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[axdorffe]

you know...... getting pegged? shes the pitcher hes the catcher

[DarthRic]

Badpie wrote...

DarthRic wrote...

axdorffe wrote...

well i just hope they make her a little more submissive and loving to shepard and not so manly in ME3.

Ash submissive? Well anything is possable I guess

Not this.  She even told Shepard she wouldn't be submissive right before sexing him up.

  Nothnig wrong with a woman who takes charge.  Although I believe she called it "give and take."

Yeah Ash wouldn't be the same character without her "I don't need a man to make me happy" attitude
Also we never found out what she was going to tell Sheperd after the Ilos mission

[Badpie]

axdorffe wrote...

you know...... getting pegged? shes the pitcher hes the catcher

Maybe YOUR Shep is a catcher, but mine sure isn't. 

[mcvxiii]

Badpie wrote...
You're missing the point.  Ash isn't "submissive."  She's not some timid little wallflower who needs Shepard to validate her existence by paying attention to her.    Just because she's got a mouth on her and a take no bull**** attitude doesn't mean she's "manly."  Like I said if you want a submissive lapdog, romance Tali.

Did you play the game with Shepard being male or female? With the male Shepard Ashely is indeed looking for approval and validation from him constantly. Her smart-mouth and "take no bull**** attitude" is all an act for self-preservation. Damn I sort of made her sound like she has more depth than her character actually had.   

[epoch_]

Apparently I can transfer group leadership. Anyone want it? Its got 158 members.

[Antbrawler]

DarthRic wrote...

Badpie wrote...

DarthRic wrote...

axdorffe wrote...

well i just hope they make her a little more submissive and loving to shepard and not so manly in ME3.

Ash submissive? Well anything is possable I guess

Not this.  She even told Shepard she wouldn't be submissive right before sexing him up.

  Nothnig wrong with a woman who takes charge.  Although I believe she called it "give and take."

Yeah Ash wouldn't be the same character without her "I don't need a man to make me happy" attitude
Also we never found out what she was going to tell Sheperd after the Ilos mission

Not needing a man just makes her even better imo, it means she's not one of those attention seekers, and actually gives you more of an opportunity to discover her real, deep personality.

[Myrmedus]

Don't like her character. She has way too many bad character traits for the positives to equal it out...she's the type of woman I'd steer clear of in real life or end up punching.



FEMALE BATTERY!

[axdorffe]

haha well im just saying..... ashley likes to be in control...... she seems to be a little more aggressive then jenny from the block......wow now i know what the devs were doing..... making gigli part 2

[Badpie]

mcvxiii wrote...

Badpie wrote...
You're missing the point.  Ash isn't "submissive."  She's not some timid little wallflower who needs Shepard to validate her existence by paying attention to her.    Just because she's got a mouth on her and a take no bull**** attitude doesn't mean she's "manly."  Like I said if you want a submissive lapdog, romance Tali.

Did you play the game with Shepard being male or female? With the male Shepard Ashely is indeed looking for approval and validation from him constantly. Her smart-mouth and "take no bull**** attitude" is all an act for self-preservation. Damn I sort of made her sound like she has more depth than her character actually had.   

It's interesting you say that.  And you are correct.  Ash IS seeking approval.  She does have a need for approval from strong male authority figures (stemming from her daddy issues).  She can take care of herself, but you are partially right in thinking that some of the take no crap attitude is a front she puts on to shield herself.  Again, it's just another thing that made her character awesome and more interesting and real.

But you only get to know this if you get to know her well enough.

Modifié par Badpie, 05 février 2010 - 05:10 .

[DigitalMaster37]

jlb524 wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

People supporting Ashley seriously?

If you don't support Ashley Williams, don't post in the 'Ashley Williams support thread'.

I personally don't support either Tali or Garrus as squad mates in ME3, but I don't spam their support threads.  It's disrespectful.

well said Jlb. We are the more mature ones. that again alludes to my talk about Tali and the "pre-schoolers". They have this militant disposition that says, "everyone should like Tali" and they are sorely mistaken. But that is the trait of children and grown ups with the self discipline of a pig with diarhea, they just poop all over the place without any control over it. (I didn't mean to find the most disgusting example, but I think it drives home the point best)

[DarthRic]

epoch_ wrote...

Apparently I can transfer group leadership. Anyone want it? Its got 158 members.

I would but I already have 1 group, managing 2 might be problematic

[jlb524]

epoch_ wrote...

yeah, thats the rumor


Is there anyway to transfer group leadership? I don't have feelings for Ash anymore.

Probably...I wouldn't know how though.   If you really want to, you could PM a dev.

Edit:  nvm, you already figured it out.

Modifié par jlb524, 05 février 2010 - 05:12 .

[trigger2kill1]

For those of you who like Ash I believe we will see more of her in the future. She has connections in the Alliance now. I imagine at the very least we will need her help to bring them on board for the final battle. In my game she forgave me for what happened on Horizon, so with that in mind I expect that we will get to have her as a major ally for ME3.

[Badpie]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...


well said Jlb. We are the more mature ones. that again alludes to my talk about Tali and the "pre-schoolers". They have this militant disposition that says, "everyone should like Tali" and they are sorely mistaken. But that is the trait of children and grown ups with the self discipline of a pig with diarhea, they just poop all over the place without any control over it. (I didn't mean to find the most disgusting example, but I think it drives home the point best)

Woah.  Easy there, Delta. 

We're all friends here.

....cept that one guy 

[Antbrawler]

Badpie wrote...

mcvxiii wrote...

Badpie wrote...
You're missing the point.  Ash isn't "submissive."  She's not some timid little wallflower who needs Shepard to validate her existence by paying attention to her.    Just because she's got a mouth on her and a take no bull**** attitude doesn't mean she's "manly."  Like I said if you want a submissive lapdog, romance Tali.

Did you play the game with Shepard being male or female? With the male Shepard Ashely is indeed looking for approval and validation from him constantly. Her smart-mouth and "take no bull**** attitude" is all an act for self-preservation. Damn I sort of made her sound like she has more depth than her character actually had.   

It's interesting you say that.  And you are correct.  Ash IS seeking approval.  She does have a need for approval from strong male authority figures (stemming from her daddy issues).  She can take care of herself, but you are partially right in thinking that some of the take no crap attitude is a front she puts on to shield herself.  Again, it's just another thing that made her character awesome and more interesting and real.

So true, this is why im my opinion she is definately one of the deepest and best thought out characters in the game, people overlook all these factors behind the ways she behaves and just disregard her for stupid reasons, when they fail to invest in actually exploring her character, im sure alot more people would love her if they took the time to understand her, she is indeed one of the most interesting and real characters and that helps in forming an attachment with her.

[epoch_]

jlb524 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

yeah, thats the rumor


Is there anyway to transfer group leadership? I don't have feelings for Ash anymore.

Probably...I wouldn't know how though.   If you really want to, you could PM a dev.

Edit:  nvm, you already figured it out.

I figured it out. I'm just waiting for someone to want it.

[Badpie]

Antbrawler wrote...

Badpie wrote...

mcvxiii wrote...

Badpie wrote...
You're missing the point.  Ash isn't "submissive."  She's not some timid little wallflower who needs Shepard to validate her existence by paying attention to her.    Just because she's got a mouth on her and a take no bull**** attitude doesn't mean she's "manly."  Like I said if you want a submissive lapdog, romance Tali.

Did you play the game with Shepard being male or female? With the male Shepard Ashely is indeed looking for approval and validation from him constantly. Her smart-mouth and "take no bull**** attitude" is all an act for self-preservation. Damn I sort of made her sound like she has more depth than her character actually had.   

It's interesting you say that.  And you are correct.  Ash IS seeking approval.  She does have a need for approval from strong male authority figures (stemming from her daddy issues).  She can take care of herself, but you are partially right in thinking that some of the take no crap attitude is a front she puts on to shield herself.  Again, it's just another thing that made her character awesome and more interesting and real.

So true, this is why im my opinion she is definately one of the deepest and best thought out characters in the game, people overlook all these factors behind the ways she behaves and just disregard her for stupid reasons, when they fail to invest in actually exploring her character, im sure alot more people would love her if they took the time to understand her, she is indeed one of the most interesting and real characters and that helps in forming an attachment with her.

I guess if you only scratch the surface I could see why some people are put off by Ash.  She's not the most complacent individual and she does speak before she thinks sometimes.  For me though, once I got to know her that became part of her adorable charm.

[DigitalMaster37]

epoch_ wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

yeah, thats the rumor


Is there anyway to transfer group leadership? I don't have feelings for Ash anymore.

Probably...I wouldn't know how though.   If you really want to, you could PM a dev.

Edit:  nvm, you already figured it out.

I figured it out. I'm just waiting for someone to want it.

If it makes you feel better, If this was a Liara group you were giving away, I'd take it, but I'm not really in the mood to run a group...

[LightweightJustice]

http://www.penny-arc...comic/2010/2/1/

[Spectre_Shepard]

axdorffe wrote...

well i just hope they make her a little more submissive and loving to shepard and not so manly in ME3.

submissive? What? Hells no. Her aggression is perhaps my favorite quality. People seem to be turned off by that, but I love the fact that she's got guts. I want her in my face, letting me know what she really thinks. Submissive? Blasphemy.

[jlb524]

epoch_ wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

yeah, thats the rumor


Is there anyway to transfer group leadership? I don't have feelings for Ash anymore.

Probably...I wouldn't know how though.   If you really want to, you could PM a dev.

Edit:  nvm, you already figured it out.

I figured it out. I'm just waiting for someone to want it.

Well, if no one else wants it, I'll take it. 

[DigitalMaster37]

Badpie wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...


well said Jlb. We are the more mature ones. that again alludes to my talk about Tali and the "pre-schoolers". They have this militant disposition that says, "everyone should like Tali" and they are sorely mistaken. But that is the trait of children and grown ups with the self discipline of a pig with diarhea, they just poop all over the place without any control over it. (I didn't mean to find the most disgusting example, but I think it drives home the point best)

Woah.  Easy there, Delta. 

We're all friends here.

....cept that one guy 

LOL, yeah I think I did get carried away, but IMO, there are too many people who take the Tali fan thing as an offense when it is really funny in a way. And most, not all of her fans are crazy and plenty immature. But I learned not to get all involved in petty wars, so I am trying to free people from getting so defensive of their LI against people who want to attack them. The onese attacking are showing their lack of character and their full tank of stupidy.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

JaegerBane wrote...

NewMessageN00b wrote...

They should indeed make her come back, but the scene on Horizon, where she just got loaded from the hard disk into memory and positioned to the left of the camera and was made to follow a walk animation with some useless information puke coming out of her mouth (as in B... no... Z grade movies)...

Well, that scene just sucked.

I don't think the scene 'sucked' per se, but I was appalled by Ash's behaviour. Shep has literally been forced back to life, thrust back into the frontline, forced to work with a dubious group he doesn't trust, but he does it without complaint or whining because he refuses to give up fighting.

Now Ash comes on, not even bothering to welcome him back properly, and tells him to take a hike, throwing in 'traitor' with the whole thing too - while he's out here fighting for his species' survival. As far as I'm concerned she can take her email and shove it up her bot.

Indeed. I don't think the scene "sucked." I think it was wonderfully done from a writing and directing standpoint, actually. What sucked (for Shephard and thus the player) was how Ash, the one person who Shepherd bared everything to, the one person he loved enough to sacrifice a good and sympathetic friend for... What sucked was how she didn't trust him. Garrus trusted him. Tali trusted him. Joker and even Chakwas all trusted him, and with less compelling reasons than Ash. If there's anyone who should trust Shep, it should be Ashley. I could accept her having found someone else, or her having duties that preclude her being in the Shephard's Suicide Squad, but I can't accept the lack of trust.

When push comes to shove, she just doesn't trust him. She talks about how he's a traitor because he's working with Cerberus, even though she has no idea of why he's working with Cerberus. Shep deserved a chance to explain himself, and he deserved the benefit of the doubt. Ashley gave him neither. It's particularly dissapointing because Shep was the first person to actually look beyond her ancestry and recognize that she's a very skilled and courageous woman. In her own words, he's the first one who made her feel good enough. He trusted her to watch his back, and I think he really deserved a little trust in return. 

Which is why this Shephard found comfort in Kelly's arms after Horizon. She's adorable and rediculously loving, and is the perfect rebound for Shep after having his heart squeezed out and left to rot. An email apologizing just doesn't cut it for healing the emotions that my Shep doubtlessly felt when Ash abandoned him. And through it all, he still keeps her picture on his desk, and he even looked at it fondly when he was flying through the relay. 

That being said, I think Ash should definitely show up in ME3, to provide some closure if nothing else.  

[trigger2kill1]

Badpie question... How can you have Ash, Kaiden on a squad again we were forced to choose between one or the other at Virmire and well a clone would solve some of those problems but not all. The only way would be to add dlc for ME1 so we could pick another martyr. your solution....?
Delta feel free to add your 2 cents if you would. For that matter anyone else in that Ash, Kaiden, liara club.
Thanks

Modifié par trigger2kill1, 05 février 2010 - 05:26 .

[Antbrawler]

Badpie wrote...

Antbrawler wrote...

Badpie wrote...

mcvxiii wrote...

Badpie wrote...
You're missing the point.  Ash isn't "submissive."  She's not some timid little wallflower who needs Shepard to validate her existence by paying attention to her.    Just because she's got a mouth on her and a take no bull**** attitude doesn't mean she's "manly."  Like I said if you want a submissive lapdog, romance Tali.

Did you play the game with Shepard being male or female? With the male Shepard Ashely is indeed looking for approval and validation from him constantly. Her smart-mouth and "take no bull**** attitude" is all an act for self-preservation. Damn I sort of made her sound like she has more depth than her character actually had.   

It's interesting you say that.  And you are correct.  Ash IS seeking approval.  She does have a need for approval from strong male authority figures (stemming from her daddy issues).  She can take care of herself, but you are partially right in thinking that some of the take no crap attitude is a front she puts on to shield herself.  Again, it's just another thing that made her character awesome and more interesting and real.

So true, this is why im my opinion she is definately one of the deepest and best thought out characters in the game, people overlook all these factors behind the ways she behaves and just disregard her for stupid reasons, when they fail to invest in actually exploring her character, im sure alot more people would love her if they took the time to understand her, she is indeed one of the most interesting and real characters and that helps in forming an attachment with her.

I guess if you only scratch the surface I could see why some people are put off by Ash.  She's not the most complacent individual and she does speak before she thinks sometimes.  For me though, once I got to know her that became part of her adorable charm.

Exactly, and its a shame some people dont bother scratching past the surfice and digging into what a great character she actually is, their loss huh?