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[drunken pyromaniac]

yfhfrg wrote...

I am sure she will be back in ME3. That was the whole point of horizon. No worries.

She better, or we shall riot!

[RT0wn]

Y'know, I didn't think the first character appreciation thread I'd post in would be Ashley's, if I knew about these threads during Mass Effect 1's release. I didn't like her at all the first few times I played. Xenophobic, whiny, sarcastic. But as I played the game more and more times, I realized how ignorant I was - jumping into alien hippie-ness, not even considering the other side of the equation. Ashley's character is probably the most valid one in the Mass Effect series. I ended up liking her, a lot. Not enough to have a romance with in my canon (currently no character is good enough for that), but enough to take her in my squad again.



So keep on lovin', Ashley fans.

[ReluctantMind]

I commented in the Tali thread that the structure of the game encourages people to tear down characters they don't like. Assuming there is limited "screen time" during the game then if someone else is given the spotlight it could very well reduce the time committed to the character you love, especially if that character has similarities (Ash vs. Miranda for instance). It therefore becomes tempting to not only promote your own beloved character, but tear down the rivals in hopes of getting more game time. That would at least partly explain the hating that in most ways seems to make no sense.

[drunken pyromaniac]

RT0wn wrote...

Y'know, I didn't think the first character appreciation thread I'd post in would be Ashley's, if I knew about these threads during Mass Effect 1's release. I didn't like her at all the first few times I played. Xenophobic, whiny, sarcastic. But as I played the game more and more times, I realized how ignorant I was - jumping into alien hippie-ness, not even considering the other side of the equation. Ashley's character is probably the most valid one in the Mass Effect series. I ended up liking her, a lot. Not enough to have a romance with in my canon (currently no character is good enough for that), but enough to take her in my squad again.

So keep on lovin', Ashley fans.

Thanks for the support!

[drunken pyromaniac]

ReluctantMind wrote...

I commented in the Tali thread that the structure of the game encourages people to tear down characters they don't like. Assuming there is limited "screen time" during the game then if someone else is given the spotlight it could very well reduce the time committed to the character you love, especially if that character has similarities (Ash vs. Miranda for instance). It therefore becomes tempting to not only promote your own beloved character, but tear down the rivals in hopes of getting more game time. That would at least partly explain the hating that in most ways seems to make no sense.

Possibly, some more intelligent people may be doing it for that reason. I think most of the haters on the forums are just people looking to be jerks and rain on someone else's parade though.

[drunken pyromaniac]

XtremegamerHK47 wrote...

KOTOR......I eather cant stop thinking of how good it is, or I cant stop thinking about Bastila.
mmm......Bastila.
.....Umm.....err.....I mean go Ashley! ......

And you mock me about Jack! You...you Bastila-lover!

[Vanguard1219]

So uh, how do I phrase this? In my first play-though if ME2... I cheated on Ashley.

Oh gawd, please don't kill me!

*curls up into a fetal position, waiting for retribution that doesn't come*

So, right, first time around with my main Shepard I cheated on Ashley, but I figure at the very least you folk would be interested as to why. Originally I was planning on sticking with Ash as Shepard's better half, simply ignoring all of the skin-tight latex wearing temtations that Bioware decided to dangle in front of my face out of malice. There was, however, a turning point. Keep in mind this all happened the first time I went through the game, so I didn't know what to expect in terms of plot.

The first blow was, predictably, on Horizon. Even after all my Shepard and Ash had been through her refusal to simply trust me hit hard. The fact that Garrus was with me at the time to recieve his own share of the verbal tounge lashing didn't help much either. Now, I had been waiting to come across the love interest from ME1 for a while by the time I finally came face to face with Ash again, so I decided from Shepard's perspective that she essentially crushed him.

At this point, I was on the fence, not entirely sure what to think of Ash. Back in ME1 she had always come across as reasonable and open minded and willing to listen to other's thoughts, but here she just refused to be reasoned with. And then, almost immedeately after, with that "sting" still fresh, came Haestrom.

It honestly took one line of dialouge in that mission to make me turn away from Ash. A voice recording from Tali, saying "I wish Shepard were here."

... and I swear to the Maker if anyone cries "talimancer" there will be murders...

Again, going off of what I thought Shepard's reasoning would be, here's why. After everthing that they had been through, Eden Prime, hunting Saren, losing Kaiden on Virmire and eventually the moment they shared before Ilos and the fighting on The Citadel, Ash didn't trust Shepard when he needed her to. Tali, on the other hand, who just like Garrus and Ash had been to hell and back with him, did, and things kind of went onward from there...

Now, I'm bringing all of this very rifiting character interpretation and development up for an actual reason, beleive it or not. I'm just now getting around to playing through Insanity with this Shepard, and this time I'm conflicted about what I should do for the port-over to ME3; stay faithful to Ashley for the eventual payout in the final game or once again fall in love with Tali like I already did "naturally" on the first go around? I don't hate Ash by a long shot, but I'm sure as hell not a fan of how she behaved during her and Shepard's reunion on Horizon. After all, I romanced her for a reason and I'm kind of hoping that the payoff in ME3 will see that relationship being rekindeled, maybe even stronger than before. On the other hand I, again romanced Tali for a reason too, and despite their being consiquences down the line I wouldn't mind seeing how that one develops as well.

Thoughts? Particuarly ones with actual reasoning behind it?

[drunken pyromaniac]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

Hey Shadow! *waves*
I'm so stealing that. lol

[epoch_]

Interesting, I get really sick and I gravitate to tali, now that I'm feeling normal I come back to ashley.

[drunken pyromaniac]

epoch_ wrote...

Interesting, I get really sick and I gravitate to tali, now that I'm feeling normal I come back to ashley.

Huh, you part Swiss?

[drunken pyromaniac]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Da Shadow Master wrote...

Hey Shadow! *waves*
I'm so stealing that. lol

Hey Pyro *waves* you like that huh?

It's perfect for me.

[epoch_]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Interesting, I get really sick and I gravitate to tali, now that I'm feeling normal I come back to ashley.

Huh, you part Swiss?

I don't understand what you mean by this. lol.

[RT0wn]

Vanguard1219 wrote...
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Now, I'm bringing all of this very rifiting character interpretation and development up for an actual reason, beleive it or not. I'm just now getting around to playing through Insanity with this Shepard, and this time I'm conflicted about what I should do for the port-over to ME3; stay faithful to Ashley for the eventual payout in the final game or once again fall in love with Tali like I already did "naturally" on the first go around? I don't hate Ash by a long shot, but I'm sure as hell not a fan of how she behaved during her and Shepard's reunion on Horizon. After all, I romanced her for a reason and I'm kind of hoping that the payoff in ME3 will see that relationship being rekindeled, maybe even stronger than before. On the other hand I, again romanced Tali for a reason too, and despite their being consiquences down the line I wouldn't mind seeing how that one develops as well.

Thoughts? Particuarly ones with actual reasoning behind it?

Well, if Ashley's behavior on Horizon is enough for you to cheat on her, after being dead two years and then brought back by an organization that you both fought to take down in Mass Effect 1, by all means.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Vanguard1219 wrote...


So, right, first time around with my main Shepard I cheated on Ashley, but I figure at the very least you folk would be interested as to why. Originally I was planning on sticking with Ash as Shepard's better half, simply ignoring all of the skin-tight latex wearing temtations that Bioware decided to dangle in front of my face out of malice. There was, however, a turning point. Keep in mind this all happened the first time I went through the game, so I didn't know what to expect in terms of plot.

The first blow was, predictably, on Horizon. Even after all my Shepard and Ash had been through her refusal to simply trust me hit hard. The fact that Garrus was with me at the time to recieve his own share of the verbal tounge lashing didn't help much either. Now, I had been waiting to come across the love interest from ME1 for a while by the time I finally came face to face with Ash again, so I decided from Shepard's perspective that she essentially crushed him.

At this point, I was on the fence, not entirely sure what to think of Ash. Back in ME1 she had always come across as reasonable and open minded and willing to listen to other's thoughts, but here she just refused to be reasoned with. And then, almost immedeately after, with that "sting" still fresh, came Haestrom.

It honestly took one line of dialouge in that mission to make me turn away from Ash. A voice recording from Tali, saying "I wish Shepard were here."

... and I swear to the Maker if anyone cries "talimancer" there will be murders...

Again, going off of what I thought Shepard's reasoning would be, here's why. After everthing that they had been through, Eden Prime, hunting Saren, losing Kaiden on Virmire and eventually the moment they shared before Ilos and the fighting on The Citadel, Ash didn't trust Shepard when he needed her to. Tali, on the other hand, who just like Garrus and Ash had been to hell and back with him, did, and things kind of went onward from there...

Now, I'm bringing all of this very rifiting character interpretation and development up for an actual reason, beleive it or not. I'm just now getting around to playing through Insanity with this Shepard, and this time I'm conflicted about what I should do for the port-over to ME3; stay faithful to Ashley for the eventual payout in the final game or once again fall in love with Tali like I already did "naturally" on the first go around? I don't hate Ash by a long shot, but I'm sure as hell not a fan of how she behaved during her and Shepard's reunion on Horizon. After all, I romanced her for a reason and I'm kind of hoping that the payoff in ME3 will see that relationship being rekindeled, maybe even stronger than before. On the other hand I, again romanced Tali for a reason too, and despite their being consiquences down the line I wouldn't mind seeing how that one develops as well.

Thoughts? Particuarly ones with actual reasoning behind it?

Think of it from her perspective, she has faith, presumably from her appearence and name Christian(which of course means there are going to be issues about his resurrection); she has trust issues, and your working for a recognized terrorist organization. If I ever get married, she dies, and she comes back two years later working for Al-Qaida I would be rather shocked and distrusrful at first as well. Also,there are very few people who trust absolutely; no matter what they tell you.

[drunken pyromaniac]

epoch_ wrote...


I don't understand what you mean by this. lol.

Of course not.

[ReluctantMind]

I already owned up to my Tali fixation. I regretted not being able to romance her in ME1 and did a major double-take when Yeoman Kelly said she thought Tali wanted to be more than friends. I don't care less about Ash for this. That's the beauty of multiple characters. I think it was easy to fall for Tali in ME2 because she was the only love interest with the sort of well thought out, well scripted, and genuinely emotional romance that existed with Ash in ME1. Ash shooting Shepard down opened the door and Tali pulled him through (or me, or you). That does not diminish my support for Ash, but this time through I took a character who had been loyal to Liara and romanced Tali and will have a second character who was only loyal to Ash.

[epoch_]

XtremegamerHK47 wrote...

I think you should go with Ash for ME3. May seem biased, but just trust me.

Indeed, the eventual reunion could be so incredibly well done, especially when she finds out despite her ****ing you out on horizon, you didn't move on, that it'd be an absolute shame to miss it.

[epoch_]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

epoch_ wrote...


I don't understand what you mean by this. lol.

Of course not.