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[VutaatVerd]

epoch_ wrote...

Fiannawolf wrote...

Honestly I was hoping Ash was going to rifle butt my Tamir Shepard over the head at Horizion and Specternap me from Cerberus, ahh well, one can dream!

I would have gone willingly

I'm sure the alliance would have loved to have me back.

after they helped cover up the "Ah yes the Reapers" I don't know.

[ashlover mark 2]

sooooooo......any lurkers????

[Lord Zeuss]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

trust me..when u like the lore of a game as much as i do..u start to want anything no matter what it is and about who.....except Kasumi and Zaeed(the ones with the flying ship don't count for me) we only got weapons and armor and equipment...i...never use them...i use the classic armor...the assault weapon and no visors...so all the DLCs are useless to me

i undertsand,i have an addictive personality when i find something i like im constantly looking for more thats why im kindve mad that ME3 wont be out for so long,i cant wait too get back in the universe. BUT that just dosnt mean im going too be happy just cuz bioware pushs out a 30 min DLC all about a charecter who already has her own comic and can appear in all the books and spin offs becuz she cant be killied in game,while ashley is still getting nothing.i think liaras whole shadow broker plot is getting waaaay overated.but thats just becuz ash has been MIA for so long now that i really dont care about any of the other charecters right now.

I feel. Your. Pain. Liara has *plenty* of spotlight even without DLC. She'll probably get the next Iphone mini-game.

I'm not asking for a whole lot, I'm just asking that the rest of us ME1 loyalists be acknowledged every once in a while, even if the object of our affection did not have blue skin.

[ashlover mark 2]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

trust me..when u like the lore of a game as much as i do..u start to want anything no matter what it is and about who.....except Kasumi and Zaeed(the ones with the flying ship don't count for me) we only got weapons and armor and equipment...i...never use them...i use the classic armor...the assault weapon and no visors...so all the DLCs are useless to me

i undertsand,i have an addictive personality when i find something i like im constantly looking for more thats why im kindve mad that ME3 wont be out for so long,i cant wait too get back in the universe. BUT that just dosnt mean im going too be happy just cuz bioware pushs out a 30 min DLC all about a charecter who already has her own comic and can appear in all the books and spin offs becuz she cant be killied in game,while ashley is still getting nothing.i think liaras whole shadow broker plot is getting waaaay overated.but thats just becuz ash has been MIA for so long now that i really dont care about any of the other charecters right now.

I feel. Your. Pain. Liara has *plenty* of spotlight even without DLC. She'll probably get the next Iphone mini-game.

I'm not asking for a whole lot, I'm just asking that the rest of us ME1 loyalists be acknowledged every once in a while, even if the object of our affection did not have blue skin.

yea you kno realisticly ash is a big part of the MEU lore i mean her grandad was in command of the troops that fought the first battles in the first contact war which is a big part of galactic history.no offnse too any bodys fav charecters here but who the hell is tali some random qaurian whose fathher is some admiral in some run down fleet,liaras mother is some random matriach whoe has like 20 mins of screen time,mirandas dad is some unknown rich guy.Ashley family is an intergal part of the story.yet she cant even show up and get her own DLC.

[Lord Zeuss]

yorkj86 wrote...

Hi.  Liarafan, Jackolyte and Samaratan here.

I don't care what anyone says.  Ashley is beautiful, and her character does not suck.  She can serve as a friend, romantic interest, and a representative of human-centric (not to be confused with anthropocentric) thought.  She can also be influenced by a Paragon Shepard in to changing her mind about aliens, as evidenced by the announcement you can hear abou her, on the Citadel in ME2.

Lastly, educated soldiers are hot.

I hope she gets a much bigger part in ME3.

Hey there! Thanks for the support!

[VutaatVerd]

yorkj86 wrote...

Lastly, educated soldiers are hot.

So true it is.

[Lord Zeuss]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

KendallX23 wrote...

trust me..when u like the lore of a game as much as i do..u start to want anything no matter what it is and about who.....except Kasumi and Zaeed(the ones with the flying ship don't count for me) we only got weapons and armor and equipment...i...never use them...i use the classic armor...the assault weapon and no visors...so all the DLCs are useless to me

i undertsand,i have an addictive personality when i find something i like im constantly looking for more thats why im kindve mad that ME3 wont be out for so long,i cant wait too get back in the universe. BUT that just dosnt mean im going too be happy just cuz bioware pushs out a 30 min DLC all about a charecter who already has her own comic and can appear in all the books and spin offs becuz she cant be killied in game,while ashley is still getting nothing.i think liaras whole shadow broker plot is getting waaaay overated.but thats just becuz ash has been MIA for so long now that i really dont care about any of the other charecters right now.

I feel. Your. Pain. Liara has *plenty* of spotlight even without DLC. She'll probably get the next Iphone mini-game.

I'm not asking for a whole lot, I'm just asking that the rest of us ME1 loyalists be acknowledged every once in a while, even if the object of our affection did not have blue skin.

yea you kno realisticly ash is a big part of the MEU lore i mean her grandad was in command of the troops that fought the first battles in the first contact war which is a big part of galactic history.no offnse too any bodys fav charecters here but who the hell is tali some random qaurian whose fathher is some admiral in some run down fleet,liaras mother is some random matriach whoe has like 20 mins of screen time,mirandas dad is some unknown rich guy.Ashley family is an intergal part of the story.yet she cant even show up and get her own DLC.

I think Ashley's family ties are about comparably important to the story (universe) as are Liara's (unless, of course, Liara turns out to be the immaculately-conceived child of the Prime Reaper...). What bothers me is the obviety of Bioware's fixation with Liara to the neglect of other characters (who I consider more interesting).

[SpiderFan1217]

VutaatVerd wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Lastly, educated soldiers are hot.

So true it is.

  Smart and in a uniform. 

[Jhon Flash]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

 (unless, of course, Liara turns out to be the immaculately-conceived child of the Prime Reaper...).

What?

[RazerPhoenix]

I've been lurking most of the day, but judging from some of the recent comments I've read am I the only person who doesn't hate Cerberus or mind working for them?

While I do not agree with some of their methods or some of the things they may have done, at the end of the day they are the only ones who are willing to support me against the reapers and help not just protect humanity but the rest of the galaxy at the same time.

You would have thought after everything you had done for the Alliance and the Council, that they would listen to you, or at least show you a little respect, but no, they toss you aside and dismiss you as a crazy lunatic.

Even Anderson, someone you would have considered a friend won't even help you out, even sending Ash/Kaidan to investigate you and Cerberus.

So quite frankly screw the Alliance, what exactly have they being doing to help protect the human colonies?

Modifié par RazerPhoenix, 05 mai 2010 - 09:30 .

[Lord Zeuss]

I've started a thread on the Ashley support group on the topic of how should we recruit her in ME3? Given the inept handling both the Virmire Survivors received in ME2, I think us fans who are infinitely superior in our intellectual faculties should give Bioware a hand.

[VutaatVerd]

RazerPhoenix wrote...

I've been lurking most of the day, but judging from some of the recent comments I've read am I the only person who doesn't hate Cerberus or mind working for them?

While I do not agree with some of their methods or some of the things they may have done, at the end of the day they are the only ones who are willing to support me against the reapers and help not just protect humanity but the rest of the galaxy at the same time.

You would have thought after everything you had done for the Alliance and the Council, that they would listen to you, or at least show you a little respect, but no, they toss you aside and dismiss you as a crazy lunatic.

Even Anderson, someone you would have considered a friend won't even help you out, even sending Ash/Kaidan to investigate you and Cerberus.

So quite frankly screw the Alliance, what exactly have they being doing to help protect the human colonies?

Think I'm almost to the point of saying F' it and go Renegade (not the path) on Cerberus, Alliance and Council. Alliance and Council want to dismiss all claims. I just do not like the way Cerberus is ran and the way some of the cells work. Shepard has always done what is right to save as may people with taking the fewest lives(if possible). He/she should not even really need Cerberus, Alliance or the Council at this point.

[Lord Zeuss]

RazerPhoenix wrote...

I've been lurking most of the day, but judging from some of the recent comments I've read am I the only person who doesn't hate Cerberus or mind working for them?

While I do not agree with some of their methods or some of the things they may have done, at the end of the day they are the only ones who are willing to support me against the reapers and help not just protect humanity but the rest of the galaxy at the same time.

You would have thought after everything you had done for the Alliance and the Council, that they would listen to you, or at least show you a little respect, but no, they toss you aside and dismiss you as a crazy lunatic.

Even Anderson, someone you would have considered a friend won't even help you out, even sending Ash/Kaidan to investigate you and Cerberus.

So quite frankly screw the Alliance, what exactly have they being doing to help protect the human colonies?

Their motivations and goals are not necessarily evil or malpurposed, and a lot of the actual people in Cerberus seem like very nice, well-intentioned people who would never dream of walking into an alien bar or an alien school with bombs strapped to their chest. The crew of Normandy SR-2 did not come across as fanatics at all, but rather honest people who were trying to do the right thing for their families, themselves, and even mankind.

In comes in the cell structure of Cerberus, and the Illusive Man. Cell structuring means that you can have one cell that is doing noble, commendable work to an honorable end, and another that is conducting horrific experiments on live subjects for some vague gain that is far outweighed by its horrendous cost. Neither cell knows of the other's existence, except for certain key individuals. Then there is the Illusive Man, who quite obviously lacks any sort of moral meter. He is not wrong for wanting to stop the Reapers, his problem is that often his means are not appreciably better than the Reapers.

I don't hate Cerberus as an entity, by this point they proven not only vital, but intrinsically needed. I was as honored to command SR-2 and its crew as I was the original Normandy. But I do not like, approve of, or condone the Illusive Man's at any cost mentality. Most people, when they say 'at any cost' still have a line they will not cross. The Illusive Man has no such line; he is driven entirely by the rigid lines of logic and algorithm. He is a human machine, lacking ethical judgment of any kind.

So I have no problem working with the Cerberus crew, and I'm sure as heck grateful for being brought back from the dead by Lazarus Cell. I like Miranda because she is capable of processing information on an ethical level, if rarely and selectively. The Illusive Man has demonstrated no such ability.

[Jhon Flash]

RazerPhoenix wrote...

I've been lurking most of the day, but judging from some of the recent comments I've read am I the only person who doesn't hate Cerberus or mind working for them?

While I do not agree with some of their methods or some of the things they may have done, at the end of the day they are the only ones who are willing to support me against the reapers and help not just protect humanity but the rest of the galaxy at the same time.

You would have thought after everything you had done for the Alliance and the Council, that they would listen to you, or at least show you a little respect, but no, they toss you aside and dismiss you as a crazy lunatic.

Even Anderson, someone you would have considered a friend won't even help you out, even sending Ash/Kaidan to investigate you and Cerberus.

So quite frankly screw the Alliance, what exactly have they being doing to help protect the human colonies?

While I don't disagree with your assesment of the Alliance or the council I do hate Cerberus. Yes they are the only ones willing to help but that's because humans are at riskwould they have given Shep. a ship and said go do your thing if it was just Turians?

[RazerPhoenix]

Jhon Flash wrote...
While I don't disagree with your assesment of the Alliance or the council I do hate Cerberus. Yes they are the only ones willing to help but that's because humans are at riskwould they have given Shep. a ship and said go do your thing if it was just Turians?

Probably not, but by the same example I didn't see any Turian, Salarian, Quarian groups jump in to assist with humanitys problems of our colonies being attacked! <_<

[Jhon Flash]

I should have clarified that I do appreciate the crew and I hope they stay with me when I take the Normandy.

[Jhon Flash]

RazerPhoenix wrote...

Jhon Flash wrote...
While I don't disagree with your assesment of the Alliance or the council I do hate Cerberus. Yes they are the only ones willing to help but that's because humans are at riskwould they have given Shep. a ship and said go do your thing if it was just Turians?

Probably not, but by the same example I didn't see any Turian, Salarian, Quarian groups jump in to assist with humanitys problems of our colonies being attacked! <_<

Very true. Shepard and his team seem to be the least species centric people out their.

[VutaatVerd]

Night all I'm heading out.

[Nivenus]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Their motivations and goals are not necessarily evil or malpurposed, and a lot of the actual people in Cerberus seem like very nice, well-intentioned people who would never dream of walking into an alien bar or an alien school with bombs strapped to their chest. The crew of Normandy SR-2 did not come across as fanatics at all, but rather honest people who were trying to do the right thing for their families, themselves, and even mankind.

In comes in the cell structure of Cerberus, and the Illusive Man. Cell structuring means that you can have one cell that is doing noble, commendable work to an honorable end, and another that is conducting horrific experiments on live subjects for some vague gain that is far outweighed by its horrendous cost. Neither cell knows of the other's existence, except for certain key individuals. Then there is the Illusive Man, who quite obviously lacks any sort of moral meter. He is not wrong for wanting to stop the Reapers, his problem is that often his means are not appreciably better than the Reapers.

I don't hate Cerberus as an entity, by this point they proven not only vital, but intrinsically needed. I was as honored to command SR-2 and its crew as I was the original Normandy. But I do not like, approve of, or condone the Illusive Man's at any cost mentality. Most people, when they say 'at any cost' still have a line they will not cross. The Illusive Man has no such line; he is driven entirely by the rigid lines of logic and algorithm. He is a human machine, lacking ethical judgment of any kind.

So I have no problem working with the Cerberus crew, and I'm sure as heck grateful for being brought back from the dead by Lazarus Cell. I like Miranda because she is capable of processing information on an ethical level, if rarely and selectively. The Illusive Man has demonstrated no such ability.

I think Cerberus is, as a whole, a deeply morally troubled organization to say the least, which has committed numerous crimes against humanity (Akuze, Jack, the husk experiments, etc.) and non-humans alike (their attack on the Flotilla in Ascension). Not only that but they must have done something pretty nasty to get kicked out of the Alliance military black ops programs. I think Ashley's condemnation of them is wholly deserved. 

That being said, most of the people you work with in ME2 from Cerberus aren't that bad. Miranda's an apologist and morally gray and I'd go so far as to say TIM is downright evil, but Jacob's a fairly well-meaning guy who seems to be aware of Cerberus' crimes but has, for better or worse, chosen to overlook them. Kelly, for her part, seems just plain naive.

I think what you said about TIM being able to do different things with different cells is largely true. The Lazarus Cell, in a way, is his PR cell. Sure, it's main purpose is to take down the Collectors but he assuredly has other cells working at that as well (such as the one tearing apart the derelict Reaper). But whereas people can look at Cerberus' actions in Ascension or ME1 and easily condemn them, it becomes a lot harder to call Cerberus the bad guys when they have a bonafide war hero working  for them, assembling a team of non-humans, and supported by very moderate Cerberus operatives like Miranda, Jacob, and Kelly.

Cerberus is still evil or at the very least very morally gray at the end of the day. But they have you to put a good face on their works and, at the end of the game, you have a chance to possibly subvert TIM's plans.

[jason9880]

yorkj86 wrote...

...snip...

She can also be influenced by a Paragon Shepard in to changing her mind about aliens, as evidenced by the announcement you can hear abou her, on the Citadel in ME2.

What is this? I thought I heard all the announcements, I don't remember anything about Ashley.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Hello everyone. Looks pretty dead around here.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

I was all alone ....Had no one to torture

You posted like 5 minutes before me.