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[Doug84]

yeoldearche wrote...

Doug84 wrote...

yeoldearche wrote...

(BLAM BLAM)

Ashley: Stupid flying... robot things!
Geth Trooper #1: Someone just shot up Drone 1756.
Geth Trooper #2: Who? Tom? Why would someone shoot him?
Geth
Trooper #1: Dunno, must've been that female soldier running around in
white and pink armor---there, she's flipping us off now.
Geth Trooper #2: Girl is FIERCE.

Bwhaha

Geth Trooper #1: So, did you catch the download last night?
Geth Trooper #2: Yes - I can't believe Geth#124026 is planning to combine base code with Geth#3433423!
Geth Trooper #1: I know! He is well out of her league.
Ashley: Aha!
Geth Trooper #2: Whats her problem?
Geth Trooper #1: Don't ask me, all organics make no sense to me.
*BLAM BLAM*
Geth Trooper #2: Oh Reapers, the pain! #1 are you ok?
Geth Trooper #1: I can't feel my legs...

Made me laugh. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] Much obliged!

Badpie wrote...
I Lol'd. 

Thank you both You should also check out the "bring back the banter" thread - got alot of practice in that one 
http://social.biowar...index/1222206/1

[Doug84]

Tibilicus wrote...

Just thought I would post my support for probably the most interesting Love Interest in ME.

A lot of people seem to dismiss Ashely as boring and a racist alien hater.It's when you begin to talk to her though that you uncover why she has a hostile attitude to aliens and get to see more of her true character. Was kind of disappointed with how she was shown in ME2 though.

I really hope she comes back with a big role in ME3. Of all the Love interests she's just the most unique and interesting, she puts up this tough front but its when you actually engage with the character you get to see her true nature.

Agreed. What I don't get is why people are willing to overlook Jack's inperfections but not Ashley's (who is the better character, IMO).

[Tibilicus]

Doug84 wrote...

Tibilicus wrote...

Just thought I would post my support for probably the most interesting Love Interest in ME.

A lot of people seem to dismiss Ashely as boring and a racist alien hater.It's when you begin to talk to her though that you uncover why she has a hostile attitude to aliens and get to see more of her true character. Was kind of disappointed with how she was shown in ME2 though.

I really hope she comes back with a big role in ME3. Of all the Love interests she's just the most unique and interesting, she puts up this tough front but its when you actually engage with the character you get to see her true nature.

Agreed. What I don't get is why people are willing to overlook Jack's inperfections but not Ashley's (who is the better character, IMO).

I can only put it down to people simply not taking the time to talk to her in ME1. It's stated clearly in a conversation that her family was involved in the first contact war with the Turians and something bad happened, the exact details I cant remember. Also the misconception is she hates aliens, this is far from true. She shows admiration for the Salarians on Vimer or whatever its called in ME1 and her attitude is one I feel would come naturally to most humans.

After all, humanity discovers a mass relay and what do you know, the Turians imediately percieve them as a threat and attempt to destroy them.  The only behaviour from Asheley which I found a bit extreme was the "Wrex incident" on my first play through in ME1. I believe though that her behaviour was more down to admiration and loyalty to you than out of some sort of sadistic desire to kill Wrex which many interprete the scene as. If it was a real life situation you wouldn't expect her to do anything less.

[yeoldearche]

I've never read that thread Doug84, me and my friend just make up banter like that over IM's all the time. It made me laugh hard all the same thanks!

Anyway, to talk deeper about Ashley's character I don't see her cynicism or distrust of the Council as flaws. They're perfectly reasonable and aren't wrapped up in personal bias or irrationality. Some of her comments on other species more willing to look after their own isn't entirely untrue, since for two games now the Council has just blown off Shepard every time with the Reapers and don't do a damn for the colonies disappearing. The last bit is understandable considering the colonies are in Terminus space, but the air quoting "Reapers" bit from Turian councilor was the final straw. Yes I really am that patient with them that it took until the second game for me to blow off the worthless Council.

But what other people see as flaws in Ashley I see as unique traits that make her character more believable and endearing. And for me personally it's more attractive than naivety or a more cosmopolitan outlook on different people that we're "all in this together". Healthy skepticism, I like.

More Ash pics! http://img713.images...shportraita.jpg

Modifié par yeoldearche, 18 février 2010 - 05:32 .

[Robbie529]

In ME1, I was very angry with Ashley for killing Wrex; I even sent with the infiltration team, hoping she would die. I am even less impressed that after Horizon, she walks away because Shepard is now bound to Cerberas. I was also not happy with her distrust of aliens.

[Badpie]

Robbie529 wrote...

In ME1, I was very angry with Ashley for killing Wrex

It's your fault she killed Wrex.  You blew it.

I even sent with the infiltration team, hoping she would die.

Uh..you also had control whether or not she lived.

I am even less impressed that after Horizon, she walks away because Shepard is now bound to Cerberas. I was also not happy with her distrust of aliens.

Way to oversimplify everything again.  I thought we covered this.

[yeoldearche]

You are quick Badpie, even covered the blunt, stern wording I was gonna use.

With that said, more Ashley screenshots!

I like how Tali is staring off into space, Liara is charged up and ready to go (but doesn't actually do anything once the fight starts but kneel and hide in the middle of the open room), but Ash is aimed and has my back.

[Doug84]

Tibilicus wrote...

Doug84 wrote...

Tibilicus wrote...

Just thought I would post my support for probably the most interesting Love Interest in ME.

A lot of people seem to dismiss Ashely as boring and a racist alien hater.It's when you begin to talk to her though that you uncover why she has a hostile attitude to aliens and get to see more of her true character. Was kind of disappointed with how she was shown in ME2 though.

I really hope she comes back with a big role in ME3. Of all the Love interests she's just the most unique and interesting, she puts up this tough front but its when you actually engage with the character you get to see her true nature.

Agreed. What I don't get is why people are willing to overlook Jack's inperfections but not Ashley's (who is the better character, IMO).

I can only put it down to people simply not taking the time to talk to her in ME1. It's stated clearly in a conversation that her family was involved in the first contact war with the Turians and something bad happened, the exact details I cant remember. Also the misconception is she hates aliens, this is far from true. She shows admiration for the Salarians on Vimer or whatever its called in ME1 and her attitude is one I feel would come naturally to most humans.

After all, humanity discovers a mass relay and what do you know, the Turians imediately percieve them as a threat and attempt to destroy them.  The only behaviour from Asheley which I found a bit extreme was the "Wrex incident" on my first play through in ME1. I believe though that her behaviour was more down to admiration and loyalty to you than out of some sort of sadistic desire to kill Wrex which many interprete the scene as. If it was a real life situation you wouldn't expect her to do anything less.

Actually, it happened like this...

- Alliance explorer team find an inactive relay some time and some where after the Pluto Relay's discover.
- The Turians spotted this and attacked, as it was against Galaxy law, since the Rachni wars, to activate a relay whilst the other end hasn't been found - we can also assume some **** was incharge of the Turians given they aren't said to have tried to talk to the human fleet.
- One ship escaped back to the colony on Shanxi
- The Turians followed and occupied the colony. They mistakenly believed they'd taken the homeworld of humanity and as such defeated their main fleet. Ashley's Grandfather was the garrision commander and surrendered his forces rather than have them destroyed by the Turians
- The Alliance counter attacked and drove the Turians away.
- At this point, the Turians started mobilising on masse, drawing the attention of the Council, who negotiated peace between Humanity and the Turians

Because of this, Ashley's grandfather had the unwanted record of being the only commander in human history to surrender to an alien force and let the colony he was defending be occupied. Inspite of the fact it wasn't his fault, he and his family have a stigma attached to them by the top brass of the Alliance.

[Doug84]

Double post error

Modifié par Doug84, 18 février 2010 - 05:49 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

Badpie wrote...

Robbie529 wrote...

In ME1, I was very angry with Ashley for killing Wrex

It's your fault she killed Wrex.  You blew it.

When i first played ME1 (just this january before ME2 was released) and got to Virmire I was truly shocked to see her kill Wrex. That was the last thing I expected. I mean sure, she says to Shep that she will take care of Wrex if the situation gets out of control but I thought only *after* Shep gives the sign. After all it´s Shepard, no one dares to disobey him,right?
So there we were, Wrex dead, Shepard paralyzed by the scene and Ashley standing besides one of your dead squadmates, smoking gun still in her hand.

And then it hit me: I couldn´t imagine someone else doing this. Kaiden, Garus, Tali? No way, they dont have what it takes, to react in such situations. It might sometimes be wiser to stay calm and just observe than to do something  too quick (in this case shooting someone who´s clearly on your own team) yes, but if Sheps life on the line, she doesn´t take any chances.

In this moment, it became totaly clear to me: Man, this woman sure is something "special".
(Guess who had the honor to detonate the bomb.)



Didn´t reload to save Wrex btw.

[Doug84]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Robbie529 wrote...

In ME1, I was very angry with Ashley for killing Wrex

It's your fault she killed Wrex.  You blew it.

When i first played ME1 (just this january before ME2 was released) and got to Virmire I was truly shocked to see her kill Wrex. That was the last thing I expected. I mean sure, she says to Shep that she will take care of Wrex if the situation gets out of control but I thought only *after* Shep gives the sign. After all it´s Shepard, no one dares to disobey him,right?
So there we were, Wrex dead, Shepard paralyzed by the scene and Ashley standing besides one of your dead squadmates, smoking gun still in her hand.

And then it hit me: I couldn´t imagine someone else doing this. Kaiden, Garus, Tali? No way, they dont have what it takes, to react in such situations. It might sometimes be wiser to stay calm and just observe than to do something  too quick (in this case shooting someone who´s clearly on your own team) yes, but if Sheps life on the line, she doesn´t take any chances.

In this moment, it became totaly clear to me: Man, this woman sure is something "special".
(Guess who had the honor to detonate the bomb.)



Didn´t reload to save Wrex btw.

What, none of them would shoot someone pointing a shotgun at Cmdr Shepards chest? And 'clearly on your team'? Wrex was pretty god damned angry and wasn't claiming down if you got as far as her shooting him.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Doug84 wrote...


What, none of them would shoot someone pointing a shotgun at Cmdr Shepards chest? And 'clearly on your team'? Wrex was pretty god damned angry and wasn't claiming down if you got as far as her shooting him.

No, not before Shepard gives the sign. I just cant imagine it.
And of course Wrex was angry, but up until that point, he has proven his loyalty and his ability to control himself if he wants to.

[yeoldearche]

I can see Garrus taking the shot, but he was too busy posing on the beach thinking he was badass. But yeah, nobody else but Ash could realistically do that. The entire argument for hating Ashley because she kills Wrex is moot anyway, she only does it if Shepard deliberately signals for her to take the shot or the player opted not to choose the shiny blue or red dialogue options and fails at the game anyway. Either way, it makes that specific Shepard a ****ty commander.

[Doug84]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Doug84 wrote...


What, none of them would shoot someone pointing a shotgun at Cmdr Shepards chest? And 'clearly on your team'? Wrex was pretty god damned angry and wasn't claiming down if you got as far as her shooting him.

No, not before Shepard gives the sign. I just cant imagine it.
And of course Wrex was angry, but up until that point, he has proven his loyalty and his ability to control himself if he wants to.

Up to that point, Wrex hadn't pointed a shotgun at Shepard and been clearly about to shoot him to save the genophage cure.

[Doug84]

*dons his RAMBO 46 mask* good god i love ashley

[Funkcase]

Doug84 wrote...

*dons his RAMBO 46 mask* good god i love ashley

Lol.
Ow I do too though

[BrotherArdis]

The more I think of it, the more I come to see how ironic it is that so many people accuse Ash of xenophobia, racism and all that. She never displays any such trait, the only thing she does is to believe that Humanity must be strong in itself, without having to rely on alien help; to be distrustful towards the Council and their politics; and to be uncomfortable about aliens having access to the Normandy's engineering section and weapons systems. None of that is unreasonable. The first thing is a question of whether you want your race to be able to cope with problems that arise, or to be forced to ask for help with every inconsequential matter. Especially when your every request for said help is denied. Congratulations to all who choose option #2. The second - a matter of whether you can trust a politician, left alone one from an alien race, and especially from an alien race that was hell bent on conquering and enslaving your own race mere 30 years ago, or not. This time, congratulations to the supporters of option #1. As for the third matter - just tell me you would let someone completely strange roam free on your aircraft carrier or a nuclear sub and tamper with nuclear warheads and fighters' engines... I might even believe you.

Ash's got no problem with fighting side by side with any alien on board, save Liara perhaps (can't blame her - after all, Liara is a threat to Ash's domination over Shepard ). Hell, if you listen to her elevator dialogues, she actually shows CONCERN about Quarians' fate (something along the lines of "many people view Quarians as thieves... Hopefully your presence on the Normandy will help to change that" when talking to Tali).  But people don't bother to a) talk and listen to Ash think about what she says at all and therefore know nothing about her, so she gets accused of said xenophobia, racism and prejudice. It's ironic when you realize just how prejudiced THEY are...


So, a salvo from the main batteries of the Arcturus Fleet flagship for our Chief Williams. With Ashley, to the gates of Hell and beyond!

Modifié par BrotherArdis, 18 février 2010 - 07:32 .

[yeoldearche]

I chalk it up to people having their delicate sensibilities offended by a video game character (in a Sci-Fi genre, no less) who believes in a theistic God, doesn't dive in headfirst to a galactic community (which humanity has only joined very, very recently), and doesn't blindly follow every single action the player-controlled Shepard makes (even if she does follow his orders unquestioningly, she just makes her opinion known). Damn fictional characters not acting like mindless drones bowing to my every whim.

But I'm one of those rare people who likes different characters in games, and I think it was a outstanding move to include one human in the future who still believes in a god.

Fully agreed with your insight, BrotherArdis. Cheers!

Modifié par yeoldearche, 18 février 2010 - 07:49 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

Wise words BrotherArdis. *applause*

[Doug84]

Wellllll.... I'll admit, Ashley does have something of a xenophobic streak. But to go as far as 'racism' (though the correct term would be 'speciesism') would be a mistake.

She doesn't like Aliens, she doesn't trust them, she (sub-consciously) blames them for her family's stigma. But she's happy enough to work along side the alien crew, even if she has reservations about letting the aliens look at Alliance tech.

But guess what - she's human and flawed, just like the rest of us. I don't think any human alive today can truly claim to not have a single prejudice in their whole bodies. Its just the way we are - when we encounter new people our brains try and make guesses about them, and visual clues are the only way we can manage it.

Anywho, as for the theist bit, yeah, I was surprised at the mention of God in a video game, and was a tad 'grin and bare it' when she was talking about him.

But thats what makes her a great character - she has flaws; and whilst I prefer Tali alittle, Ashley is a very close second.

[Doug84]

Double post error

Modifié par Doug84, 18 février 2010 - 08:22 .

[Bob3terd]

Not totally sure i agree with all that brotheradis said but it does go to show why ash is one of the most human characters in ME. No matter how many people you meet they wont always have the same opinions as you, and i felt like i was able to influence her but only as much as a normal person would allow the others i felt caved in to easily with ash i was only ever smoothing out the rough edges. She retained her character and thats by far the best reason ash is no.1 all the other love intrests felt bland in comparison.

Modifié par Bob3terd, 18 février 2010 - 08:32 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

This thread wasnt locked because Ash is #1.
Now we have proof.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 18 février 2010 - 09:01 .

[Doug84]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

This thread wasnt locked because Ash is #1.
Now we have proof.

I really don't get you.

You first declare that you hate Ashley because she shot Wrex in your game, and then you say how great she is...confused.