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[DarthRic]

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...

DarthRic wrote...

what do you expect?

I kept waiting for a paragon interrupt where Shep ignores her sputtering rage and kisses her, then strokes her hair and calmly says "Ash, I love you." 

That would have been good, I guess bioware just wanted to put something in from ME1 love interests but didn't have enough time/didn't care enough to do it properly, well heres hoping to a more important roll in ME3

[Antbrawler]

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...

DarthRic wrote...

what do you expect?

I kept waiting for a paragon interrupt where Shep ignores her sputtering rage and kisses her, then strokes her hair and calmly says "Ash, I love you." 

If only!

[Spectre_Shepard]

The point is Bioware deliberately tried to drive a spike through your relationship. Which, in my opinion, makes the Ashley/kaiden romances that much better than the others, because they now go through a period where you become really close, then break apart, and finally can choose to get back together again, hopefully even closer than before. As painful as it is (and it is painful), ME2 really does a lot to develop the relationship, assuming that Bioware comes through in ME3.

[Badpie]

Spectre_Shepard wrote...



Oh well. We can only hope that Shepard is given the option to atone in ME3.

Hopefully they will both have a chance to make up... epically and repeatedly. 

[Badpie]

Spectre_Shepard wrote...

The point is Bioware deliberately tried to drive a spike through your relationship. Which, in my opinion, makes the Ashley/kaiden romances that much better than the others, because they now go through a period where you become really close, then break apart, and finally can choose to get back together again, hopefully even closer than before. As painful as it is (and it is painful), ME2 really does a lot to develop the relationship, assuming that Bioware comes through in ME3.

I agree.  Well if anything it's definitely the most INTERESTING romance of the game series now. 

I really am enjoying the angst.

[DarthRic]

Spectre_Shepard wrote...

The point is Bioware deliberately tried to drive a spike through your relationship. Which, in my opinion, makes the Ashley/kaiden romances that much better than the others, because they now go through a period where you become really close, then break apart, and finally can choose to get back together again, hopefully even closer than before. As painful as it is (and it is painful), ME2 really does a lot to develop the relationship, assuming that Bioware comes through in ME3.

Yeah the story arc of your ME1 LI ditching you (sort of) makes it that more meaningful if you stay faithful to them

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Spectre_Shepard wrote...

First of all I would have tried to contact her immediately. When she called me out for that, I was like, I WANTED to but the game never gave the option.

I know, right? I even went to Anderson first after getting Garrus and Mordin specifically to ask where Ash is. I got "I can't tell you. It's classified and you're working with Cerberus." 

I would have really liked to tell Ash that I did look for her and nobody had any clue where she was. 

[Antbrawler]

Hopefully everything that happened with Ashley in me 2 was a mere test, and those of us that love Ashley and stayed faithfull will be rewarded to an extent which makes everyone else jealous! Theres is clearly alot of hope still left in the relationship, from the encounter on horizon, the email and the holding of Ashleys pictures before entering the relay. What bioware has done to the relationship has just made it even more interesting!

[DarthRic]

It could have been worse, I was scared the collectors would have taken her (and we all know what happens to those people)

Modifié par DarthRic, 05 février 2010 - 06:18 .

[Antbrawler]

DarthRic wrote...

Antbrawler wrote...

Hopefully everything that happened with Ashley in me 2 was a mere test, and those of us that love Ashley and stayed faithfull will be rewarded to an extent which makes everyone else jealous! Theres is clearly alot of hope still left in the relationship, from the encounter on horizon, the email and the holding of Ashleys pictures before entering the relay. What bioware has done to the relationship has just made it even more interesting!

It could have been worse, I was scared the collectors would have taken her (and we all know what happens to those people)

I actually thought that had happened after watching the Horizon cutscene, it made me go through Horizon with a sense of urgancy trying to rescue her from the collectors lol, and then she suddenly appears.. good old Ash wasn't going to get taken by those collectors!

[Cpl_Facehugger]

DarthRic wrote...

(and we all know what happens to those people)

Before going through the relay, my dirty mind imagined tentacle sex, and lots of it. Like one of those asari-hanar porn games, except even creepier because it's Ash. 

But fortunately she managed to somehow escape being captured. I wonder how, 'cuz it looked like the swarm was baring down on her. 

[jlb524]

I must say I enjoyed my FemShep/Ashley friendship reunion scene (it gave me goose bumps the first time I watched it...I was excited to see her again!). I understand her suscpicions of my working for Cerberus (I don't trust them either). I found it touching when Ashley told me that she would have 'followed me into hell and back', or something along those lines.



She ends the conversation with a warning for you to watch your back with Cerberus. My Shepard took that to heart and left with a feeling that Ash still cares for her as a friend. She still trusts Ash and will want her on her team in ME3. Hopefully she can regain Ash's trust. I don't think this will be too difficult since it's quite clear that Ashley stiill respects the Commander, and my Shepard doesn't follow Cerberus anymore.

[DigitalMaster37]

Yeah I like the reunion scene too. I felt that she cared deeply for Sheperd. I like her loyalty and her romance honestly. Ashley will above all always be a great friend. I think she is a well designed and written character.

[MattD47]

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...
It's really sad/distressing because even Garrus and Tali, both characters who have a lot less reason to give Shep the benefit of the doubt, trust Shep's judgement enough to listen to him, while Ash does not.

I think the characterization is consistent with all three characters. Tali's trust is frankly unreasonable given Cerberus-Quarian relations, but it's supposed to be unreasonable: she's in a state of puppy love with male Shep, or hero worship with FemShep. Garrus, meanwhile, is in a state where he tried to be a leader of a squad like Shep and (in his own eyes) failed badly, so now he's falling back to being a follower of Shep. So these two aren't following Shep for wholly rational or morally laudable reasons -- it's not a reasonable, thoughtful sort of trust that should be commended, where the focus is that they're setting aside personal qualms for the good of the universe. It's more about them personally, their psychological needs that are fulfilled by being around Shep. It's just that that pushes them in an opposite direction than Ash, borderline-unreasonable trust versus borderline-unreasonable distrust.

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...
It sounds like it's enough time to develop a deep connection with someone. Especially when you've got the cascading effect that comes when you rely upon someone to save your life in combat. Ashley obviously thought there was a connection; she didn't seem like the type to sleep with someone unless she genuinely cared for and trusted them.

Yes, and all the more reason she'd be devastated and lash out if she thought that maybe she was wrong about that connection, about being able to trust someone. Again, you're meeting right after a battle in which Ash was paralyzed and forced to watch as a third of the colony she was trying to defend was abducted by aliens that the group Shep is working for had lured there. (A group that you also spent much of your brief time together with Ash fighting.) I think she's entitled to be a little abrupt.

Modifié par MattD47, 05 février 2010 - 06:36 .

[Antbrawler]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Yeah I like the reunion scene too.
I felt that she cared deeply for Sheperd. I like her loyalty and her
romance honestly. Ashley will above all always be a great friend. I
think she is a well designed and written character.

Indeed, the email was very touching aswell.

Modifié par Antbrawler, 05 février 2010 - 06:26 .

[trigger2kill1]

spectre shepard they did have a dialog op on the wheel it just didn't go anywhere afterwards it was "I was in a coma for 2 years and i just woke up" or something to that effect.

Modifié par trigger2kill1, 05 février 2010 - 06:28 .

[Cpl_Facehugger]

MattD47 wrote...

I think the characterization is consistent with all three characters. Tali's trust is frankly unreasonable given Cerberus-Quarian relations, but it's supposed to be unreasonable: she's in a state of puppy love with male Shep, or hero worship with FemShep.

I don't know about that. She makes it abundantly clear (at least on a paragon run, haven't done a real renegade run yet) that she doesn't trust Cerberus as far as she can throw them. She's there because she trusts Shep, not Cerberus. I'm not sure it's borderline unreasonabele trust on her part, though I admit that maybe I'm blinkered because I know that Shep is trustworthy and is only working with Cerberus because they gave him a nice ship.

Garrus, meanwhile, is in a state where he tried to be a leader and (in his own eyes) failed badly, so now he's falling back to being a follower of the most successful leader he knows. So these two aren't following Shep for wholly rational or morally laudable reasons -- it's not a reasonable, thoughtful sort of trust that should be commended, where the focus is they're setting aside personal qualms for the good of the universe. It's more about them personally, their psychological needs that are fulfilled by being around Shep. It's just that that pushes them in an opposite direction than Ash, borderline-unreasonable trust versus borderline-unreasonable distrust.

Maybe, I could understand that characterization of Garrus. What about Chakwas? She trusts Shep too even when she's mainly there for Joker.  

Yes, and all the more reason she'd be devastated and lash out if she thought that maybe she was wrong about that connection, about being able to trust someone. Again, you're meeting right after a battle in which Ash was paralyzed and forced to watch as a third of the colony she was trying to defend was abducted by aliens that the group Shep is working for had lured there. (A group that you also spent much of your brief time together with Ash fighting.) I think she's entitled to be a little abrupt.

I don't know, it still seemed too abrupt. I mean, she'd had to have heard all the shooting and concluded that obviously Cerberus wasn't working with the collectors. 

[Badpie]

MattD47 wrote...

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...
It's really sad/distressing because even Garrus and Tali, both characters who have a lot less reason to give Shep the benefit of the doubt, trust Shep's judgement enough to listen to him, while Ash does not.

I think the characterization is consistent with all three characters. Tali's trust is frankly unreasonable given Cerberus-Quarian relations, but it's supposed to be unreasonable: she's in a state of puppy love with male Shep, or hero worship with FemShep. Garrus, meanwhile, is in a state where he tried to be a leader of a squad like Shep and (in his own eyes) failed badly, so now he's falling back to being a follower of Shep. So these two aren't following Shep for wholly rational or morally laudable reasons -- it's not a reasonable, thoughtful sort of trust that should be commended, where the focus is that they're setting aside personal qualms for the good of the universe. It's more about them personally, their psychological needs that are fulfilled by being around Shep. It's just that that pushes them in an opposite direction than Ash, borderline-unreasonable trust versus borderline-unreasonable distrust.

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...
It sounds like it's enough time to develop a deep connection with someone. Especially when you've got the cascading effect that comes when you rely upon someone to save your life in combat. Ashley obviously thought there was a connection; she didn't seem like the type to sleep with someone unless she genuinely cared for and trusted them.

Yes, and all the more reason she'd be devastated and lash out if she thought that maybe she was wrong about that connection, about being able to trust someone. Again, you're meeting right after a battle in which Ash was paralyzed and forced to watch as a third of the colony she was trying to defend was abducted by aliens that the group Shep is working for had lured there. (A group that you also spent much of your brief time together with Ash fighting.) I think she's entitled to be a little abrupt.

I love where your head is, Matt. 

[Nigawatts]

Satanic Hamster wrote...

Thing is, I wasn't really happy with any of the romance choices in ME1. I didn't pursue Ashley; I SETTLED for her! :0

This.

It was either her, or freckles.

[Badpie]

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...


I don't know, it still seemed too abrupt. I mean, she'd had to have heard all the shooting and concluded that obviously Cerberus wasn't working with the collectors. 

I'm actually not entirely convinced TIM wasn't working with the Collectors.  In fact I'm almost certain he is the nastiest most power hungry manipulative thing int he universe and he was playing both sides.  I feel like the Alliance might kinda know what's up when they thought Cerberus was working with the COllectors.

Modifié par Badpie, 05 février 2010 - 06:41 .

[drakkan1021]

nicodeemus327 wrote...

No one likes Ashley.

This.

[Antbrawler]

drakkan1021 wrote...

nicodeemus327 wrote...

No one likes Ashley.

This.

Well if you actually bothered to read the thread at all you would of noticed he has allready been proven wrong.

[Badpie]

drakkan1021 wrote...

nicodeemus327 wrote...

No one likes Ashley.

This.

*looks around*

Yes.  Clearly you are correct.  By the way thanks for keeping this thread bumped to the top of the forum page.