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[drunken pyromaniac]

Bergybud wrote...


The biggest complaint I have over that whole scenario is that there are so few options to use when responding to her and her accusations. Yes her reaction imo was spot on but Shep's was not.

Indeed, Shepard reacted terribly. I guess they wanted Shepard to stick his foot in his mouth for once.

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Somebody1003 wrote...

I smelled discontent.

I don't hate the collectors.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Somebody1003 wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

I smelled discontent.

I don't hate the collectors.

Good, people just have to give them a chance.

You, on the other hand, clearly hate the geth.

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drunken pyromaniac wrote...

aprilia1k wrote...



  Even though Epoch_  implies that, after looking closely at character histories, etc... and Cerbrus' past, that Ashley's dialogue kind of made sense... well- I don't agree - simply because the "counter" reasoning, which was offerred to her through Shephard's (and Garrus' if he is on Horizon) dialogue, is that "What is happening RIGHT NOW " -- (the attack and abductions), and what YOU Ashley, yourself were just SAVED from - is what matters.  Yes - it's odd how things change.  But, things change.  The original Ashley character from ME1, I _have_ to believe, would have seen through her historical/emotional responses that "YES - I saw it with my own eyes.  What I said about Cerbrus being with Collectors is pretty out-there, etc.... - not to mention I love and trust Shephard".... or whatever....  Bioware just made her say "FU" and walk away.  That did suck.  So, perhaps she did not suck - but the script really made a bad impression on a player new to Mass Effect (2).   Not going out of my way to look for that character in subsequent outings.  I think it is understandable.  Oh well -- Like I said - I don't know the lingo and etiquette what-have-you around gamer's forums.  I post on Engineering forums fairly often - and don't see conversations like I did on this thread - so, pardon me for seeing it differently.  Hey -cool game though, eh?  

Cerberus is a terrorist organization, something that was explained in ME1 so it's understandable you don't know that. Also, she just saw her two-year dead lover after seeing several hundred or thousand people whisked off.I think she reacted fairly normally in those rather extraordinary circumstances.

Quoted incase aprilia missed it.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Somebody1003 wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

You, on the other hand, clearly hate the geth.

I actually dont. I like them a lot and think they are cool. I just wouldnt hold them above organics and definitely not the collectors.

The collectors have all the intelligence of ants though.

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Somebody1003 wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

The collectors have all the intelligence of ants though.

They know what they are doing. Plus they have all that great tech.

They want to kill us all.

[aprilia1k]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Bergybud wrote...


The biggest complaint I have over that whole scenario is that there are so few options to use when responding to her and her accusations. Yes her reaction imo was spot on but Shep's was not.

Indeed, Shepard reacted terribly. I guess they wanted Shepard to stick his foot in his mouth for once.

I see your point, Shepard's dialogue choices could have been much better - BUT --- before they even talked, she decided how she would react if he was on a Cerbrus ship ---  never mind the reasoning or the immediate/current situation (aliens coming very close to taking her away).  You think her proposal that maybe Cerbrus is behind the Collectors (and then send their Shepard investment to duke it out???)  was a reasonable response?    really?  Hmmm...   I think she should have believed in him before he said a word -- especially after seeing him send the Collectors packing before they finished HARVESTING the colony she was living with... she had just called him a hero and a GOD... then, forget all that ---- I'm loyal to the Alliance by God...  yeah - not to YOU Shepard - to the Alliance.  Never mind what they did after you died...  Come on!!!   She was "spot on"???  Give me a break man.

- but wait --- why did others (Joker, Doctor, engineers, Garrus, Tali...) NOT have such strong immediate mistrust for there beloved Shepard?   They reasoned it out and saw that despite Cerbrus being SCUM, that they knew and trusted Shepard -    These folks took offense that the Alliance would cast aspersions upon Shepard the hero - for they KNEW the truth.  So did Ash.   They called him crazy - and she KNEW he was right... so, why would she side with them after all that?   I cannot agree with you.  

[aprilia1k]

Modifié par aprilia1k, 16 avril 2010 - 04:06 .

[FROST4584]

Bump for Ashley, one of Mass Effect's best characters. Far better than boring Alenko or whatever his name is .

[epoch_]

Ok, first off,
http://tinypic.com/m/9tig49/4

aprilia1k wrote...


  Even though Epoch_  implies that,
after looking closely at character histories, etc... and Cerbrus' past,
that Ashley's dialogue kind of made sense... well- I don't agree -
simply because the "counter" reasoning, which was offerred to her
through Shephard's (and Garrus' if he is on Horizon) dialogue, is that
"What is happening RIGHT NOW " -- (the attack and abductions), and what
YOU Ashley, yourself were just SAVED from - is what matters.

Ok, Ash is a soldier in the alliance. Just looking at that alone, it is desertion if she were to just pack up her things and leave with shepard. Given the history of her family (you are aware her family's name is already tarnished in the alliance, yes), this would pretty much be the final nail in the coffin of her military career. Especially considering she's abandoning her post to join a group of terrorists. (they are terrorist, don't kid yourself). Now that's just looking at it purely from a soldier's stand point. From a personal stand point, she watched her lover die as his ship exploded behind him. She saw him die. Imagine if you saw the person you care for walk out into the street tomorrow and get hit by a car. You see him/her die. Now imagine 2 years from now, he/she walks up to you and asks you hey, how have you been? You would be absolutely freaking out. Now imagine they tell you a secret terrorist organizations were the ones who brought them back to life and now they want you to come with you to "save the world".

If you can honestly tell me that right then and there, on the spot, you would get your things and go with them, well then, we're probably wasting our time here.

aprilia1k wrote...
What I said about Cerbrus being with Collectors is pretty out-there,
etc.... - not to mention I love and trust Shephard".... or whatever.... 
Bioware just made her say "FU" and walk away.  That did suck.  So,
perhaps she did not suck - but the script really made a bad impression
on a player new to Mass Effect (2).   Not going out of my way to look
for that character in subsequent outings.  I think it is
understandable.  Oh well -- Like I said - I don't know the lingo and
etiquette what-have-you around gamer's forums. 

She didn't go "**** you". You know what she did? She went back to the council and reported that the collectors were behind the attack and it wasn't Cerberus. She actually helped you. She even tried to find evidence that would convince the council the collectors were linked to the reapers.

Now ME2 was about this new set of characters. You got to know ashley really well in ME1. By creating this relatively uncomfortable situation, Bioware is pushing the player to get to know these great new characters. Another thing to think about, Bioware has said that the virmire survivor (ash or kaidan) didn't join your ME2 squad so now they can have a role in ME3. I agree that the conversation didn't go well with her in ME2. However I think the emotional impact of it will make the reunion and eventuall fixing of the relationship (you can fix your relationship with ash/kaidan in ME3), will be all the better because the couple experienced a relatively low point in their relationship.

Last thing, I felt EXACTLY like you do right now about 2 months ago.

Modifié par epoch_, 16 avril 2010 - 04:13 .

[aprilia1k]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

aprilia1k wrote...



  Even though Epoch_  implies that, after looking closely at character histories, etc... and Cerbrus' past, that Ashley's dialogue kind of made sense... well- I don't agree - simply because the "counter" reasoning, which was offerred to her through Shephard's (and Garrus' if he is on Horizon) dialogue, is that "What is happening RIGHT NOW " -- (the attack and abductions), and what YOU Ashley, yourself were just SAVED from - is what matters.  Yes - it's odd how things change.  But, things change.  The original Ashley character from ME1, I _have_ to believe, would have seen through her historical/emotional responses that "YES - I saw it with my own eyes.  What I said about Cerbrus being with Collectors is pretty out-there, etc.... - not to mention I love and trust Shephard".... or whatever....  Bioware just made her say "FU" and walk away.  That did suck.  So, perhaps she did not suck - but the script really made a bad impression on a player new to Mass Effect (2).   Not going out of my way to look for that character in subsequent outings.  I think it is understandable.  Oh well -- Like I said - I don't know the lingo and etiquette what-have-you around gamer's forums.  I post on Engineering forums fairly often - and don't see conversations like I did on this thread - so, pardon me for seeing it differently.  Hey -cool game though, eh?  

Cerberus is a terrorist organization, something that was explained in ME1 so it's understandable you don't know that. Also, she just saw her two-year dead lover after seeing several hundred or thousand people whisked off.I think she reacted fairly normally in those rather extraordinary circumstances.

Quoted incase aprilia missed it.

BUT -- yes, she had just gone through alot, and dead lover or not (depends I suppose), he just SAVED her from that very circumstance.  She was calm and cool enough to have her say at him.  But... oh well -- if you think she reacted normally - well, I have to disagree, that's all.  I thought "very bad script move here" -- yeah, they could have given me more intelligent or compelling dialogue choices -- but hell, the other friends from my past -- they believed in me, and were willing to listen -- some of 'em LEFT the Alliance because of what they did to Shepard's good name....  and joined immediately to go get the bad guys when Shepard was back -- but his CLOSEST friend, or thereabouts?  NO - she thinks he's either a bad guy or a fool...  and she feels no compulsion to trust him or to defend him against her beloved Alliance, etc./??  Come on -- it seems like - not much of a friend, harrowing experience or not (and I imagine it was not her first experience with bloodthirsty scary aliens after all).  We will never agree if you truly think that script was a good response for Ashley.  But thanks for giving me the time of day after my previous discrepancies.

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aprilia1k wrote...


I see your point, Shepard's dialogue choices could have been much better - BUT --- before they even talked, she decided how she would react if he was on a Cerbrus ship ---  never mind the reasoning or the immediate/current situation (aliens coming very close to taking her away).  You think her proposal that maybe Cerbrus is behind the Collectors (and then send their Shepard investment to duke it out???)  was a reasonable response?    really?  Hmmm...   I think she should have believed in him before he said a word -- especially after seeing him send the Collectors packing before they finished HARVESTING the colony she was living with... she had just called him a hero and a GOD... then, forget all that ---- I'm loyal to the Alliance by God...  yeah - not to YOU Shepard - to the Alliance.  Never mind what they did after you died...  Come on!!!   She was "spot on"???  Give me a break man.

- but wait --- why did others (Joker, Doctor, engineers, Garrus, Tali...) NOT have such strong immediate mistrust for there beloved Shepard?   They reasoned it out and saw that despite Cerbrus being SCUM, that they knew and trusted Shepard -    These folks took offense that the Alliance would cast aspersions upon Shepard the hero - for they KNEW the truth.  So did Ash.   They called him crazy - and she KNEW he was right... so, why would she side with them after all that?   I cannot agree with you.  

Imagine if a friend or your girlfriend died. Terrible right? Now imagine if they came back two years later working for Al-Qaida. That is a similar situation to what Shepard and Ashley are in right now. Also, as nice as it is to believe so, real people don't trust unconditionally. Most people will always have doubts.

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Somebody1003 wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

They want to kill us all.

So did the heretics.<_<

I don't support the heretics, I support the geth.

[Bergybud]

aprilia1k wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Bergybud wrote...


The biggest complaint I have over that whole scenario is that there are so few options to use when responding to her and her accusations. Yes her reaction imo was spot on but Shep's was not.

Indeed, Shepard reacted terribly. I guess they wanted Shepard to stick his foot in his mouth for once.

I see your point, Shepard's dialogue choices could have been much better - BUT --- before they even talked, she decided how she would react if he was on a Cerbrus ship ---  never mind the reasoning or the immediate/current situation (aliens coming very close to taking her away).  You think her proposal that maybe Cerbrus is behind the Collectors (and then send their Shepard investment to duke it out???)  was a reasonable response?    really?  Hmmm...   I think she should have believed in him before he said a word -- especially after seeing him send the Collectors packing before they finished HARVESTING the colony she was living with... she had just called him a hero and a GOD... then, forget all that ---- I'm loyal to the Alliance by God...  yeah - not to YOU Shepard - to the Alliance.  Never mind what they did after you died...  Come on!!!   She was "spot on"???  Give me a break man.

- but wait --- why did others (Joker, Doctor, engineers, Garrus, Tali...) NOT have such strong immediate mistrust for there beloved Shepard?   They reasoned it out and saw that despite Cerbrus being SCUM, that they knew and trusted Shepard -    These folks took offense that the Alliance would cast aspersions upon Shepard the hero - for they KNEW the truth.  So did Ash.   They called him crazy - and she KNEW he was right... so, why would she side with them after all that?   I cannot agree with you.  

Joker worked for Cerberus since he was shipped out after the Normandy was destroyed. Chakwas wanted to be close to someone she respects and admires (Joker). The engineers were vocal in their support of Shep and were offered positions in Cerberus after being mustered out. Gabby followed because Kenneth went and she has a crush on him. Tali did have a strong mistrust of Cerberus and still does due to the attack on one of their ships and states she is working for Shep not Cerberus. Garrus has misgivings as well granted not as vocal as Tali but they are there none-the-less.

Ash is loyal to the alliance because she is trying to redeem her family name. She has very strong ties to her family and father in particular. She recites poetry at the grave of her father and was looking to die on Virmire vice Kaidan. She trusts the Shep she knew but did not know he was alive and was stunned beyond belief that he was standing there before her. Anderson sent her there because of the rumors about Shep working for Cerberus leaked by Tim. Try to imagine how that hit her. Not only was Shep alive but possibly working for Cerberus. She was trying to get over him now he is back and maybe a bad guy now (thanks Tim you schmuk).

So I understand her reaction to a point but the options given for responses and dialogue were just lacking to the point of stupidity. She was a Love interest, Garrus and Tali were squad members without the strong emotion of love in the mix.

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epoch_ wrote...
....
Last thing, I felt EXACTLY like you do right now about 2 months ago.

Well - thank you.  Cuz I feel like this Ashley chick can go to hell     And don't see why, no matter the history, any Shepard character would ever want to listen to a word she had to say ever again.

As far as her assistance with the Council?  What about Anderson?  He knew these things before the Horizon incident ever happened.  He said he was trying and trying to convince them of Reaper threat, et al....  why does Ash get all this credit?  I missed something in the "news" then if she defended Shepard.  She sure blew it in my book.
And - I still doubt that I will feel exactly as you do about 2 months from now.  But thank you

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aprilia1k wrote...


BUT -- yes, she had just gone through alot, and dead lover or not (depends I suppose), he just SAVED her from that very circumstance.  She was calm and cool enough to have her say at him.  But... oh well -- if you think she reacted normally - well, I have to disagree, that's all.  I thought "very bad script move here" -- yeah, they could have given me more intelligent or compelling dialogue choices -- but hell, the other friends from my past -- they believed in me, and were willing to listen -- some of 'em LEFT the Alliance because of what they did to Shepard's good name....  and joined immediately to go get the bad guys when Shepard was back -- but his CLOSEST friend, or thereabouts?  NO - she thinks he's either a bad guy or a fool...  and she feels no compulsion to trust him or to defend him against her beloved Alliance, etc./??  Come on -- it seems like - not much of a friend, harrowing experience or not (and I imagine it was not her first experience with bloodthirsty scary aliens after all).  We will never agree if you truly think that script was a good response for Ashley.  But thanks for giving me the time of day after my previous discrepancies.

Fair enough, some people will never agree. All we ask is you respect our opinions.
I think she seems more real becsuse she doesn't trust you immediately. I know I wouldn't after something like that.

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Da Shadow Master wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...


I don't support the heretics, I support the geth.

You anti-Quarian bastard....KILL KILL!!!!!!

They're a race of Dr.Frankensteins, that is all.