters if something is OP.
I think the classes are fine, weaker classes can still be very enjoyable, so I wouldn't advise BioWare to nerf anything, they have done everything right with the classes. That is making them enjoyable to play

Modifié par Vb Dude, 17 février 2010 - 08:21 .

[Vb Dude]

Double post, sorry!

Modifié par Vb Dude, 17 février 2010 - 08:16 .

[newcomplex]

vhatever wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

vhatever wrote...
I agree that overall a widow is better than a viper for an infiltrator. HOWEVER, a vindicator + a viper is >>> widow, assuming you have any decent FPS skills.

 YEAAAAAAA- no.

LOL HAVEN U HEARD IF UR REALLY GOOD AT AIMING VIPER WILL DO MORE DAMAGE THEN IS POSSIBLE

THE GAME WILL THINK UR SO GOOD UR VIPERS GONNA SHOOT FASTER

Viper is however, the special weapon of choise of a adept

If you wanna believe the retards over at that wiki page, go nuts. It's completely innacurate, however. How the hell a weapon that shoots out 250ish points of raw damage a second before facroting in a reload time suddenly drops to 80 damage a second due to 1.5 second reload time is beyond me. Are you the number cruncher for those idiots? You should apply.

ugh.    Go Shoot an enemy in the face once with Viper.    It takes out half their sheild, give or take.   Thats consistent with the wiki page.    160 damage, sounds about right.    Go shoot them once with a widow.    They die.   700 damage.    Once again, sounds right.    

See, now I'm showing you evidence and your saying ITS WRONG.   ONLY I AM RITE.    

I mean, the DPS makes sense.    A shot with a viper obviously doesnt take out enemy sheilds in one shot, it takes several.     That means its doing ~120 ish damage, after upgrades.     It shoots once per seconds.    120 dps, or 80 before upgrades.   

I'm done here lol.   Your obviously refusing to listen to logic and evidence.    I can show you mathematical statistics, logic, or actual in game damage (look in your ini if you have the PC version, youll find the damage comfirmed).     You seem to not care.   You have failed to show any solid facts that your right other then I SAID SO. lol.   Continue spamming ur dominate on two enemies with a engineer, and getting geth sheild boost on adepts, and use the viper cuz it does more damage !!11!!! I think you look so rediculous I doubt anyones taking you seriously.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 17 février 2010 - 08:22 .

[TildeMerand]

Personally, the Vanguard makes me wet.



I've always been keen on getting up close. I play Insanity and I personally ABUSE Charge. The few short moments of time shift is effective and always a great laugh.



It's also the perfect "Get away car", It's recharge is so quick, I can generally use, Shoot Shoot Shoot, Use, Shoot Shoot Shoot. Mind you, Being on Insanity I die quickly in groups larger than three.



Vanguards Ftw, Snipers are ******. xD

[vhatever]

newcomplex wrote...

vhatever wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

vhatever wrote...
I agree that overall a widow is better than a viper for an infiltrator. HOWEVER, a vindicator + a viper is >>> widow, assuming you have any decent FPS skills.

 YEAAAAAAA- no.

LOL HAVEN U HEARD IF UR REALLY GOOD AT AIMING VIPER WILL DO MORE DAMAGE THEN IS POSSIBLE

THE GAME WILL THINK UR SO GOOD UR VIPERS GONNA SHOOT FASTER

Viper is however, the special weapon of choise of a adept

If you wanna believe the retards over at that wiki page, go nuts. It's completely innacurate, however. How the hell a weapon that shoots out 250ish points of raw damage a second before facroting in a reload time suddenly drops to 80 damage a second due to 1.5 second reload time is beyond me. Are you the number cruncher for those idiots? You should apply.

ugh.    Go Shoot an enemy in the face once with Viper.    It takes out half their sheild, give or take.   Thats consistent with the wiki page.    160 damage, sounds about right.    Go shoot them once with a widow.    They die.   700 damage.    Once again, sounds right.    

See, now I'm showing you evidence and your saying ITS WRONG.   ONLY I AM RITE.    

I mean, the DPS makes sense.    A shot with a viper obviously doesnt take out enemy sheilds in one shot, it takes several.     That means its doing ~120 ish damage, after upgrades.     It shoots once per seconds.    120 dps, or 80 before upgrades.   

I'm done here lol.   Your obviously refusing to listen to logic and evidence.    I can show you mathematical statistics, logic, or actual in game damage (look in your ini if you have the PC version, youll find the damage comfirmed).     You seem to not care.   You have failed to show any solid facts that your right other then I SAID SO. lol.   Continue spamming ur dominate on two enemies with a engineer, and getting geth sheild boost on adepts, and use the viper cuz it does more damage !!11!!! I think you look so rediculous I doubt anyones taking you seriously.    

look, dumb ass. The firing animation on a widow is slightly less than 1 second, despite being a 1 fire weapon it fires the shot slow. The reload is 1.5 seconds. It's gonna be at least 2.5 seconds between scoped shots  Math on my testing puts it in the 160ish DPS range, which is pretty close to the wiki's, so i'll assume they figured that one out right. The viper fire 4 shots a second. So, in 3 seconds you empty the clip. 12 x 82=  984 damage, but you have to add the 1.5 second reload time. For your take home assignment,  divide 984 by 4.5 and tell me what you get, junior. I bet you it's no where near 80.

Modifié par vhatever, 17 février 2010 - 08:32 .

[Kajan451]

Wintermist wrote...

No need for balance in a single player game anyhow

QFT

[newcomplex]

vhatever wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

vhatever wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

vhatever wrote...
I agree that overall a widow is better than a viper for an infiltrator. HOWEVER, a vindicator + a viper is >>> widow, assuming you have any decent FPS skills.

 YEAAAAAAA- no.

LOL HAVEN U HEARD IF UR REALLY GOOD AT AIMING VIPER WILL DO MORE DAMAGE THEN IS POSSIBLE

THE GAME WILL THINK UR SO GOOD UR VIPERS GONNA SHOOT FASTER

Viper is however, the special weapon of choise of a adept

If you wanna believe the retards over at that wiki page, go nuts. It's completely innacurate, however. How the hell a weapon that shoots out 250ish points of raw damage a second before facroting in a reload time suddenly drops to 80 damage a second due to 1.5 second reload time is beyond me. Are you the number cruncher for those idiots? You should apply.

ugh.    Go Shoot an enemy in the face once with Viper.    It takes out half their sheild, give or take.   Thats consistent with the wiki page.    160 damage, sounds about right.    Go shoot them once with a widow.    They die.   700 damage.    Once again, sounds right.    

See, now I'm showing you evidence and your saying ITS WRONG.   ONLY I AM RITE.    

I mean, the DPS makes sense.    A shot with a viper obviously doesnt take out enemy sheilds in one shot, it takes several.     That means its doing ~120 ish damage, after upgrades.     It shoots once per seconds.    120 dps, or 80 before upgrades.   

I'm done here lol.   Your obviously refusing to listen to logic and evidence.    I can show you mathematical statistics, logic, or actual in game damage (look in your ini if you have the PC version, youll find the damage comfirmed).     You seem to not care.   You have failed to show any solid facts that your right other then I SAID SO. lol.   Continue spamming ur dominate on two enemies with a engineer, and getting geth sheild boost on adepts, and use the viper cuz it does more damage !!11!!! I think you look so rediculous I doubt anyones taking you seriously.    

look, dumb ass. The firing animation on a widow is slightly less than 1 second, despite being a 1 fire weapon it fires the shot slow. The reload is 1.5 seconds. It's gonna be at least 2.5 seconds between scoped shots  Math on my testing puts it in the 160ish DPS range, which is pretty close to the wiki's, so i'll assume they figured that one out right. The viper fire 4 shots a second. So, in 3 seconds you empty the clip. 12 x 82=  984 damage, but you have to add the 1.5 second reload time. For your take home assignment,  divide 984 by 4.5 and tell me what you get, junior. I bet you it's no where near 80.

"You empty the clip in 3 seconds"

WAT THE FAK

Seriously

Stop making **** up.

Man, why do I even respond to you.   

I can't believe I tested that.    lol.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 17 février 2010 - 08:39 .

[vhatever]

newcomplex wrote...

vhatever wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

vhatever wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

vhatever wrote...
I agree that overall a widow is better than a viper for an infiltrator. HOWEVER, a vindicator + a viper is >>> widow, assuming you have any decent FPS skills.

 YEAAAAAAA- no.

LOL HAVEN U HEARD IF UR REALLY GOOD AT AIMING VIPER WILL DO MORE DAMAGE THEN IS POSSIBLE

THE GAME WILL THINK UR SO GOOD UR VIPERS GONNA SHOOT FASTER

Viper is however, the special weapon of choise of a adept

If you wanna believe the retards over at that wiki page, go nuts. It's completely innacurate, however. How the hell a weapon that shoots out 250ish points of raw damage a second before facroting in a reload time suddenly drops to 80 damage a second due to 1.5 second reload time is beyond me. Are you the number cruncher for those idiots? You should apply.

ugh.    Go Shoot an enemy in the face once with Viper.    It takes out half their sheild, give or take.   Thats consistent with the wiki page.    160 damage, sounds about right.    Go shoot them once with a widow.    They die.   700 damage.    Once again, sounds right.    

See, now I'm showing you evidence and your saying ITS WRONG.   ONLY I AM RITE.    

I mean, the DPS makes sense.    A shot with a viper obviously doesnt take out enemy sheilds in one shot, it takes several.     That means its doing ~120 ish damage, after upgrades.     It shoots once per seconds.    120 dps, or 80 before upgrades.   

I'm done here lol.   Your obviously refusing to listen to logic and evidence.    I can show you mathematical statistics, logic, or actual in game damage (look in your ini if you have the PC version, youll find the damage comfirmed).     You seem to not care.   You have failed to show any solid facts that your right other then I SAID SO. lol.   Continue spamming ur dominate on two enemies with a engineer, and getting geth sheild boost on adepts, and use the viper cuz it does more damage !!11!!! I think you look so rediculous I doubt anyones taking you seriously.    

look, dumb ass. The firing animation on a widow is slightly less than 1 second, despite being a 1 fire weapon it fires the shot slow. The reload is 1.5 seconds. It's gonna be at least 2.5 seconds between scoped shots  Math on my testing puts it in the 160ish DPS range, which is pretty close to the wiki's, so i'll assume they figured that one out right. The viper fire 4 shots a second. So, in 3 seconds you empty the clip. 12 x 82=  984 damage, but you have to add the 1.5 second reload time. For your take home assignment,  divide 984 by 4.5 and tell me what you get, junior. I bet you it's no where near 80.

"You empty the clip in 3 seconds"

WAT THE FAK

Seriously

Stop making **** up.

Man, why do I even respond to you.   

I can't believe I tested that.    lol.   

Push duh butt3n willy, willy fast, dumb ass.

Modifié par vhatever, 17 février 2010 - 08:42 .

[newcomplex]

vhatever wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

vhatever wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

vhatever wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

rumination888 wrote...

vhatever wrote...
I agree that overall a widow is better than a viper for an infiltrator. HOWEVER, a vindicator + a viper is >>> widow, assuming you have any decent FPS skills.

 YEAAAAAAA- no.

LOL HAVEN U HEARD IF UR REALLY GOOD AT AIMING VIPER WILL DO MORE DAMAGE THEN IS POSSIBLE

THE GAME WILL THINK UR SO GOOD UR VIPERS GONNA SHOOT FASTER

Viper is however, the special weapon of choise of a adept

If you wanna believe the retards over at that wiki page, go nuts. It's completely innacurate, however. How the hell a weapon that shoots out 250ish points of raw damage a second before facroting in a reload time suddenly drops to 80 damage a second due to 1.5 second reload time is beyond me. Are you the number cruncher for those idiots? You should apply.

ugh.    Go Shoot an enemy in the face once with Viper.    It takes out half their sheild, give or take.   Thats consistent with the wiki page.    160 damage, sounds about right.    Go shoot them once with a widow.    They die.   700 damage.    Once again, sounds right.    

See, now I'm showing you evidence and your saying ITS WRONG.   ONLY I AM RITE.    

I mean, the DPS makes sense.    A shot with a viper obviously doesnt take out enemy sheilds in one shot, it takes several.     That means its doing ~120 ish damage, after upgrades.     It shoots once per seconds.    120 dps, or 80 before upgrades.   

I'm done here lol.   Your obviously refusing to listen to logic and evidence.    I can show you mathematical statistics, logic, or actual in game damage (look in your ini if you have the PC version, youll find the damage comfirmed).     You seem to not care.   You have failed to show any solid facts that your right other then I SAID SO. lol.   Continue spamming ur dominate on two enemies with a engineer, and getting geth sheild boost on adepts, and use the viper cuz it does more damage !!11!!! I think you look so rediculous I doubt anyones taking you seriously.    

look, dumb ass. The firing animation on a widow is slightly less than 1 second, despite being a 1 fire weapon it fires the shot slow. The reload is 1.5 seconds. It's gonna be at least 2.5 seconds between scoped shots  Math on my testing puts it in the 160ish DPS range, which is pretty close to the wiki's, so i'll assume they figured that one out right. The viper fire 4 shots a second. So, in 3 seconds you empty the clip. 12 x 82=  984 damage, but you have to add the 1.5 second reload time. For your take home assignment,  divide 984 by 4.5 and tell me what you get, junior. I bet you it's no where near 80.

"You empty the clip in 3 seconds"

WAT THE FAK

Seriously

Stop making **** up.

Man, why do I even respond to you.   

I can't believe I tested that.    lol.   

Push duh butt3n willy, willy fast, dumb ass.

I am aware of what semiauto means.    And you need to see a doctor if that was 3 seconds.   It was ~6.   Timed it with a skill.   A single shot to the head with the widow kills, and it took me several seconds before I was able to kill a geth getting all headshots.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 17 février 2010 - 08:47 .

[Soruyao]

Ah, it's so refreshing to see your random ad hominem attacks vhateverkins. This forum would be so lonely without you.

[vhatever]

Soruyao wrote...

Ah, it's so refreshing to see your random ad hominem attacks vhateverkins. This forum would be so lonely without you.

Ahh, sourlamo, here to side with the nuckle draggin' morons, your extended family.

[Massadonious1]

[vhatever]

newcomplex wrote...


I am aware of what semiauto means.    And you need to see a doctor if that was 3 seconds.  

Clicking a button 4 times in one second is hard stuff. I hear it takes a whole day to train a chimp to do it.

[Soruyao]

vhatever wrote...

Soruyao wrote...

Ah, it's so refreshing to see your random ad hominem attacks vhateverkins. This forum would be so lonely without you.

Ahh, sourlamo, here to side with the nuckle draggin' morons, your extended family.

Honestly, all of you guys have gone completely off topic.   I don't really care which sniper is better.

But I mean, if people are disagreeing with you about something, there's probably something to it.  

[newcomplex]

vhatever wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


I am aware of what semiauto means.    And you need to see a doctor if that was 3 seconds.  

Clicking a button 4 times in one second is hard stuff. I hear it takes a whole day to train a chimp to do it.

Hey I got an experiment for you.    See how many shots it takes for you to take out an enemy with it.   Just want to know.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 17 février 2010 - 08:49 .

[vhatever]

Soruyao wrote...

vhatever wrote...

Soruyao wrote...

Ah, it's so refreshing to see your random ad hominem attacks vhateverkins. This forum would be so lonely without you.

Ahh, sourlamo, here to side with the nuckle draggin' morons, your extended family.

Honestly, all of you guys have gone completely off topic.   I don't really care which sniper is better.

But I mean, if people are disagreeing with you about something, there's probably something to it.  

I debunk BS. People don't tend to like their BS being debunked. You aren't exactly putting anything back on topic by your stupid,off-tpoic posts, btw.

[newcomplex]

vhatever wrote...

Soruyao wrote...

vhatever wrote...

Soruyao wrote...

Ah, it's so refreshing to see your random ad hominem attacks vhateverkins. This forum would be so lonely without you.

Ahh, sourlamo, here to side with the nuckle draggin' morons, your extended family.

Honestly, all of you guys have gone completely off topic.   I don't really care which sniper is better.

But I mean, if people are disagreeing with you about something, there's probably something to it.  

I debunk BS. People don't tend to like their BS being debunked. You aren't exactly putting anything back on topic by your stupid,off-tpoic posts, btw.

Well you aren't succeeding.    If what your saying is true, theirs still two things to account for.    One is the fact that the viper is minimally modded by cloak.    In fact, it gets 60 damage every 6 seconds.    Cloak isn't even worth using, so were only going to go with incinerate.     Second, your not going to have more then a 2/3 headshot rate.     Their is recoil, and at long distances, you simply cannot ensure every shot headshots with viper.    So you got 240 dps.    Assume you don't miss, not that hard.     240 dps for 4 seconds, 1.5 second reload.   Headshot rate of 2/3    210 damage from incierate (.5 castime).   In 6 seconds, you've done 2500.   Impressive.   No aiming time is factored

Lets try that with widow.     With the widow, i can get off 3 shots and a tactical cloak.    Only thee shots?   Im gonna give us 1.5 seconds for aiming, thats generous.    I can ensure they all headshot, no recoil, no nothing.     378x2x3=2268 damage.    Tactical cloak adding 75% more on a single shot.    That makes +577 damage.    2700+ damage.  

Then we have other factors including how its better to leave cover and one shot enemies then having to stay out of cover shooting enemies for 3 seconds to get kills.  

Modifié par newcomplex, 17 février 2010 - 09:06 .

[vhatever]

newcomplex wrote...

vhatever wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


I am aware of what semiauto means.    And you need to see a doctor if that was 3 seconds.  

Clicking a button 4 times in one second is hard stuff. I hear it takes a whole day to train a chimp to do it.

Hey I got an experiment for you.    See how many shots it takes for you to take out an enemy with it.   Just want to know.   

Uhh, WHAT enemy? A drone? Like 3 shots with cloak.

[Draconis6666]

The viper is ****ing horrible since its ability to actualy kill a target before you forced back into cover is almost non existant while the widow can instantly remove targets from the fight and have you back in cover, the dps argument is pointless since at no point are you able to fire non stop at your maximum rate without getting raped.

[vhatever]

Draconis6666 wrote...

The viper is ****ing horrible since its ability to actualy kill a target before you forced back into cover is almost non existant while the widow can instantly remove targets from the fight and have you back in cover, the dps argument is pointless since at no point are you able to fire non stop at your maximum rate without getting raped.

That's complete BS. A typical encounter is me killing two drones with 1 or 2 shots left in the chamber to reload.You start the fight from cloak, giving you 2 or so seconds of complete invisibility while shooting. that's where FPS skills come in. You don't have the skills, you can't play the game.

Modifié par vhatever, 17 février 2010 - 09:03 .

[Soruyao]

vhatever wrote...

I debunk BS. People don't tend to like their BS being debunked. You aren't exactly putting anything back on topic by your stupid,off-tpoic posts, btw.

I made a nice medium sized post with some actual points in it, trying to get us back on topic.   Everyone ignored it, so I figured, why bother?

[newcomplex]

If what your saying is true, theirs still two things to account for. One is the fact that the viper is minimally modded by cloak. In fact, it gets 60 damage every 6 seconds. Cloak isn't even worth using, so were only going to go with incinerate. Second, your not going to have more then a 2/3 headshot rate. Their is recoil, and at long distances, you simply cannot ensure every shot headshots with viper. So you got 240 dps. Assume you don't miss, not that hard. 240 dps for 4 seconds, 1.5 second reload. Headshot rate of 2/3 210 damage from incierate (.5 castime). In 6 seconds, you've done 2500. Impressive. No aiming time is factored

Lets try that with widow. With the widow, i can get off 3 shots and a tactical cloak. Only thee shots? Im gonna give us 1.5 seconds for aiming, thats generous. I can ensure they all headshot, no recoil, no nothing. 378x2x3=2268 damage. Tactical cloak adding 75% more on a single shot. That makes +577 damage. 2700+ damage.

Then we have other factors including how its better to leave cover and one shot enemies then having to stay out of cover shooting enemies for 3 seconds to get kills.

The only way viper gets better is if you have over an 80% headshot rate, and still not waste ANY TIME AIMING.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 17 février 2010 - 09:08 .

[vhatever]

Now hold up there, junior. This is what everyone does after i completely destroy them in a debate. They try to change the entire argument. You go click back. I said that the viper has higher raw DPS than widow. There are all sorts of other factors to consider when you get into kill rate. Some of them favorable to the widow, others favorable to the viper, and none of them have any relevance to the earlier comment.