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[Spectre_Shepard]

1500!!!!

[yeoldearche]

I love Ashley.



Boom.

[ComTrav]

1500!

Edited: Drat, 1501.

Modifié par ComTrav, 18 février 2010 - 05:24 .

[Badpie]

Spectre_Shepard wrote...

Badpie wrote...

LiamN7 wrote...

Just noticed
60 pages. 1481 posts.
Ashley love is growing.

I for one am glad Ash isn't the most popular character.  Reactions to her are very polarized.  Which means she seems real.

EVERYBODY loves Tali.  INcluding me.  And you know why?  Because there is NOTHING to not like about Tali.  She's sweet, she's cute, she's agreeable, she's a little bumbling and shy, she's smart.  There's not a negative thing to say about her except that there's not a negative thing to say about her.

Ash has visible issues.  She has a big mouth, is wary of things and people she doesn't understand, doesn't always agree with Shepard and is blunt as blunt can be.  She rubs some people the wrong way while others are drawn in by her refreshing flaws.

<3

Badpie, you summarize Ash so well. Maybe you should send Bioware some of your fanfics and see if theyll let you write her character for ME3. how awesome would that be?

*EPIC SIGH*  I dare to dream, my friend.  

[drake heath]

Badpie wrote...
*EPIC SIGH*  I dare to dream, my friend.  

Hey did you ever send your resume to the Biocomplex?

[Bergybud]

Badpie wrote...

LiamN7 wrote...

Just noticed
60 pages. 1481 posts.
Ashley love is growing.

I for one am glad Ash isn't the most popular character.  Reactions to her are very polarized.  Which means she seems real.

EVERYBODY loves Tali.  INcluding me.  And you know why?  Because there is NOTHING to not like about Tali.  She's sweet, she's cute, she's agreeable, she's a little bumbling and shy, she's smart.  There's not a negative thing to say about her except that there's not a negative thing to say about her.

Ash has visible issues.  She has a big mouth, is wary of things and people she doesn't understand, doesn't always agree with Shepard and is blunt as blunt can be.  She rubs some people the wrong way while others are drawn in by her refreshing flaws.

<3

Ash will go Vasquez on you or she will cradle you in her arms and soothe your withered soul. And your right she is not perfect but she is probably the best character in the ME Universe because of her reality.

[yeoldearche]

I'm glad she's so polarizing among Mass Effect fans, cause if she was as popular as Tali then there would be a crap ton of tasteless fanart floating around that only really degrades the character instead of appreciating their other qualities. A lot of the pictures I've seen of Ash are very nice, and I'm not much of a fanfic reader but I have to say I enjoyed one of Badpie's. :B

[Badpie]

yeoldearche wrote...

I'm glad she's so polarizing among Mass Effect fans, cause if she was as popular as Tali then there would be a crap ton of tasteless fanart floating around that only really degrades the character instead of appreciating their other qualities. A lot of the pictures I've seen of Ash are very nice, and I'm not much of a fanfic reader but I have to say I enjoyed one of Badpie's. :B

Thank you.  /blush.

[Midnight Reyn]

Badpie wrote...

Well put, Midnight.  Maybe this is why I don't feel any real connection witn the ME2 romances.  It's all "MEMEME!" with them.  JEBUS!  Holy crap!  Could you just ONCE ask ME how I'm doing? 

That was another thing missing from ME2.  Shepard's vulnerability.  In that locker scene in ME1, no matter who your romanced, Shepard was a beaten and frustrated and nearly broken man (or woman).  You could tell by the way he just slumped down on the locker the way he did.  He had given up.  And there was the love interest ready to tell him it would be okay and give him a pep talk.

I'm hoping ME3 brings back the vulnerable Shep you mention, and the romances are romances and not one-sided waah fests.

And I really hope the Shep/Ash reunion post Omega 4 relay mission with them dealing with their feelings for one another is seen in game. If ME3 allows us to recruit Ash and there is no 'you survived a suicide mission and came back to me' esqe dialogue, but rather the relationship is just 'reset' with no mention of the ME2 events, I'll be a sad panda.

Not that I want an uber-angsty pull at the heartstrings conversation - but it would be nice for Shep to be given the chance to say what he feels, as was the case in ME1 prior to the schmexytimes.

[yeoldearche]

Midnight Reyn wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Well put, Midnight.  Maybe this is why I don't feel any real connection witn the ME2 romances.  It's all "MEMEME!" with them.  JEBUS!  Holy crap!  Could you just ONCE ask ME how I'm doing? 

That was another thing missing from ME2.  Shepard's vulnerability.  In that locker scene in ME1, no matter who your romanced, Shepard was a beaten and frustrated and nearly broken man (or woman).  You could tell by the way he just slumped down on the locker the way he did.  He had given up.  And there was the love interest ready to tell him it would be okay and give him a pep talk.

I'm hoping ME3 brings back the vulnerable Shep you mention, and the romances are romances and not one-sided waah fests.

And I really hope the Shep/Ash reunion post Omega 4 relay mission with them dealing with their feelings for one another is seen in game. If ME3 allows us to recruit Ash and there is no 'you survived a suicide mission and came back to me' esqe dialogue, but rather the relationship is just 'reset' with no mention of the ME2 events, I'll be a sad panda.

Not that I want an uber-angsty pull at the heartstrings conversation - but it would be nice for Shep to be given the chance to say what he feels, as was the case in ME1 prior to the schmexytimes.

Any reunion with Ashley will be emotional, but not angst or drama filled. As long as they don't copypaste hers and Kaidan's dialogue like Horizon. :| Just like the night before Ilos it was heartwarming, but didn't overdo it.

Which reminds me that Ashley is one of few characters who doesn't even really "need" Shepard in their relationship. Her whole driving herself to restore her grandfather and family's name is just the motivation, but Shepard is the one who actually made her feel like she was worth it (in her own words). And that one line made me think that it was just her genuinely appreciating Shepard's treatment of her, not any validation of him fulfilling her psychological needs. 

My two cents.

Modifié par yeoldearche, 18 février 2010 - 05:51 .

[Bergybud]

yeoldearche wrote...

Midnight Reyn wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Well put, Midnight.  Maybe this is why I don't feel any real connection witn the ME2 romances.  It's all "MEMEME!" with them.  JEBUS!  Holy crap!  Could you just ONCE ask ME how I'm doing? 

That was another thing missing from ME2.  Shepard's vulnerability.  In that locker scene in ME1, no matter who your romanced, Shepard was a beaten and frustrated and nearly broken man (or woman).  You could tell by the way he just slumped down on the locker the way he did.  He had given up.  And there was the love interest ready to tell him it would be okay and give him a pep talk.

I'm hoping ME3 brings back the vulnerable Shep you mention, and the romances are romances and not one-sided waah fests.

And I really hope the Shep/Ash reunion post Omega 4 relay mission with them dealing with their feelings for one another is seen in game. If ME3 allows us to recruit Ash and there is no 'you survived a suicide mission and came back to me' esqe dialogue, but rather the relationship is just 'reset' with no mention of the ME2 events, I'll be a sad panda.

Not that I want an uber-angsty pull at the heartstrings conversation - but it would be nice for Shep to be given the chance to say what he feels, as was the case in ME1 prior to the schmexytimes.

Any reunion with Ashley will be emotional, but not angst or drama filled. As long as they don't copypaste hers and Kaidan's dialogue like Horizon. :| Just like the night before Ilos it was heartwarming, but didn't overdo it.

Which reminds me that Ashley is one of few characters who doesn't even really "need" Shepard in their relationship. Her whole driving herself to restore her grandfather and family's name is just the motivation, but Shepard is the one who actually made her feel like she was worth it (in her own words). And that one line made me think that it was just her genuinely appreciating Shepard's treatment of her, not any validation of him fulfilling her psychological needs. 

My two cents.

Well said and I concur.

[Badpie]

Midnight Reyn wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Well put, Midnight.  Maybe this is why I don't feel any real connection witn the ME2 romances.  It's all "MEMEME!" with them.  JEBUS!  Holy crap!  Could you just ONCE ask ME how I'm doing? 

That was another thing missing from ME2.  Shepard's vulnerability.  In that locker scene in ME1, no matter who your romanced, Shepard was a beaten and frustrated and nearly broken man (or woman).  You could tell by the way he just slumped down on the locker the way he did.  He had given up.  And there was the love interest ready to tell him it would be okay and give him a pep talk.

I'm hoping ME3 brings back the vulnerable Shep you mention, and the romances are romances and not one-sided waah fests.

And I really hope the Shep/Ash reunion post Omega 4 relay mission with them dealing with their feelings for one another is seen in game. If ME3 allows us to recruit Ash and there is no 'you survived a suicide mission and came back to me' esqe dialogue, but rather the relationship is just 'reset' with no mention of the ME2 events, I'll be a sad panda.

Not that I want an uber-angsty pull at the heartstrings conversation - but it would be nice for Shep to be given the chance to say what he feels, as was the case in ME1 prior to the schmexytimes.

Argh.  I agree.  If there's two sentences of dialogue like this I will break my Xbox:

Ash:  Sure glad we got that whole awkward past relationship out of the way and are now totally cool with each other.

Shepard:  Yup.  Hooray for ****ty writing.

Ash:  I love you even though we never actually worked out our issues.

Shepard:  I love you too even though we never actually worked out our issues.  Wanna shoot stuff and never talk about this again?

Ash:  You bet.

[yeoldearche]

Badpie wrote...

Argh.  I agree.  If there's two sentences of dialogue like this I will break my Xbox:

Ash:  Sure glad we got that whole awkward past relationship out of the way and are now totally cool with each other.

Shepard:  Yup.  Hooray for ****ty writing.

Ash:  I love you even though we never actually worked out our issues.

Shepard:  I love you too even though we never actually worked out our issues.  Wanna shoot stuff and never talk about this again?

Ash:  You bet.

Wrex: It's about damn time.

Grunt: I! AM ! KROGAN!

Oh yes, Ashley/Shepard/Wrex reunion would be just badass as hell.

[Badpie]

yeoldearche wrote...

Oh yes, Ashley/Shepard/Wrex reunion would be just badass as hell.

Sometimes I would have Ash and Wrex in my squad with my soldier Shep just for pure kickassery.  They kind of amazingly owned.

[yeoldearche]

Badpie wrote...

yeoldearche wrote...

Oh yes, Ashley/Shepard/Wrex reunion would be just badass as hell.

Sometimes I would have Ash and Wrex in my squad with my soldier Shep just for pure kickassery.  They kind of amazingly owned.

You too? I did that with my paragon run.   I'd switch it up with Garrus every now and then just to see him one-shot everything. God I love that. Wrex's action movie one-liners after each fight never got old for me---they're cheesy, but I cannot help but love it said in that deep sober voice of his.

Yes I'm one of those people who just loves every character for their own unique qualities (except Kaidan, but that wasn't a fault of his character but in his presentation).

Modifié par yeoldearche, 18 février 2010 - 06:04 .

[Midnight Reyn]

yeoldearche wrote...

Any reunion with Ashley will be emotional, but not angst or drama filled. As long as they don't copypaste hers and Kaidan's dialogue like Horizon. :| Just like the night before Ilos it was heartwarming, but didn't overdo it.

Which reminds me that Ashley is one of few characters who doesn't even really "need" Shepard in their relationship. Her whole driving herself to restore her grandfather and family's name is just the motivation, but Shepard is the one who actually made her feel like she was worth it (in her own words). And that one line made me think that it was just her genuinely appreciating Shepard's treatment of her, not any validation of him fulfilling her psychological needs. 

My two cents.

Yes - no copypasting of lines for both Kaidan and Ashley. Make them their own characters, and not just fill ins for one another. And please explore their history - we missed out on seeing a lot of development in ME2 - make up for it in ME3.

Ashley not needing Shepard is one of the reasons I think the Shep/Ash relationship is the strongest of the potential ME LI's. Each knows where the other is coming from, neither relies on the other to give them focus or meaning, but both know the other will be there for them as an equal in the relationship.

Badpie wrote...

Argh.  I agree.  If there's two sentences of dialogue like this I will break my Xbox:

Ash:  Sure glad we got that whole awkward past relationship out of the way and are now totally cool with each other.

Shepard:  Yup.  Hooray for ****ty writing.

Ash:  I love you even though we never actually worked out our issues.

Shepard:  I love you too even though we never actually worked out our issues.  Wanna shoot stuff and never talk about this again?

Ash:  You bet.

Ha! I love it! And I am dreading hearing anything like 'It's been 1 year since the events of Mass Effect 2' during the lead up to the ME3 marketing...

Modifié par Midnight Reyn, 18 février 2010 - 06:12 .

[Badpie]

Midnight Reyn wrote...

Ashley not needing Shepard is one of the reasons I think the Shep/Ash relationship is the strongest of the potential ME LI's. Each knows where the other is coming from, neither relies on the other to give them focus or meaning, but both know the other will be there for them as an equal in the relationship.

Bingo.  Their relationship is the most like a real partnership out of any of them.  It's based largely on respect and unspoken understanding of each other.  They just "gel" together.  They "work."....well not at the moment, but STILL.


In fact there's a little moment, even in the tv spot that came out before the first game (around the :18 mark) where I saw a moment of Ash "getting" Shepard. (or you know, something similar to what I'm referring to).

Modifié par Badpie, 18 février 2010 - 06:19 .

[yeoldearche]

Midnight Reyn wrote...

Yes - no copypasting of lines for both Kaidan and Ashley. Make them their own characters, and not just fill ins for one another. And please explore their history - we missed out on seeing a lot of development in ME2 - make up for it in ME3.

Ashley not needing Shepard is one of the reasons I think the Shep/Ash relationship is the strongest of the potential ME LI's. Each knows where the other is coming from, neither relies on the other to give them focus or meaning, but both know the other will be there for them as an equal in the relationship.

It would be interesting---as mentioned a few times on these forums---if one part of ME3 involved Ashley's family and exonerating her grandfather, and her family receiving some sort of compensation for Ash and her father's careers being stunted due to their reputation. It would be better done if it wasn't in a court case like Tali's loyalty mission, though. Shepard's a soldier not a lawyer.

Truthfully, I really like tragic characters and misery in their lives just for the narrative drama. But I can almost see Shepard "settling down" with Ash or Kaidan (who seem the most down-to-earth love interests in both games). Shepard rising to admiral or even councilor, children, and all that good stuff. Personally I view my own main Shepard as having a somewhat bitter ending with him merely continuing to roam the galaxy with tragic events that affect him and his reputation so he is ostracized by galactic civilization at large. Either way, I can see Ash sticking by him no matter what as long as he remained faithful.

Badpie wrote...

Midnight Reyn wrote...

Ashley
not needing Shepard is one of the reasons I think the Shep/Ash
relationship is the strongest of the potential ME LI's. Each knows
where the other is coming from, neither relies on the other to give
them focus or meaning, but both know the other will be there for them
as an equal in the relationship.

Bingo.  Their
relationship is the most like a real partnership out of any of them. 
It's based largely on respect and unspoken understanding of each
other.  They just "gel" together.  They "work."....well not at the
moment, but STILL.


In fact there's a little moment, even in
the tv spot that came out before the first game (around the :18 mark)
where I saw a moment of Ash "getting" Shepard. (or you know, something
similar to what I'm referring to).

Garrus is adorable in this video, idc. Backing down like a reprimanded dog.

Modifié par yeoldearche, 18 février 2010 - 06:26 .

[Midnight Reyn]

Badpie wrote...

Hadn't seen that choices video - so thankyou  

yeoldearche wrote...

It would be interesting---as mentioned a few times on these forums---if one part of ME3 involved Ashley's family and exonerating her grandfather, and her family receiving some sort of compensation for Ash and her father's careers being stunted due to their reputation.

After having heard the brief news comment about the Turians considering rewarding reparations to the relatives of those who lost their lives on Shanxi I was wondering whether Ash's connection to Shanxi would be brought up somewhere down the line.

I'd like to see her get some sort of closure on that front, even if she's already put it behind her.

[yeoldearche]

Well, reparations are different. That's only the Turian Hierarchy acknowledging Shanxi, it would bring closure to Ashley if the Alliance (and maybe Humanity in general) redeemed her grandfather's reputation, and with it the Williams family as well. It's kind of sad that she only receives recognition if she dies on Virmire, with the Salarian and Turians propping her up with revisionist history and a false quote.



I have faith in Bioware, though, that they'll give all three characters their due in ME3. Ashley and Kaidan reunited with Shepard (for better or worse, depending on if he romanced one of ME2's love interests) and Liara is set up perfectly for a Shadow Broker-oriented story arc.

[Midnight Reyn]

yeoldearche wrote...

Well, reparations are different. That's only the Turian Hierarchy acknowledging Shanxi, it would bring closure to Ashley if the Alliance (and maybe Humanity in general) redeemed her grandfather's reputation, and with it the Williams family as well. It's kind of sad that she only receives recognition if she dies on Virmire, with the Salarian and Turians propping her up with revisionist history and a false quote.

I have faith in Bioware, though, that they'll give all three characters their due in ME3. Ashley and Kaidan reunited with Shepard (for better or worse, depending on if he romanced one of ME2's love interests) and Liara is set up perfectly for a Shadow Broker-oriented story arc.

I understand. I simply mean that having the Shanxi history mentioned in ME2 by a variety of people means it may feature in ME3 in some form, and with Ashley's connection to the battle, it's likely she'll be the one involved in any sort of Shanxi related stuff. (But then, I ascribe to the notion that 'why mention something several different times if it isn't important'.  Conversely, the whole Shanxi thing could just be a Bioware shoutout to all those who played the first game, and mean nothing at all).

I hope Bioware does focus on the original LI's and their relationships with both Shepard and the other main characters. Being the last in the trilogy, I'm hoping for big things, since it's possibly the last time we'll see any of the characters in a 'front and centre' role. I'm also hoping the romance plot evolves beyond the current [talk 1-background info] [talk 2-flirtation] [talk 3-4 - romance building] [schmexytimes] [/end romance content] setup. 

Modifié par Midnight Reyn, 18 février 2010 - 08:04 .

[DarthRic]

Spectre_Shepard wrote...

1500!!!!

Added to topic front page, thanks for pointing out
also this thread needs more hugs again:

Modifié par DarthRic, 18 février 2010 - 09:28 .

[Doug84]

Badpie wrote...

Midnight Reyn wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Well put, Midnight.  Maybe this is why I don't feel any real connection witn the ME2 romances.  It's all "MEMEME!" with them.  JEBUS!  Holy crap!  Could you just ONCE ask ME how I'm doing? 

That was another thing missing from ME2.  Shepard's vulnerability.  In that locker scene in ME1, no matter who your romanced, Shepard was a beaten and frustrated and nearly broken man (or woman).  You could tell by the way he just slumped down on the locker the way he did.  He had given up.  And there was the love interest ready to tell him it would be okay and give him a pep talk.

I'm hoping ME3 brings back the vulnerable Shep you mention, and the romances are romances and not one-sided waah fests.

And I really hope the Shep/Ash reunion post Omega 4 relay mission with them dealing with their feelings for one another is seen in game. If ME3 allows us to recruit Ash and there is no 'you survived a suicide mission and came back to me' esqe dialogue, but rather the relationship is just 'reset' with no mention of the ME2 events, I'll be a sad panda.

Not that I want an uber-angsty pull at the heartstrings conversation - but it would be nice for Shep to be given the chance to say what he feels, as was the case in ME1 prior to the schmexytimes.

Argh.  I agree.  If there's two sentences of dialogue like this I will break my Xbox:

Ash:  Sure glad we got that whole awkward past relationship out of the way and are now totally cool with each other.

Shepard:  Yup.  Hooray for ****ty writing.

Ash:  I love you even though we never actually worked out our issues.

Shepard:  I love you too even though we never actually worked out our issues.  Wanna shoot stuff and never talk about this again?

Ash:  You bet.

Shep: So...why were you so angry at me?

Ashley: Well, you pretended to be dead for 2 years, and then I find out your working for a group of extremists who performed many horrible experiments across the Galaxy. I mean, I did attend your funeral.

Shep: Well...ok, you have a point.

Ashley: I mean, you could have explained it better.

Shep: Well, I wasn't expecting to meet you. And it'd only been a few weeks for me. What will me being actually dead and all.

Ashley: About that...

Shep: Yes?

Ashley: ....

Shep: What?

Ashley: You don't seem very dead to me!

Shep: I got better.

Ashley: ....?

Shep: What?

Ashley: Tali's not the only one with a shotgun.