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[Menalaos1971]

I know I'm not the only one disappointed in Bioware over the last year. In Mass Effect 1 they gave as fairly tame scene with a team mate if we went through the trouble of spending time with them. The scene would have been acceptable on broadcast television, but it was a step in the right direction for Rated M games.

But somehow Bioware only heard FoxNews and not the enormous backlash from people that actually played and loved the game. This is obvious since in their next two games where having a relationship with your team mates was a part of the game they took a giant step backwards. Dragon Age had sex in bra and panties, and now Mass Effect didn't even have the sex. You and your partner start to make out and start to slip out of their clothes and the game cuts away.

Now I'm not asking for what FoxNews said was in Mass Effect 1. I don't want a game where I control my character in a graphic sex scene. Besides the whole creepy factor none of the console manufacturers would license the game since that's an obvious AO rating that no retailer would sell. But there was nothing wrong with what was in Mass Effect 1, and at least two other games have gone further than Bioware did then. In Grand Theft Auto 4 there was actual full frontal nudity (male) and fairly graphic sex acts (strippers and prostitutes), while in The Saboteur the (now bankrupt) developer released a Nude Mod on day 1 that took off the pasties from the women in the brothels.

The point is that some limited nudity and sexuality in a Rated M game designed for adult gamers is not unacceptable. So why take it out?

As for the why, I think I know the answer. Mass Effect 2 is Rated M for Mature gamers, but just for violence and alcohol. But most absentee parents don't seem to care if little Billy plays those games and will buy them without thinking twice. But through in some nudity and a portion of those parents might just say no. Sales fall and EA isn't happy. Or was it just EA lawyers???

[Stanley Woo]

It's kinda funny that this topic keeps coming up over and over again. People who claim to be old enough and mature enough to handle sex and nudity in a game seem to believe that any lack of sex and nudity in the game is a sign of self-censorship. They generally don't believe that a game can be called "mature" without explicit sex and/or nudity.



Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it. We have never considered it a "problem," it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice.

[Stanley Woo]

I can understand how it must seem to players who really, really, really want to see HBO- and Showtime-like sex and nudity in our stories, but that's not what makes our games great, and ironically, insisting on sex and nudity tends to make people look immature. Just because you'd like to see somehing--anything--doesn't mean that we will do it or agree with your reasons to include/not include it.



and to both sides of the argument, let's please keep the insults out of the discussion. Thank you.

[Stanley Woo]

drkl0rd2000 wrote...

I don't think we need nudity in movies either, oh lets remove violence in games and movies too. Lets next censor news media so that they can no longer show war footage on broadcast T.V.

To the original point of this post, I find it sad that in the "land of the free" that we allow such a twisted set of views. We americans have no problem allowing our 13 year old son to play GTA with the cop shooting, prostitute beating, robbing houses and car jacking. But put in a TASTEFUL plot device such as the wonderful gift of love making(MASS EFFECT 1) between two characters who have developed a relationship with each other and parents flip and the media wants to burn the producers alive.

Let's keep the politics out of the discussion, please. Eavh region will have its own laws, cultural bias, and tolerances, and this discussion tends to put people on the defensive. This leads to arguments that we'd rather not have on our forums.

Seriously game Devs need to grow some nads, it the game is rated M then let the rating speak for itself, it is NOT your job to parent the child. If the actual parents lack that ability and decide to use media to parent the child then perhaps they should invest in any number of parents for dummies books out there that might help them!!!

You are absolutely correct. It is not our job to parent the child or determine what content is acceptable or unaceptable for our players. But on the other hand, it is not your jobe to dictate what content we include or don't include in our games. Game development is not a collaborative effort between developers and gamers; it is a dictatorship, where we alone determine what content goes into our game. You the player make the choice whether that content is acceptable to you (and/or your family) or not.

[Stanley Woo]

Name-calling also does not contribute positively to this discussion, Kalfear. You don't have to read all the rules of conduct that you agreed to abide by when you signed up to participate in our community, just one rule, but I suspect that's asking too much from a rulebreaker like you!



See how unproductive that is? Let's get back on-topic, please. And to some of the newbies to the discussion, please read through some of the actual arguments before coming in here with your "you want to see boobs in videogame? lamer n00b!" type comments. This discussion went beyond that point 20 pages ago, and I'm sure folks would prefer not having to spend half of each page reminding people that "I wanna see boobs in a videogame" isn't the argument here. Thank you.

[Stanley Woo]

Fumbleumble, I'm reasonably certain the "agree with me or you're wrong" stance also isn't productive.

[Stanley Woo]

Quit the personal attacks and get back on topic, please. Acknowledging the rules doesn't give you a license to break them.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's take the name-calling and insults out of the discussion, please. Since my original comments are coming around again (even after I explained and clarified my meaning in a separate thread a couple weeks ago), methinks people are just arguing in circles and it may soon be time to reboot the discussion. We'll see...

[Stanley Woo]

A great post by Matshelge, thank you. And that's as good a place as any to shut down this version of the thread and start a new one. If you wish to continue the discussion, that is. Which I'm totally okay with. honest!



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