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[Menalaos1971]

I know I'm not the only one disappointed in Bioware over the last year. In Mass Effect 1 they gave as fairly tame scene with a team mate if we went through the trouble of spending time with them. The scene would have been acceptable on broadcast television, but it was a step in the right direction for Rated M games.

But somehow Bioware only heard FoxNews and not the enormous backlash from people that actually played and loved the game. This is obvious since in their next two games where having a relationship with your team mates was a part of the game they took a giant step backwards. Dragon Age had sex in bra and panties, and now Mass Effect didn't even have the sex. You and your partner start to make out and start to slip out of their clothes and the game cuts away.

Now I'm not asking for what FoxNews said was in Mass Effect 1. I don't want a game where I control my character in a graphic sex scene. Besides the whole creepy factor none of the console manufacturers would license the game since that's an obvious AO rating that no retailer would sell. But there was nothing wrong with what was in Mass Effect 1, and at least two other games have gone further than Bioware did then. In Grand Theft Auto 4 there was actual full frontal nudity (male) and fairly graphic sex acts (strippers and prostitutes), while in The Saboteur the (now bankrupt) developer released a Nude Mod on day 1 that took off the pasties from the women in the brothels.

The point is that some limited nudity and sexuality in a Rated M game designed for adult gamers is not unacceptable. So why take it out?

As for the why, I think I know the answer. Mass Effect 2 is Rated M for Mature gamers, but just for violence and alcohol. But most absentee parents don't seem to care if little Billy plays those games and will buy them without thinking twice. But through in some nudity and a portion of those parents might just say no. Sales fall and EA isn't happy. Or was it just EA lawyers???

[Traumacrazy]

sex and nudity...and cheetos



don't forget the cheetos

[kab]

Mmmm.... cheetos.

[Menalaos1971]

Thanks for the intelligent discussion...

[Kronner]

Yup, it's game for 17+ so I do not see why would nudity be a problem.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

I don't really think nudity is needed in the game. If you really want nudity I'm sure you can google some porn video and see all the XXX sex you want.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

I don't really think nudity is needed in the game. If you really want nudity I'm sure you can google some porn video and see all the XXX sex you want.

[Traumacrazy]

Kronner wrote...

Yup, it's game for 17+ so I do not see why would nudity be a problem.

it just is

can't stop it

[Prioris]

I'm not sure nudity or the lack thereof is really the complaint, it's that ME2 regressed from ME1 in its portrayal of the romance options. After a very tastefully rendered scene in ME1, we got a few kisses and a Sexy Discretion Shot in ME2. I think a lot of players at least wanted the same level of detail paid to the romances from game to game.



That said, I'm quite glad I stayed faithful to my ME1 love interest in my first playthrough. I think I, too, would have felt rather cheated, from an emotional perspective if nothing else. It's like the game is acknowledging that your replacement paramour is just that, a replacement, and a second-best option at that.

[Stanley Woo]

It's kinda funny that this topic keeps coming up over and over again. People who claim to be old enough and mature enough to handle sex and nudity in a game seem to believe that any lack of sex and nudity in the game is a sign of self-censorship. They generally don't believe that a game can be called "mature" without explicit sex and/or nudity.



Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it. We have never considered it a "problem," it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice.

[Gorn Kregore]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

I know I'm not the only one disappointed in Bioware over the last year. In Mass Effect 1 they gave as fairly tame scene with a team mate if we went through the trouble of spending time with them. The scene would have been acceptable on broadcast television, but it was a step in the right direction for Rated M games.

But somehow Bioware only heard FoxNews and not the enormous backlash from people that actually played and loved the game. This is obvious since in their next two games where having a relationship with your team mates was a part of the game they took a giant step backwards. Dragon Age had sex in bra and panties, and now Mass Effect didn't even have the sex. You and your partner start to make out and start to slip out of their clothes and the game cuts away.

Now I'm not asking for what FoxNews said was in Mass Effect 1. I don't want a game where I control my character in a graphic sex scene. Besides the whole creepy factor none of the console manufacturers would license the game since that's an obvious AO rating that no retailer would sell. But there was nothing wrong with what was in Mass Effect 1, and at least two other games have gone further than Bioware did then. In Grand Theft Auto 4 there was actual full frontal nudity (male) and fairly graphic sex acts (strippers and prostitutes), while in The Saboteur the (now bankrupt) developer released a Nude Mod on day 1 that took off the pasties from the women in the brothels.

The point is that some limited nudity and sexuality in a Rated M game designed for adult gamers is not unacceptable. So why take it out?

As for the why, I think I know the answer. Mass Effect 2 is Rated M for Mature gamers, but just for violence and alcohol. But most absentee parents don't seem to care if little Billy plays those games and will buy them without thinking twice. But through in some nudity and a portion of those parents might just say no. Sales fall and EA isn't happy. Or was it just EA lawyers???

Two words. Get laid.

[MrKrisSatan]

not every game needs sex in it just like not every star wars film needed to end with the destruction of the death star.

[yuncas]

Stanley Woo wrote...

It's kinda funny that this topic keeps coming up over and over again. People who claim to be old enough and mature enough to handle sex and nudity in a game seem to believe that any lack of sex and nudity in the game is a sign of self-censorship. They generally don't believe that a game can be called "mature" without explicit sex and/or nudity.

Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it. We have never considered it a "problem," it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice.

Is bunky the wonder clown glen beck?

[Romeriez Galenar]

Stanley Woo wrote...

It's kinda funny that this topic keeps coming up over and over again. People who claim to be old enough and mature enough to handle sex and nudity in a game seem to believe that any lack of sex and nudity in the game is a sign of self-censorship. They generally don't believe that a game can be called "mature" without explicit sex and/or nudity.

Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it. We have never considered it a "problem," it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice.

So it  WAS EA!

[lyssalu]

is this really something to complain about? at least there are individualized scenes with every character. i thought the scenes were tastefully done.

[Kolaris8472]

Stanley Woo wrote...

It's kinda funny that this topic keeps coming up over and over again. People who claim to be old enough and mature enough to handle sex and nudity in a game seem to believe that any lack of sex and nudity in the game is a sign of self-censorship. They generally don't believe that a game can be called "mature" without explicit sex and/or nudity.

Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it. We have never considered it a "problem," it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice.

Good to hear it. Put it in if it works and makes sense, leave it out for the same reasons. 

[PSUHammer]

Wow is the OP just completely lame. No offense dude, get a girlfriend! It's a videogame!!!

[Knightfly]

funny, ME1 was 12 rated over here in the UK and ME2 is 15 rated (although rated 18 by PEGI), more violence, more blood,more swearing, and a virtually non existant sex scene unlike the tasteful ME1 scene. I don't want a graphic one or nudity (kinda silly to be honest) but its like Bioware took a step back just not to get burned again. Hell who cares about showing some side flesh in the scene but just make the whole thing a little more meaningful to the story, maybe a scene afterwards lying in bed or getting dressed talking or something, what like 5 different potential sex scenes in ME2 and not even one of them seemded that interesting and to be frank actually quite boring to watch, almost like hey you can have sex with all of them just .....cause, would of been better to skip the whole thing altogether.

Modifié par Knightfly, 05 février 2010 - 05:59 .

[LeingodX]

MrKrisSatan wrote...

not every game needs sex in it just like not every star wars film needed to end with the destruction of the death star.

What he said. Love scenes in ME1 were a nice touch, and I'm glad there's still a scene to conclude any love interests you make during the game. Nudity and/or sex isn't really necessary. It would be an interesting touch, but nothing that makes or breaks the game.

[lyssalu]

Prioris wrote...

I'm not sure nudity or the lack thereof is really the complaint, it's that ME2 regressed from ME1 in its portrayal of the romance options. After a very tastefully rendered scene in ME1, we got a few kisses and a Sexy Discretion Shot in ME2. I think a lot of players at least wanted the same level of detail paid to the romances from game to game.

That said, I'm quite glad I stayed faithful to my ME1 love interest in my first playthrough. I think I, too, would have felt rather cheated, from an emotional perspective if nothing else. It's like the game is acknowledging that your replacement paramour is just that, a replacement, and a second-best option at that.

lol why, because you didn't get a kinda ****** shot?  the love interests in this game were much more fleshed out and emotional than in the first.

[Stanley Woo]

I can understand how it must seem to players who really, really, really want to see HBO- and Showtime-like sex and nudity in our stories, but that's not what makes our games great, and ironically, insisting on sex and nudity tends to make people look immature. Just because you'd like to see somehing--anything--doesn't mean that we will do it or agree with your reasons to include/not include it.



and to both sides of the argument, let's please keep the insults out of the discussion. Thank you.

[AGogley]

IMHO, Bioware is becoming more generic with the romantic interests so that they can cater to every possible sexual preference. It's all about getting to sex with very little romantic progression, especially considering that some characters claim to be in love with you.  I don't need to see a sex scene.  I thought the scene in KOTOR where Bastila admits she is in love with you was very fulfilling as far character development.   But no...it's all about getting the girl in bed with you.

Modifié par AGogley, 05 février 2010 - 06:03 .

[drkl0rd2000]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

I don't really think nudity is needed in the game. If you really want nudity I'm sure you can google some porn video and see all the XXX sex you want.

I don't think we need nudity in movies either, oh lets remove violence in games and movies too. Lets next censor news media so that they can no longer show war footage on broadcast T.V.

To the original point of this post, I find it sad that in the "land of the free" that we allow such a twisted set of views. We americans have no problem allowing our 13 year old son to play GTA with the cop shooting, prostitute beating, robbing houses and car jacking. But put in a TASTEFUL plot device such as the wonderful gift of love making(MASS EFFECT 1) between two characters who have developed a relationship with each other and parents flip and the media wants to burn the producers alive.

Seriously game devs need to grow some nads, if the game is rated M then let the rating speak for itself, it is NOT your job to parent the child. If the actual parents lack that ability and decide to use media to parent the child then perhaps they should invest in any number of parents for dummies books out there that might help them!!!

Modifié par drkl0rd2000, 05 février 2010 - 06:10 .

[AGogley]

The media gave Bioware much less hassle over the ME1 scene (except maybe the female Shepherd/Liara scene) than they did with Dragon Age. And don't forget the threesome in Jade Empire.



I agree Grumpy Old Wizard. If you need to see "lovemaking" you can do that on YouTube. This is about character development.