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[drunken pyromaniac]

aprilia1k wrote...


You may be right.  If it is just a lashing out after a bad day -- then it's sad, because it's their last encounter (at least so far) and their first after his death 2 years ago....   I'm Shepard -- I am HAPPY to see the closest, most devoted friend I ever had (I was led to believe anyway - through plot devices   --- and she tells me she doesn't trust me (hey, it's not like they just met, btw.  She should trust him, I say, based upon her experience with him --- with Shepard.  ) the fact that she sends an email apology, imho, supports my case...  she felt she had something to apologize for.  It is unfortunate that I, for whatever reason -- NEVER got that email, and never saw it or heard of it until today--- a further explanation I would hope, for my disappointment in the plot and it's devices ....    

Good, at leat you can see our side. She did do something wrong, but Shepard acted like an ass as well. Plot-enforced ****ery if you will.

I really felt that, after the Liara encounter on Illium, that she loved and trusted her old friend ---  perhaps you disagree -- but it seems to me that Liara is a friend for life and I (Shepard) feel damn lucky to have a friend like her.  I felt like... man....  not much of a friend... after my encounter with Ash on Horizon.  I still feel that way. Yeah - she had a bad day.  The writing/plot device/etc...  basically did not inject intrigue for me --- it simply subtracted or detracted or sucked... a good reunion moment.  Even after her tirade.... when she walked away -- as if to say "Have a good look at this butt... it is the last time you are going to see it".... and hell...... my heart just 'bout broke.  

:-)

Thanks for the exchanges

Why would I not get the Ashley letter btw... is there some action that must be taken?  When does it happen?  

Go over to the Liara thread, there is a lot of bitterness there. The reson you didn't get the e-mail is because you never played ME1 and thus are not following the romance path with her. Only people who romanced her or Kaidan got e-mails after the Horizon encounter.
And no problem on the exchanges, it's been a pleasure after the initial unpleasantness.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

Look at this...
I find his ignorance intriguing.

Heavy risk...



But the priiiize.

[aprilia1k]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Da Shadow Master wrote...

This is fun...I can't stop laughing.

Well, I'm glad your having fun. Feel free to help anytime, you cretin! He writes a ton everytime!

I am a s/w eng and have touch-typed for 30 years +/-   So it's easy to write a ton I guess.

It's not like I'm just spewing bullsh** --- I think I make some pretty valid points.  And as I've said, regardless of how wrong you think I am, I don't think you're wrong - you just don't agree with my reaction to the script/plot-device whatever.  You think more writing will somehow give you the "win"?    I don't think it's the quantity of verbage -- granted to say more one often needs more words --- but, you could pile 'em on for pages and I wouldn't think the plot device was any more appropriate than I do right now.  If I'd gotten an apology, then maybe    heh... *smile*

Not sure if Shadow Mast.. is flinging an insult or not.  These same discussions went on when the thread was new, it would seem.  If he is flinging, well ---  whatever.  I was and remained unconvinced that the plot and script represented a true blue friend, bad day or not.  I think you make your points well pretty much, but you don't seem to ack anything I say --- and I think I am fairly convincing.  Hell, I am totally convinced by what I say here...    
Then again, perhaps I too, am lashing out... after a bad day.

*smile*

[aprilia1k]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Da Shadow Master wrote...

This is fun...I can't stop laughing.

Well, I'm glad your having fun. Feel free to help anytime, you cretin! He writes a ton everytime!

Look at this...
I find his ignorance intriguing.

I resemble that remark

[drunken pyromaniac]

aprilia1k wrote...

I am a s/w eng and have touch-typed for 30 years +/-   So it's easy to write a ton I guess.

It's not like I'm just spewing bullsh** --- I think I make some pretty valid points.  And as I've said, regardless of how wrong you think I am, I don't think you're wrong - you just don't agree with my reaction to the script/plot-device whatever.  You think more writing will somehow give you the "win"?    I don't think it's the quantity of verbage -- granted to say more one often needs more words --- but, you could pile 'em on for pages and I wouldn't think the plot device was any more appropriate than I do right now.  If I'd gotten an apology, then maybe    heh... *smile*

Not sure if Shadow Mast.. is flinging an insult or not.  These same discussions went on when the thread was new, it would seem.  If he is flinging, well ---  whatever.  I was and remained unconvinced that the plot and script represented a true blue friend, bad day or not.  I think you make your points well pretty much, but you don't seem to ack anything I say --- and I think I am fairly convincing.  Hell, I am totally convinced by what I say here...    
Then again, perhaps I too, am lashing out... after a bad day.

*smile*

Fair enough, you're allowed to have your own opinions, it just felt very hostile when we saw the original posts in the resurrected Ash posts. The reason I only counter some posts is that I'm working on something else at the same time and find it hard to address the sheer mountain of points you bring up.

[aprilia1k]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

aprilia1k wrote...


You may be right.  If it is just a lashing out after a bad day -- then it's sad, because it's their last encounter (at least so far) and their first after his death 2 years ago....   I'm Shepard -- I am HAPPY to see the closest, most devoted friend I ever had (I was led to believe anyway - through plot devices   --- and she tells me she doesn't trust me (hey, it's not like they just met, btw.  She should trust him, I say, based upon her experience with him --- with Shepard.  ) the fact that she sends an email apology, imho, supports my case...  she felt she had something to apologize for.  It is unfortunate that I, for whatever reason -- NEVER got that email, and never saw it or heard of it until today--- a further explanation I would hope, for my disappointment in the plot and it's devices ....    

Good, at leat you can see our side. She did do something wrong, but Shepard acted like an ass as well. Plot-enforced ****ery if you will.

I really felt that, after the Liara encounter on Illium, that she loved and trusted her old friend ---  perhaps you disagree -- but it seems to me that Liara is a friend for life and I (Shepard) feel damn lucky to have a friend like her.  I felt like... man....  not much of a friend... after my encounter with Ash on Horizon.  I still feel that way. Yeah - she had a bad day.  The writing/plot device/etc...  basically did not inject intrigue for me --- it simply subtracted or detracted or sucked... a good reunion moment.  Even after her tirade.... when she walked away -- as if to say "Have a good look at this butt... it is the last time you are going to see it".... and hell...... my heart just 'bout broke.  

:-)

Thanks for the exchanges

Why would I not get the Ashley letter btw... is there some action that must be taken?  When does it happen?  

Go over to the Liara thread, there is a lot of bitterness there. The reson you didn't get the e-mail is because you never played ME1 and thus are not following the romance path with her. Only people who romanced her or Kaidan got e-mails after the Horizon encounter.
And no problem on the exchanges, it's been a pleasure after the initial unpleasantness.

Well said Pyro.How can he criticize Ash based on what he's seen in ME2.My advice to him is to play ME1
then see if he'll feel the same way.

Okay - fair enough.  I am sure, it would only make sense, that I'd feel alot more "defensive" around Ashley and her actions/script... at the same time -- notice that you had to tell me that there was a problem with Liara.  I got that she was like "I need to do this on my own... I can't be doing your thing... " etc.. and perhaps, as you allude, there's alot more going on.  Nonetheless -- having not had any ME1 experience with Liara OR Ash.... I found that Liara 1) still cared  2) trusted - for sure (really think so) 3) understood my position in being on a Cerbrus ship going after the bad guys...   with Ash (granted she didn't have the information (pun) that Liara had), I felt like ---  she is totally rejecting me --- none of my other old friends did (and yes, most expressed apprehension about Cerbrus --- but still expressed trust in Shepards motives -- even Anderson, may I point out).   WIth Ash -- my old best friend is thinking really really BAD stuff about my character, she won't listen, etc.... so --- that was the feeling: Liara equal "Good friend", Ashley equal "not-friend"

If the combat was more like Me2, I'd want to play ME1....   is it not as annoying as I imagine it would be?

[drunken pyromaniac]

aprilia1k wrote...

Okay - fair enough.  I am sure, it would only make sense, that I'd feel alot more "defensive" around Ashley and her actions/script... at the same time -- notice that you had to tell me that there was a problem with Liara.  I got that she was like "I need to do this on my own... I can't be doing your thing... " etc.. and perhaps, as you allude, there's alot more going on.  Nonetheless -- having not had any ME1 experience with Liara OR Ash.... I found that Liara 1) still cared  2) trusted - for sure (really think so) 3) understood my position in being on a Cerbrus ship going after the bad guys...   with Ash (granted she didn't have the information (pun) that Liara had), I felt like ---  she is totally rejecting me --- none of my other old friends did (and yes, most expressed apprehension about Cerbrus --- but still expressed trust in Shepards motives -- even Anderson, may I point out).   WIth Ash -- my old best friend is thinking really really BAD stuff about my character, she won't listen, etc.... so --- that was the feeling: Liara equal "Good friend", Ashley equal "not-friend"

If the combat was more like Me2, I'd want to play ME1....   is it not as annoying as I imagine it would be?

As far as I can tell, you can't honestly judge a character we got to know over 18-25 hours from a 5 minute cameo. It just doesn't work. I don't know what you usually play but I would definitely recommend buying ME1 and playing it. The main reason that the developers said Ash,Kaidan, and Liara weren't squadmates was they were being saved for ME3.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Da Shadow Master wrote...


Looks like you've won that round hehe:P

[aprilia1k]

Heh.. okay. I realize that I can't judge the whole character and dismiss her as "not worth the time" (my initial, I felt justified, reaction)... And you have agreed that she bahaved badly. You said Shep did too, but I think lack of more persuasive dialogue is not necessarily behaving badly... yes, I was frustrated - but more so at her for not being even the tiniest bit understanding. So, we agree mostly - and I have to believe that even you were disappointed in Ashley the first time you ran through the closing on Horizon... Disappointed that she was being so judgemental.



In a way, I think what you say here actually supports my own response -- you say that you "got to know" Ashley over 18-25 hours --- longer in the timeline of the story.. and even after all of that - she was ready to believe the very worst of Shepard. ;-) I don't mean to judge her - but I feel justified in being disappointed in this great friend of Shepard's having so little faith in him. Bad day and all -- I restate now, and you probably do too. I think we actually met there somewhere in the middle for a little while - and I thank you.. It's funny - when I look at TLJ (a favorite actor btw) in your avatar -- I keep seeing "The Doctor" --- you may know what I mean if you're a SF fan. That may be affecting my responses --- he was such a know-it-all



I think I will go ahead and look for ME1 somewhere, since the immersion of this Mass Effect thing is pretty kickass. And I wouldn't mind having Ashley be nice and then giving me that prize view as she turns away



Cheers!

[aprilia1k]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

aprilia1k wrote...

Okay - fair enough.  I am sure, it would only make sense, that I'd feel alot more "defensive" around Ashley and her actions/script... at the same time -- notice that you had to tell me that there was a problem with Liara.  I got that she was like "I need to do this on my own... I can't be doing your thing... " etc.. and perhaps, as you allude, there's alot more going on.  Nonetheless -- having not had any ME1 experience with Liara OR Ash.... I found that Liara 1) still cared  2) trusted - for sure (really think so) 3) understood my position in being on a Cerbrus ship going after the bad guys...   with Ash (granted she didn't have the information (pun) that Liara had), I felt like ---  she is totally rejecting me --- none of my other old friends did (and yes, most expressed apprehension about Cerbrus --- but still expressed trust in Shepards motives -- even Anderson, may I point out).   WIth Ash -- my old best friend is thinking really really BAD stuff about my character, she won't listen, etc.... so --- that was the feeling: Liara equal "Good friend", Ashley equal "not-friend"

If the combat was more like Me2, I'd want to play ME1....   is it not as annoying as I imagine it would be?

As far as I can tell, you can't honestly judge a character we got to know over 18-25 hours from a 5 minute cameo. It just doesn't work. I don't know what you usually play but I would definitely recommend buying ME1 and playing it. The main reason that the developers said Ash,Kaidan, and Liara weren't squadmates was they were being saved for ME3.

Looks like you've won that round hehe:P

HARDLY-- hah... I hadda go eat something man.

No - I will never ever ever admit defeat -- and I am certain that you will not either... I think that as a whole, I am at a disadvantage here in the "Ashley Williams support thread"..... so perhaps we should have another round in the "Ashley Williams Be Damned" thread, eh? 

I think I did pretty well considering the opponent(s). ... give me that ... I had my points....

[drunken pyromaniac]

aprilia1k wrote...

Heh.. okay. I realize that I can't judge the whole character and dismiss her as "not worth the time" (my initial, I felt justified, reaction)... And you have agreed that she bahaved badly. You said Shep did too, but I think lack of more persuasive dialogue is not necessarily behaving badly... yes, I was frustrated - but more so at her for not being even the tiniest bit understanding. So, we agree mostly - and I have to believe that even you were disappointed in Ashley the first time you ran through the closing on Horizon... Disappointed that she was being so judgemental.

In a way, I think what you say here actually supports my own response -- you say that you "got to know" Ashley over 18-25 hours --- longer in the timeline of the story.. and even after all of that - she was ready to believe the very worst of Shepard. ;-) I don't mean to judge her - but I feel justified in being disappointed in this great friend of Shepard's having so little faith in him. Bad day and all -- I restate now, and you probably do too. I think we actually met there somewhere in the middle for a little while - and I thank you.. It's funny - when I look at TLJ (a favorite actor btw) in your avatar -- I keep seeing "The Doctor" --- you may know what I mean if you're a SF fan. That may be affecting my responses --- he was such a know-it-all

I think I will go ahead and look for ME1 somewhere, since the immersion of this Mass Effect thing is pretty kickass. And I wouldn't mind having Ashley be nice and then giving me that prize view as she turns away

Cheers!

I still don't agree with everything you say but I have to say you've been very reasonable. I hope you come again, hopefully earlier so I have some help working through your mountains of text! lol
Definitelly get ME1, I think you'll like it.
Anyway, I got to head to bed. After crushing Somebody and Rune and dueling to a draw with aprilia, I'm exhausted!
*waves* NIght everybody!

[aprilia1k]

Da Shadow Master wrote...


I think you're extremely lucky that a certain little cretin isn't here.I know he'd be flaming you for your opinion.
Trust me I know.I was flamed by this individual just for supporting Miranda as well lol.

Well -- considering he's a little cretin - his flames wouldn't bother me.  And we didn't flame each other here really -- I can flame too, especially little cretins.  But no one ever really wins when dealing with cretins, do they? 

I guess I was lucky since all that sour mean nasty negative energy doesn't do most of us good.. hell, the flaming cretin probably not a happy camper in the real world, after all.. So, yes --- I am glad there were no flaming cretins here tonight :-)

Ciao

[BECC4]

@aprilia, I just got up and have only read this page but I notice you mention trust, I just want you to look at it another way. You spend 2 yrs getting over the love of your life, then BAM, he shows up and tells you he wasn't actually dead. Now regardless of whether or not I trusted him implicitly or not that would surely shake your confidence in him, it would mine and it's not like D&D, resurrection isn't exactly common place. So initially when she's still suprises, a litttle hurt and angry she has doubts about you, do you blame her?! Of course the e-mail which you've not seen shows that she does actually trust you and care for you.



I agree with Pyro play ME1 take some time to consider it from her point of view. I apologise if this has been said before ;-)

[Yana Montana]

[aprilia1k]

So - seriously. I feel like, even though I didn't PLAY ME1 (yet), if I had, that me and Ash would have hooked for certain - PLEASE can someone post the letter from Ash? Should have gotten it even if not an ME1 import, imho. thx