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[DigitalMaster37]

Badpie wrote...

drakkan1021 wrote...

nicodeemus327 wrote...

No one likes Ashley.

This.

*looks around*

Yes.  Clearly you are correct.  By the way thanks for keeping this thread bumped to the top of the forum page. 

I told you Badpie, it's idiots like this who thinks he is sabotaging the group when he just inadvertly supported it. gotta love idiots.

[Antbrawler]

Malcolm Theory wrote...

drakkan1021 wrote...

nicodeemus327 wrote...

No one likes Ashley.

This.

Really?

I find that your supported theory has many holes and inconsistencies. For instance; one could instantly rip apart your paper thin argument by bringing attention to the fact that people like Ashley. I count myself among said people. Thus I conclude that you two either have no use of your occualr nerves, or you just like trolling threads. I'll go with the latter.

I'll go with both.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

Badpie wrote...

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...


I don't know, it still seemed too abrupt. I mean, she'd had to have heard all the shooting and concluded that obviously Cerberus wasn't working with the collectors. 

I'm actually not entirely convinced TIM wasn't working with the Collectors.  In fact I'm almost certain he is the nastiest most power hungry manipulative thing int he universe and he was playing both sides.  I feel like the Alliance might kinda know what's up when they thought Cerberus was working with the COllectors.

I wouldn't go that far. In the comic that came with the CE, Cerberus agents work with Liara to keep Shep's body from going to the collectors. He also has you running around interrupting Collector operations and working to undermine their position. I think he genuinely wants to see the reapers defeated and the collectors burned like the roaches they are, but he also wants to see humanity emerge on top, and he's willing to do whatever it takes to ensure that. Even using a reaper production facility that requires the bio-goop of millions of people to run, and even when reaper tech is known to cause you to become indoctrinated through simple proximity even when there's no reaper intelligence around to direct it.   

I would certainly say that he's nasty and power hungry. Talking to EDI after she's release indicates that he intentionally limits Cerberus activities to a set number becuase he likes to take a personal role in their execution; that suggests that he knew all about Akuze, the operation to kill Kahoku, all the experiments, etc etc etc. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if he knew about what was happening to Jack, even if the Cerberus doctors didn't think he did. 

He's definitely a flawed character, but I, even my paragon Shep, can't help but think that his heart is in the right place. The only reason I nuked the facility is because just one mission ago, I ran across a Cerberus science team that had been turned into husks just by spending time around reaper tech.

[Badpie]

TIM kind of reminds me of Loghain in a way. I know "WHAA?"



Just in that I think he genuinely thinks he's doing the right thing, but his morals are flawed because of his fanatical devotion.



Now that you mention it I'm with you on the whole not working with the collectors thing, but as far as my Shep can tell, he can't trust him as far as he can throw him, so he might as well be.



Telling him to suck it at the end was particularly satisfying.



I so wanted to run right to Ashley and be like "I-told-Cerberus-to-eff-off-can-we-be-in-love-again-I-love-you-kiss-me-do-me-you're-awesome!!!"

[Antbrawler]

Badpie wrote...

I so wanted to run right to Ashley and be like "I-told-Cerberus-to-eff-off-can-we-be-in-love-again-I-love-you-kiss-me-do-me-you're-awesome!!!"

Lol you and me both.

[SuSuSudio]

You remember your first conversation with Miranda when she told you she'd disagreed with tIM about whether or not to hardwire controls in your brain to keep you from making decisions? I thought about that when I saw the Horizon reunion scene.



I really wanted Ashley to come back on the team and would have HAPPILY given her Miranda's spot but I totally understand why she didn't trust me yet after a 30 second conversation. How could she know that I was really Shephard and not some cloned/brainwashed version of myself? I certainly wouldn't know if I'd been brainwashed so it's not like she can ask.



Ashley can trust the Alliance because she knows the leadership and she knows their intentions. Sometimes they aren't the most effective tool in the box, but they never turn people into husks and creepers. Or inject thresher maw poison into peoples' veins.



Ash made the right call staying behind - there was no way of knowing your deeper intentions, regardless of what you told her.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I wonder if I'm the only person who wishes both of the humans died in ME1. I mean, I liked Kaiden but after playing KOTOR there was no way I could let him live. And I knew I would regret letting Ashley survive and her appearance in ME2 confirmed this. Shame really. It seems kind of strange that either wouldn't have been abducted during that sequence.

[Antbrawler]

SuSuSudio wrote...

You remember your first conversation with Miranda when she told you she'd disagreed with tIM about whether or not to hardwire controls in your brain to keep you from making decisions? I thought about that when I saw the Horizon reunion scene.

I really wanted Ashley to come back on the team and would have HAPPILY given her Miranda's spot but I totally understand why she didn't trust me yet after a 30 second conversation. How could she know that I was really Shephard and not some cloned/brainwashed version of myself? I certainly wouldn't know if I'd been brainwashed so it's not like she can ask.

Ashley can trust the Alliance because she knows the leadership and she knows their intentions. Sometimes they aren't the most effective tool in the box, but they never turn people into husks and creepers. Or inject thresher maw poison into peoples' veins.

Ash made the right call staying behind - there was no way of knowing your deeper intentions, regardless of what you told her.

I completely agree, Ashley doing something different would go against her character anyway, not only does her decision make sense in relation to her character, it also makes the relationship with Ashley even more interesting going into me 3.

[AGogley]

It will be interesting to see if pursuing other romances in ME2 affects any romantic possibility with Ashley in ME3. But the way Bioware usually operates, there will be no carryover in romances between any of the games (just looking at their past history).

[Ashaman X]

I intend to remain totally faitful to Ash in the game, avoid all these romance pitfalls. What others have said here concerning the motives behind Ash's anger and distrust totally makes sense, so let us hope ME3 blows us away with how Shep and Ash make it though it all.



I romanced Ash initially in ME1 because she was hot, but later it turned to honest respect. She is a deep character if you take the time to know her. After all my Shep and she went though in ME1, the romances in ME2 just won't do it for me.



Long live Ash, let's hope for the best in ME3!

[Antbrawler]

Ashaman X wrote...

I intend to remain totally faitful to Ash in the game, avoid all these romance pitfalls. What others have said here concerning the motives behind Ash's anger and distrust totally makes sense, so let us hope ME3 blows us away with how Shep and Ash make it though it all.

I romanced Ash initially in ME1 because she was hot, but later it turned to honest respect. She is a deep character if you take the time to know her. After all my Shep and she went though in ME1, the romances in ME2 just won't do it for me.

Long live Ash, let's hope for the best in ME3!

[Badpie]

SuSuSudio wrote...

You remember your first conversation with Miranda when she told you she'd disagreed with tIM about whether or not to hardwire controls in your brain to keep you from making decisions? I thought about that when I saw the Horizon reunion scene.

I really wanted Ashley to come back on the team and would have HAPPILY given her Miranda's spot but I totally understand why she didn't trust me yet after a 30 second conversation. How could she know that I was really Shephard and not some cloned/brainwashed version of myself? I certainly wouldn't know if I'd been brainwashed so it's not like she can ask.

Ashley can trust the Alliance because she knows the leadership and she knows their intentions. Sometimes they aren't the most effective tool in the box, but they never turn people into husks and creepers. Or inject thresher maw poison into peoples' veins.

Ash made the right call staying behind - there was no way of knowing your deeper intentions, regardless of what you told her.

That's a good point about her having a perfectly justifiable worry that you aren't really yourself.  Aside from the many things going through her head now she has to a) believe that you were BROUGHT BACK FROM THE DEAD and believe that you haven't been altered in some way by an organization who is notorious for things just like this.

Modifié par Badpie, 05 février 2010 - 07:15 .

[AvalonTLW]

I would open the airlocks just for Ashley Williams... No, i would throw her in a pit full of horny Krogans.

[Badpie]

AvalonTLW wrote...

I would open the airlocks just for Ashley Williams... No, i would throw her in a pit full of horny Krogans.

She would blast them all with her shotgun and then make some witty sarcastic remark.

[Antbrawler]

AvalonTLW wrote...

I would open the airlocks just for Ashley Williams... No, i would throw her in a pit full of horny Krogans.

Those Krogans better start running.

[AvalonTLW]

Badpie wrote...

AvalonTLW wrote...

I would open the airlocks just for Ashley Williams... No, i would throw her in a pit full of horny Krogans.

She would blast them all with her shotgun and then make some witty sarcastic remark.

/waves the shotgun in front of your face.
she's stripped.

[jlb524]

Badpie wrote...

AvalonTLW wrote...

I would open the airlocks just for Ashley Williams... No, i would throw her in a pit full of horny Krogans.

She would blast them all with her shotgun and then make some witty sarcastic remark.

And, she'd look hot while doing it.

[Badpie]

AvalonTLW wrote...

Badpie wrote...

AvalonTLW wrote...

I would open the airlocks just for Ashley Williams... No, i would throw her in a pit full of horny Krogans.

She would blast them all with her shotgun and then make some witty sarcastic remark.

/waves the shotgun in front of your face.
she's stripped.

Glad to see you're down with naked Ash like the rest of us. 

*coughs.  Waits for someone to post side boob and bottom pic*

Modifié par Badpie, 05 février 2010 - 07:24 .

[DigitalMaster37]

Badpie wrote...

AvalonTLW wrote...

Badpie wrote...

AvalonTLW wrote...

I would open the airlocks just for Ashley Williams... No, i would throw her in a pit full of horny Krogans.

She would blast them all with her shotgun and then make some witty sarcastic remark.

/waves the shotgun in front of your face.
she's stripped.

Glad to see you're down with naked Ash like the rest of us. 

*coughs.  Waits for someone to post side boob and bottom pic*

This post wins!

[Antbrawler]

Badpie wrote...

AvalonTLW wrote...

Badpie wrote...

AvalonTLW wrote...

I would open the airlocks just for Ashley Williams... No, i would throw her in a pit full of horny Krogans.

She would blast them all with her shotgun and then make some witty sarcastic remark.

/waves the shotgun in front of your face.
she's stripped.

Glad to see you're down with naked Ash like the rest of us. 

I wasn't imagining any Krogan involvement though..

[Badpie]

Ash seems pretty adventurous, but I don't know about that adventurous.

[Antbrawler]

I think in my mind she can stick with my Shepard, forget the Krogans, forget everybody else!

[shinobi602]

Antbrawler wrote...

I completely agree, Ashley doing something different would go against her character anyway, not only does her decision make sense in relation to her character, it also makes the relationship with Ashley even more interesting going into me 3.

I'm definitely interested to see what happens in ME3. I know she'll want you back, hell she indirectly says it in her email to you.

[MattD47]

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...

MattD47 wrote...

I think the characterization is consistent with all three characters. Tali's trust is frankly unreasonable given Cerberus-Quarian relations, but it's supposed to be unreasonable: she's in a state of puppy love with male Shep, or hero worship with FemShep.

I don't know about that. She makes it abundantly clear (at least on a paragon run, haven't done a real renegade run yet) that she doesn't trust Cerberus as far as she can throw them. She's there because she trusts Shep, not Cerberus.

I wasn't clear: it's not Tali's trust of Shepard personally that's at issue. I'm saying that it's borderline-unreasonable for Tali to trust that Shep will be able to stay in control and not be manipulated when he's on a ship provided by Cerberus, run by an AI developed by Cerberus, staffed with a largely Cerberus crew, relying on information provided by Cerberus, etc.  On the other hand, Tali's big formative event was watching Shep save the galaxy, so she clearly thinks he can do no wrong, conquer any situation, etc.  I'm not sure I'd characterize what she has as *trust* so much as blind faith (and love, for MaleSheps) in the object of her hero worship.

But all of that Cerberus stuff is a big part of why Ash *doesn't* trust Shepard -- indeed she knows better (see below).

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...
I don't know, it still seemed too abrupt. I mean, she'd had to have heard all the shooting and concluded that obviously Cerberus wasn't working with the collectors. 

Again, apologies, I wasn't clear. I don't think Ash ever seriously believed that Shep was cooperating with the Collectors. However I do think that Ash understood, before The Illusive Man explained it to Shep (in the conversation following Horizon), that Cerberus was willing to put the Horizon colony in danger in order to lure the Collectors into an attack that Cerberus could be ready for. She would have seen the intel that Cerberus leaked to the intelligence communities about Shep's return, which led to the attack. So in her eyes, either Shep knew about this and was okay with sacrificing the colonists, or Shep was being rather willfully naive about being used as a tool by a group with the reputation of Cerberus. In neither case would he be someone she'd be in the mood to ally herself with, right there and then in the aftermath of the devastation.

Modifié par MattD47, 08 février 2010 - 06:44 .

[Badpie]

Antbrawler wrote...

I think in my mind she can stick with my Shepard, forget the Krogans, forget everybody else!

Word.