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[ejoslin]

errant_knight wrote...

Well, he's not wrong.... Nor is he wrong in resisting the ritual. One can find reasons to justify both actions, but his instincts are the more noble ones.

I don't think Alistair will refuse to do the ritual if he's at 100 love with the warden.  He may say he's against it, but he will do anything to protect the Warden if he loves her.  I'm not sure if he will refuse it or not if he's got the "still in love" tag but is at friendly.  I'll test that.

Using the choices that would make him refuse just at friendly-never-romanced, he still is agreeing.  I could go through ALL of the choices, but it's pretty safe to say he will not refuse to do the ritual if either "in love," or "still in love."  And this is a character who dumped him early.  He doesn't like it much, but he doesn't resist it either.  The Warden is the one who has to back out under those circumstances.

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 février 2010 - 07:14 .

[Maria13]

He was at 100 love for me and unhardened and on the ritual I simply said, "do as I say", so he did. Good conversation at the end on that, he says something along the lines of "Isn't it good we're both still here" and tells me he guessed that the ritual had something to do with conceiving a child, even though I did not tell him that. He also asks me what we shd tell the grey wardens if they ask and I told him to tell the truth. He says "What that we conceived a child with an apostate so we cd save our lives? That'll go down well. I think I'll just act stupid. There's a talent to that, you know."

[Sapphire Hawke]

How much affects the end postcards? I tried several different endings with hardened and un-hardened Alistair, and my cards didn't change much. I was quite disappointed!



Are there certain things that have to be done to get more and better postcards? My last playthrough where my character Moreta Cousland stayed as his mistress resulted in no mention of her at all in the epilogue. I wish I remembered exactly what it said, but it was pretty brief!



Also, out of the several endings I've done with different characters, only once have I had a postcard for each companion (ie. what happened to Zevran and Leliana etc.) usually I get a generic "the hero's companions scattered to the four winds" kind of thing. Do any of you know why that might be? or is the ending quite random?

[ejoslin]

Leaf Songlian wrote...

How much affects the end postcards? I tried several different endings with hardened and un-hardened Alistair, and my cards didn't change much. I was quite disappointed!

Are there certain things that have to be done to get more and better postcards? My last playthrough where my character Moreta Cousland stayed as his mistress resulted in no mention of her at all in the epilogue. I wish I remembered exactly what it said, but it was pretty brief!

Also, out of the several endings I've done with different characters, only once have I had a postcard for each companion (ie. what happened to Zevran and Leliana etc.) usually I get a generic "the hero's companions scattered to the four winds" kind of thing. Do any of you know why that might be? or is the ending quite random?

You only get the epilogue cards for everyone if you sacrifice yourself.  You get the cards only for your romantic partner if you're still alive.  You get a card if you don't marry Alistair and become Chancellor, or if you become his queen, but you don't get two cards if you're both chancellor and princess-consort -- you just get the princess-consort one.  The princess-consort card is different if you have romanced him (either with him or dumped him at some point after he fell in love) or have never romanced him and married him for political reasons only.

Edit: The first card is different with hardened and unhardened Alistair, but that's it.

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 février 2010 - 07:51 .

[Sandtigress]

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Well, he's not wrong.... Nor is he wrong in resisting the ritual. One can find reasons to justify both actions, but his instincts are the more noble ones.

I don't think Alistair will refuse to do the ritual if he's at 100 love with the warden.  He may say he's against it, but he will do anything to protect the Warden if he loves her.  I'm not sure if he will refuse it or not if he's got the "still in love" tag but is at friendly.  I'll test that.

Using the choices that would make him refuse just at friendly-never-romanced, he still is agreeing.  I could go through ALL of the choices, but it's pretty safe to say he will not refuse to do the ritual if either "in love," or "still in love."  And this is a character who dumped him early.  He doesn't like it much, but he doesn't resist it either.  The Warden is the one who has to back out under those circumstances.

He has rejected the ritual for my Dalish elf, who he was 100 friendly/still in love with that he dumped at the Landsmeet.  This is using the dialogue options with no persuade checks though.

[ejoslin]

Sandtigress wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Well, he's not wrong.... Nor is he wrong in resisting the ritual. One can find reasons to justify both actions, but his instincts are the more noble ones.

I don't think Alistair will refuse to do the ritual if he's at 100 love with the warden.  He may say he's against it, but he will do anything to protect the Warden if he loves her.  I'm not sure if he will refuse it or not if he's got the "still in love" tag but is at friendly.  I'll test that.

Using the choices that would make him refuse just at friendly-never-romanced, he still is agreeing.  I could go through ALL of the choices, but it's pretty safe to say he will not refuse to do the ritual if either "in love," or "still in love."  And this is a character who dumped him early.  He doesn't like it much, but he doesn't resist it either.  The Warden is the one who has to back out under those circumstances.

He has rejected the ritual for my Dalish elf, who he was 100 friendly/still in love with that he dumped at the Landsmeet.  This is using the dialogue options with no persuade checks though.

Are you sure he was at 100?  I'll go through again, but I have not been able to get him to refuse, using NO persuade checks at all, on my mage who dumped him immediately after the "where do you think this is going" speech.  YOU can back out during that conversation, but he won't.  I don't think.  Do you remember what he said?  Because it takes a couple of minutes for each check.

[Sandtigress]

ejoslin wrote...
Are you sure he was at 100?  I'll go through again, but I have not been able to get him to refuse, using NO persuade checks at all, on my mage who dumped him immediately after the "where do you think this is going" speech.  YOU can back out during that conversation, but he won't.  I don't think.  Do you remember what he said?  Because it takes a couple of minutes for each check.

Yes, he's most definitely at 100 - I got a short drop pre-Landsmeet but fixed that with Duncan's shield.  It might make the difference that HE dumped her after Landsmeet and it wasn't her doing the dumping.  We went through the "We're friends, right?" dialog, then I've done several of the non-persuade options, and he's refused to do it twice.

I can still get him to do it easily with the persuade checks.  Maybe the difference is that I've told him both times about the baby?  I just think the crack in his voice when he talks about the "demon....GOD....thing!" is hilarious.  I'll give it a go later without that, and see if he agrees with no checks.

Modifié par Sandtigress, 05 février 2010 - 08:13 .

[Addai]

Wow, I've never had Alistair refuse ever. I think I'd be quite flummoxed at that!

[Sandtigress]

Heh, the last time, he told her that he didn't want to because no one knew what would happen the next day - Riordan could end it all, or either of them could die before they ever got to the Archdemon. So she left him at the gates so the king wouldn't be at risk, he told her to make sure she made it back because he didn't want to lose another Warden, or another friend. She told him "We both know how this ends." to which he replied that he knew, and that they would never forget her sacrifice.



That epilogue was really touching, for me, because he had hunted down her clan to give them the Hinterlands for her sacrifice. Her Keeper's lines were really sad - "She was our sister and daughter before she was your hero." Nearly made me cry!

[ejoslin]

Yeh, I've tried to get him to refuse. "Do it because I say so!" Even that, all the options except the warden backing out lead to Morrigan. I'll try it with the friend line. But that's the one I always pick anyway. I think, actually, that the romance flags are bugged. I've had it a few times where I KNOW Alistair should have been "still in love" but he wasn't. That you know, though, in the conversation with Morrigan, whether she refers to you as the woman he loves or asks if you really want him to get all the glory.

Edit: I cannot get him to refuse on this character.  I can say, "Fine, have it your way," and he of course doesn't, but that's the Warden backing out.  Even telling him, "You would refuse after everything I've done for you?" he agrees to it.  This is 100 friendly and dumped, again.  As long as the Warden doesn't back down, he's doing it.  I think your romance flag must have gotten bugged.

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 février 2010 - 08:30 .

[Sandtigress]

Heh, it might be bugged in this game - I know that I tried the "I know we're not friends, but..." hoping to get a denial of that, but he just went with it. Hehe, wow man, you break up with me and suddenly we're not even friends anymore? :-P I suppose the real test is to take them both up to Drakon without the ritual and see if he pulls noble knight on her. If he doesn't, then its glitched even though I know he's at 100. Guess its worth a try, I wanted to see that ending once anyways.

[ejoslin]

Sandtigress wrote...

Heh, it might be bugged in this game - I know that I tried the "I know we're not friends, but..." hoping to get a denial of that, but he just went with it. Hehe, wow man, you break up with me and suddenly we're not even friends anymore? :-P I suppose the real test is to take them both up to Drakon without the ritual and see if he pulls noble knight on her. If he doesn't, then its glitched even though I know he's at 100. Guess its worth a try, I wanted to see that ending once anyways.

The buddy ending is great; it shows a real strength of character with Alistair.

The way to know if that flag is messed up -- do you remember the Morrigan chat?  If she refers to your warden as the woman Alistair loves, then it's fine.  If she talks about letting Alistair get the glory, it's bugged.

[Sandtigress]

Even if Alistair has broken up with her at Landsmeet? I thought the entire romance was essentially ended there.

[ejoslin]

Sandtigress wrote...

Even if Alistair has broken up with her at Landsmeet? I thought the entire romance was essentially ended there.

No, if you have the "still in love" flag, which you should have after the Landsmeet if he dumps your warden, Morrigan will refer to you as the woman he loves.  if you don't have that, your romance flag is bugged and you are at buddy status.  You should also be able to tell him, when trying to talk him into it, that you still love him.  

Edit: And yes, he will still be in love even if you're romancing either Zevran or Leliana at that point.  Morrigan will also bring them up (well, I've only heard the Zevran part, but I'm sure she'll say something about Leliana if she's the romance partner).  What's nice about that, I've said before, if you have Alistair still in love and Zevran in love, Zev is in the kiss scene, watching Alistair, and while he's blurry, it's most definitely not a jealous moment.

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 février 2010 - 08:53 .

[Sandtigress]

Ahhh goody. Looks like I get to do Landsmeet again. :-P And since this was my original play through, I missed a lot of things the first go. lol Like Shale, and all the dragons, and Sten's quest...Maybe this time I'll go do some stuff pre-Landsmeet and Cauthrien so I can actually finish Sten's quest. Gives me something to do while waiting to finish Landsmeet with my HNF, which I am trying to stall until PS3 gets RtO.

[Chirurene]

Regarding the ritual, he rejected my Dalish Elf when I was messing with the options. I was friendly 90+ and I pick the option "Do you really want to die tomorrow?" and he said something like he will take the blow and refused the offer.



I think this have to do with the option I pick "I have no intention to sacrifice myself to the archdemon" during the talk with Riordan.

[ejoslin]

Chirurene wrote...

Regarding the ritual, he rejected my Dalish Elf when I was messing with the options. I was friendly 90+ and I pick the option "Do you really want to die tomorrow?" and he said something like he will take the blow and refused the offer.

I think this have to do with the option I pick "I have no intention to sacrifice myself to the archdemon" during the talk with Riordan.

90 will get you the buddy ending no matter what.  And Alistair will reject the offer at buddy status.

Edit: I mean, it's very easy to talk Alistair into accepting the offer, but he may also reject it. As a buddy, he also wants to take that final blow.  But he is willing to let the PC take it as well, but he would prefer to take it himself.

Modifié par ejoslin, 05 février 2010 - 09:04 .

[Thor Rand Al]

I don't think that "where do you see this going between us" conversation really has much of an impact, well not for my FHN it didn't... I forgot all about the convo until after the landsmeet n I had made Alistair King n me beside him n he still had the same conversation about accepting me as his wife despite the heir problem, it also had no impact on the Ritual, in fact this time I used no persuasion, or anything else. Came right out n told him the truth, told him I think this is the right thing to do, let him make the decision basically n he said he did trust me, that he would go ahead n do it...

I actually felt better doing it this way (despise Morrigan though for even suggesting the filthy ritual lol) then lying n decieving him cause to me by not using any trickery I was leaving it up to him, n whatever choice he made would've been ok with me (not lmao)... But I would've accepted it if he'd of said no... Just left him at the gate n I'd of gone off killed the Archdemon, sacrificed myself n left him to feel guilty for the rest of his life when he could of taken Morrigan's offer...

Lmao I know thats mean but hey it would of been kinda amusing when he says good bye n mourns you at your funeral if he was to whisper, "I thought we were going to be together forever, I should of taken up Morrigan's offer. I'm sorry I didn't n I'm sorry I've lost you." or something to that affect lol

[ejoslin]

Oh, I was just saying that was when my warden broke up with him -- it wasn't a landsmeet dumping. I think what is most important is that you get him to 100 love, but even that may not be essential. But sometimes the flag gets bugged and even though he should "still be in love" he is at "just friends."



I loved the kiss with Zevran in it. I prefer when I sacrifice myself to never have romanced Alistair -- I prefer the buddy funeral, but that's for the close up of Zevran's face when Alistair or Anora says, "And some of you loved her."



Anyways, to keep it on topic, kind of, I like it that you have to badger Alistair into taking the Warden as his mistress -- it's one of the few times you see him more worried about her than himself. My first play through I was dumped horribly by him, but really, I should have seen it coming, just him being who he is. The king in the story who changes everything for the woman he loves is King Bhelen, and really, it would take someone like him to be willing to do that. And Alistair is far better than that.

[Gold Dragon]

Actually, one can re-kindle the Romance with Alistair (altho it MIGHT be a bug, but I doubt it) in one of 2 distinct ways:

Alistair's Mother's Amulet, and Duncan's Shield. Each has Dialogue triggers to start the Romance. Just give either/both AFTER Landsmeet, and choose something like doing anything for him.

EDIT:  Funeral Scenes doing this are good.  he says: "And some of us loved her..."  The one I got was of Leliana, valiantly trying (and failing) to hold back tears......

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 06 février 2010 - 12:53 .

[errant_knight]

Sandtigress wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
Are you sure he was at 100?  I'll go through again, but I have not been able to get him to refuse, using NO persuade checks at all, on my mage who dumped him immediately after the "where do you think this is going" speech.  YOU can back out during that conversation, but he won't.  I don't think.  Do you remember what he said?  Because it takes a couple of minutes for each check.

Yes, he's most definitely at 100 - I got a short drop pre-Landsmeet but fixed that with Duncan's shield.  It might make the difference that HE dumped her after Landsmeet and it wasn't her doing the dumping.  We went through the "We're friends, right?" dialog, then I've done several of the non-persuade options, and he's refused to do it twice.

I can still get him to do it easily with the persuade checks.  Maybe the difference is that I've told him both times about the baby?  I just think the crack in his voice when he talks about the "demon....GOD....thing!" is hilarious.  I'll give it a go later without that, and see if he agrees with no checks.

He hasn't refused any of my characters (on the ritual), even the one he'd broken up with. All were at 100%, either friendly of in love, and I always get the highest cunning and coercian I can through the game. I think my lowest cunning was 30 or 32. I never use persuade, or 'you'd do it if you loved me'. Ick.... So you don't have to go there....

A Golden Dragon wrote...

Actually, one can re-kindle the Romance with Alistair (altho it MIGHT be a bug, but I doubt it) in one of 2 distinct ways:

Alistair's Mother's Amulet, and Duncan's Shield. Each has Dialogue triggers to start the Romance. Just give either/both AFTER Landsmeet, and choose something like doing anything for him.

Really? Isn't that interesting. I bet that's not supposed to happen....

Modifié par errant_knight, 06 février 2010 - 12:59 .

[Gold Dragon]

My favourite line was: I beleive it's the right thing to do.

[ejoslin]

You cannot always rekindle the relationship with those items. There have been times I don't get the additional dialog. It seems to depend on WHY you break up with him. But even that isn't consistent.

Edit: However, if you've never romanced him, you can turn the romance on up to the archdemon battle by telling him how handsome he is.  You can even turn on the romance when talking him into marrying Anora, when he asks why he should do such a thing, if you tell him that power is attractive.  He gets all happy and then is like, wait, what about US?  It is a riot.

Modifié par ejoslin, 06 février 2010 - 01:35 .

[ejoslin]

errant_knight wrote...

He hasn't refused any of my characters (on the ritual), even the one he'd broken up with. All were at 100%, either friendly of in love, and I always get the highest cunning and coercian I can through the game. I think my lowest cunning was 30 or 32. I never use persuade, or 'you'd do it if you loved me'. Ick.... So you don't have to go there....

It's not a matter of getting him to accept.  If he's in love or still in love (broken up with) I cannot get him to refuse the ritual.  The best I can do is have my warden back off.  But if she keeps telling him to do it, even without persuade checks, he does it.

[errant_knight]

ejoslin wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

He hasn't refused any of my characters (on the ritual), even the one he'd broken up with. All were at 100%, either friendly of in love, and I always get the highest cunning and coercian I can through the game. I think my lowest cunning was 30 or 32. I never use persuade, or 'you'd do it if you loved me'. Ick.... So you don't have to go there....

It's not a matter of getting him to accept.  If he's in love or still in love (broken up with) I cannot get him to refuse the ritual.  The best I can do is have my warden back off.  But if she keeps telling him to do it, even without persuade checks, he does it.

Oops, I see I spelled 'coercion' wrong.... Embarrassing. I've just said "You're right. I can't ask you to do this." I haven't tried any other ways....