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[drunken pyromaniac]

Plus, she looks about as Asian as I look Congolese, which, since I'm of Celtic, Gemanic, and Slavic descent I don't look at all.

[Collider]

Nivenus wrote...

Collider wrote...

I always suspected that Kaidan may have some asian in him.

For some reason, I have too, though I see little evidence for it. Maybe it's the name, though Kaidan, as far as I can tell, is a neologism with no real-life origin.

Black hair, tan skin, the whole singapore thing. Not saying it proves it, but those things may be evidence. Plus Kaidan means "ghost story" in Japanese.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Collider wrote...

Black hair, tan skin, the whole singapore thing. Not saying it proves it, but those things may be evidence. Plus Kaidan means "ghost story" in Japanese.

Asian feature tend to be quite dominant though, He bares no features he couldn't pick up from Spanish or Central or Southern American ancestors though.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 29 avril 2010 - 07:46 .

[Collider]

That's also true pyro.

[Nivenus]

Good point about "kaidan," collider. I'd forgotten that (and I'm taking Japanese!).

Reposted, as it may have gotten lost in the switch of pages.

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Well, I think his mother was just passing through when it happened. All colonies are administerd by the Alliance which I'm guessing would be controlled by the Europeans, North American Union, and perhaps China. Various god's name are fairly common planet names in ME. look at all the Greek names, I don't think they've set up any colonies. lol
She uses terms such as "scuttlebutt" and "bag 'em and tag 'em".Very much American military slang.

My biggest issue with the using voices as an indicator of Earth-ancestor origin is that it puts a very heavy bias in favor of the United North American States - particularly those from the West Coast of the modern US and Canada. I simply don't accept the fact that North America dominates the Alliance that heavily. India and China are more likely to contribute a substantial amount of personnel and resources, given current trends, and Europe should certainly be more prominent. Even if North America did, Mexico should have a much larger representation based on demographic trends than the US and Canada.

Besides Kaidan and Anderson, another good example of a character whose accent clearly has nothing to do with their character is Kasumi. Not only does she have a Japanese name, but she actually refers to herself as Japanese. Realistically, she should be elongating her vowels and slurring her "r"s and "l"s but she doesn't.

But then again, for that matter, I find it highly doubtful that anyone in the ME universe is really speaking modern, North American English. 

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drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Plus, she looks about as Asian as I look Congolese, which, since I'm of Celtic, Gemanic, and Slavic descent I don't look at all.

You misinterpreted me. I said that I'd be willing to say her ancestors (on her father's side) are likely from North America originally. However, Amaterasu sounds to me like a Japanese-dominated and/or run colony, so I imagine she should show Nipponic influence on her speech, even if she herself isn't Japanese ethnically. Similar to how an American born and raised in Japan (rare as that is), would speak Japanese fluently and show Japanese characteristics in their speech.

Modifié par Nivenus, 29 avril 2010 - 07:48 .

[Collider]

I entertain the idea that many humans may speak the galactic trade language.



Also, getting American VA's is easier than getting ones overseas. So it's always going to be an indication of the origins of the character.

[drunken pyromaniac]

North America is rich, it will likely only get richer,money is the source of power. From what I understand, few nations can afford colonies No matter what you want to believe her accent, ethnicity, and slang all indicate North American origin. This isn't a politically correct future where all nations are equal. China, remember is still communist, that bodes poorly for their future. And India has their own problems. Plus, I prefer they're from North America, my prefence is just as valid as yours that they come from all over the world. I don't know why you feel compelled to convert me.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Nivenus wrote...


You misinterpreted me. I said that I'd be willing to say her ancestors (on her father's side) are likely from North America originally. However, Amaterasu sounds to me like a Japanese-dominated and/or run colony, so I imagine she should show Nipponic influence on her speech, even if she herself isn't Japanese ethnically. Similar to how an American born and raised in Japan (rare as that is), would speak Japanese fluently and show Japanese characteristics in their speech.

Who says it's run by Japan? Plus, she wasn't born there, she was born at Vercingetorix outpost, are you now going to say she's French?

[Collider]

You must believe as I do, pyro!

[Nivenus]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Nivenus wrote...


You misinterpreted me. I said that I'd be willing to say her ancestors (on her father's side) are likely from North America originally. However, Amaterasu sounds to me like a Japanese-dominated and/or run colony, so I imagine she should show Nipponic influence on her speech, even if she herself isn't Japanese ethnically. Similar to how an American born and raised in Japan (rare as that is), would speak Japanese fluently and show Japanese characteristics in their speech.

Who says it's run by Japan? Plus, she wasn't born there, she was born at Vercingetorix outpost, are you now going to say she's French?

No one. That's just my guess.

Good point about Vercingetorix though, although that's actually not a French name and most likely just represents military naming protocols.

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drunken pyromaniac wrote...

North America is rich, it will likely only get richer,money is the source of power. From what I understand, few nations can afford colonies No matter what you want to believe her accent, ethnicity, and slang all indicate North American origin. This isn't a politically correct future where all nations are equal. China, remember is still communist, that bodes poorly for their future. And India has their own problems. Plus, I prefer they're from North America, my prefence is just as valid as yours that they come from all over the world. I don't know why you feel compelled to convert me.

All things come to an end. Even American dominance. It's silly to assume otherwise. One hundred years ago, Britain dominated the world. A century before that it was France. Are we really immune to what befell them?

I'm not saying that the US in the 22nd century will be a third world country. Britain's still very important in world affairs. France is as well. But it's not, in my opinion, going to be dominant. And it certainly wouldn't be population-wise. China, India, and (probably, though not yet) Brazil would all outweigh it in population. Even if the UNAS was the most powerful member of the Alliance, it wouldn't be the most populous.

Modifié par Nivenus, 29 avril 2010 - 08:01 .

[Collider]

Really speculative to be honest...and doesn't really prove anything in regards to what religion she is.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Nivenus wrote...

No one. That's just my guess.

Good point about Vercingetorix though, although that's actually not a French name and most likely just represents military naming protocols.

No country runs their own colonies, the Alliance controls them all. And I know about Vercingetorix but he was a Gallic chief and Gaul use to be where France now stands

[drunken pyromaniac]

Nivenus wrote...


All things come to an end. Even American dominance. It's silly to assume otherwise. One hundred years ago, Britain dominated the world. A century before that it was France. Are we really immune to what befell them?

I'm not saying that the US in the 22nd century will be a third world country. Britain's still very important in world affairs. France is as well. But it's not, in my opinion, going to be dominant. And it certainly wouldn't be population-wise. China, India, and (probably, though not yet) Brazil would all outweigh it in population. Even if the UNAS was the most powerful member of the Alliance, it wouldn't be the most populous.

Thank you very much for the lecture. I would never figure that out on my own.
All I'm saying is that numbers does not mean power, especially when those countries have some severe problems of their own. The countrie's power doen't matter anymore. Their richness does. Guess who has all the dough.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 29 avril 2010 - 08:07 .

[Nivenus]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Nivenus wrote...

No one. That's just my guess.

Good point about Vercingetorix though, although that's actually not a French name and most likely just represents military naming protocols.

No country runs their own colonies, the Alliance controls them all.

Incorrect, actually. For instance, a Mexican-backed (Mexico itself a part of the UNAS) corporation went bankrupt attempting to colonize Klensal. I believe there are other references in the game to colonies that are run by member states of the Alliance.

I think it's a case of both. Members can settle their own colonies but the Alliance is also free to form its own colonies that are under its direct control. And, of course, members are themselves subject to Alliance law.

EDIT: In regards to who plays the largest part in the Alliance, I'll just agree to disagree with you. I really don't believe in the slightest that North America dominates the sphere of space exploration as strongly as you seem to imply (it doesn't even for that matter now, in the present), because it's ranging off-topic.

Modifié par Nivenus, 29 avril 2010 - 08:09 .

[drunken pyromaniac]

Nivenus wrote...

Incorrect, actually. For instance, a Mexican-backed (Mexico itself a part of the UNAS) corporation went bankrupt attempting to colonize Klensal. I believe there are other references in the game to colonies that are run by member states of the Alliance.

I think it's a case of both. Members can settle their own colonies but the Alliance is also free to form its own colonies that are under its direct control. And, of course, members are themselves subject to Alliance law.

EDIT: In regards to who plays the largest part in the Alliance, I'll just agree to disagree with you. I really don't believe in the slightest that North America dominates the sphere of space exploration as strongly as you seem to imply (it doesn't even for that matter now, in the present), because it's ranging off-topic.

Corporations/=Goverments
I just don't know why you seem so insistant on saying all the characters must be from all these differnt countries when the answers right in front of your face. Why must I agree with you!?

I don't believe North America will be dominant but I certainly don't see anyone else truly eclipsing the combined might of Canada, the US and Mexico by that time either.

[Nivenus]

You needn't, which is why I dropped the topic.

[Lord Zeuss]

Got some more Ashley support from that dank pit of blackest Ashley-hate:



"It's SO cool to *at last* see some nice Ash-Shep art. She's my fav character from ME1 and I totally can't understand the amount of hate she gets from ME community. Great character. Not perfect as a person maybe but who is? Imho people tend to exaggerate her distrust for aliens and I have no idea why some call her "religious zealot". Those who do probably have never seen one ;-)"

[Jhourney]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Got some more Ashley support from that dank pit of blackest Ashley-hate:

"It's SO cool to *at last* see some nice Ash-Shep art. She's my fav character from ME1 and I totally can't understand the amount of hate she gets from ME community. Great character. Not perfect as a person maybe but who is? Imho people tend to exaggerate her distrust for aliens and I have no idea why some call her "religious zealot". Those who do probably have never seen one ;-)"

Some people are just way too easily intimidated or read too much into stuff. I've seen both Ash and Kaidan being called all sorts of crazy things that often make me wonder what game some folks are playing lol

Anyway just saying hi from the Kaidan thread

[Funkcase]

I see people where aruging about what country dominates the Alliance....Why? I thought the Alliance was like the UN. You know the United nations...

[Lord Zeuss]

Funkcase wrote...

I see people where aruging about what country dominates the Alliance....Why? I thought the Alliance was like the UN. You know the United nations...

Obviously not, because the Alliance gets things done every once in a while.

[RazerPhoenix]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

I see people where aruging about what country dominates the Alliance....Why? I thought the Alliance was like the UN. You know the United nations...

Obviously not, because the Alliance gets things done every once in a while.

:lol:

[Funkcase]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

I see people where aruging about what country dominates the Alliance....Why? I thought the Alliance was like the UN. You know the United nations...

Obviously not, because the Alliance gets things done every once in a while.

Lol, well i did'nt say they where perfect