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[The Tony Show]

colbatman wrote...


The argument for the sceans being fore play is actually way more valid than biowars response or  "get laid nerdz" 

It's so simple, yet people are going berserk about it.  I'm not saying "get laid, nerdz" when I say this, but I think the majority of the people complaining about the quality of the romance scenes have not ever had sex.  What on Earth are you people imagining that would be more realistic?

Shepard:  "Miranda, I've got it bad for you"

Miranda:  "Me too.  Hang on a second while I take off all my clothes"

*Shepard stands three feet away, awkwardly waiting for 30 seconds while Miranda disrobes*

Miranda:  "Like what you see?"

Shepard: "Oh yeah.  Give me a second here"

*Miranda stands there nude, awkwardly waiting for 30 seconds while Shepard disrobes.  After he finishes undressing, Mills Lane appears and shouts "Let's get it on!!"[/i].  Miranda and Shepard run toward each other at full speed, and their nude bodies crash into each other violently.  Wah wah guitar music fills the air[i]*

The way it happens in the game is how it happens in real life. 

As far as the Jack cuddling Shepard fully clothed afterward- yes, I have seen it.  You need to remember that they are on a war ship heading on a suicide mission, and that either one of them might be needed at a moment's notice.  It's not hard to conceive that they had sex, then got dressed and laid in the bed for a few minutes before resuming thier posts. 

Modifié par The Tony Show, 07 février 2010 - 01:42 .

[Kabraxal]

So why have sex at all with that line of thinking? Naked and entangled doesn't scream combat readiness. Sorry, but that is just a poor excuse for the absurdity of that particular scene. They should have been under the sheets cuddling. Really, for the scene at hand that was just a bad design choice.

[Tikkidew]

Kabraxal wrote...

Basically, we want what was in ME1... what was in ME1 wasn't porn or nudity... so that means we are demanding that ME2 have porn or nudity.   Do you see the bad reasoning yet?

Exactly. These scenes don't need to go out to offend people. I don't think anyone wants gratuitous sex scenes. The scenes however should show how intense the feelings are between the two characters. It def intensifies how deeply I am affected by the relationship between the two.

I could forgive ME2's romance scenes if there was some acknowledgment afterward in dialog. At least I could see how the sex affected the relationship between the two characters. Like in the movie "Titanic", after their romp Rose says to Jack that he's trembling. Right there we all knew the depth of his feelings for her.

[Kabraxal]

Hopefully DLC adds some dialogue options that cover the romantic events. We should be able to talk to the love interest and see how they feel now.

[Shinobi2u]

I think the point that is kinda being covered up here in people taking offense one way or the other is that the first Mass Effect had a very tasteful, well edited, sex scene. This changed for Mass Effect 2 only in that the amount of skin decreased. I still enjoyed the relationship scenes in ME2, but it did have a sense of being slightly toned down and the same thing occurred in DAO. I don't care about full nudity or elements that would make it turn into straight up porn, but I did like that they were naked without fully revealing themselves with the way the camera was angled and how the scenes were cut and edited that way. I think the thing that has some people puzzled is if it worked for the first game, why did they change it for the second and it's easy that people could assume the worst - that sales or public media opinion did affect that design choices made for these scenes. If it did have even the slightest impact, then I am disappointed as I thought ME's sex scene was a perfect role model that other games could take for incorporating similar scenes that made sense for the game's story, age rating, and goal (I'm hoping Heavy Rain follows up in a worthy manner). On the other hand, it could have been one of a dozen other things as well, but we will never know for sure.

[Kabraxal]

At least there is an argument for most of the choices in ME2 in how the scenes are portrayed... Dragon Age was a joke in terms of the sex scenes. A fade out would have been better than the horrid underwear nightmare. Without modding it was best to simply skip those shudder inducing scenes.

Thankfully, DA has a good modding community and that issue has been rectified in various ways... from simple, tame erotica with minimal nudity to outright realism that some would simply label porn. I wonder why sex is still stigmatised to such an extent that any realistic portrayal is artistically worthless for so many people though...

Modifié par Kabraxal, 07 février 2010 - 01:51 .

[kaponas]

I tried reading all the posts before responding but was getting to angry and couldnt make it past a couple pages.

I agree that the "sex" scenes in ME2 were awkward and not well done. To be fair I only experienced the scene with Jack so I will be speaking from that experience.

I am 24, engaged, and have sex as often as any normal healthy adult. I am offended when people tell me to watch porn or get laid if I want to experience sex. The problem isnt that a game for mature audiences needs sex. The problem is if you are going to do it at all do it right.

ME1 was done well, it wasnt obscene but felt satisfying. I know what happened. In ME2 with Jack I honestly was like...ummmm did they have sex? It was very weird. I honestly have never gotten dressed after having sex and layed in bed to cuddle. Super weird.

It's a role playing game I AM Shepard I should know if I bloody slept with a girl or not. **** even the consort in ME1's hand on the bubble bed thing made it clear what happened.

In short nudity isnt required in a game but if you're going to make romance such a key aspect dont be afraid of sex. People get naked to have sex, if you're going to have a sex scene at all dont skirt the issue. Imagine a movie sex scene playing out like these, it would be comical.

Oh and one last thing to Mr. Woo who said

"Game development is not a collaborative effort between developers and
gamers; it is a dictatorship, where we alone determine what content
goes into our game. You the player make the choice whether that content
is acceptable to you (and/or your family) or not."

It is true that you decide what goes in your game but if you are smart you listen to the people who buy your product and don't insult us when we claim your product doesnt meet our expetations.

ME2 was a great game but I felt the romance section felt censored for the sake of censorship.

[OneDrunkMonk]

OK, I think a lot can be achieved just with suggestion as oppose to statment. So I'm fine with no nude sex scenes. However contextually speaking a strip club on Omega should have naked dancers and people (aliens too) usually have sex naked, not in their underwear. So I say, be contextually realistic.

[Vixxen1984]

The Tony Show wrote...

It's so simple, yet people are going berserk about it.  I'm not saying "get laid, nerdz" when I say this, but I think the majority of the people complaining about the quality of the romance scenes have not ever had sex. 

That's QUITE an ignorant assumption if I've ever seen one. Just stop. Seriously.

If anything I would bet most of them *have* had sex. But whatever, it's a moot point compared to the discussion at large. 

Modifié par Vixxen1984, 07 février 2010 - 03:18 .

[Impresario]

My 9-year-old son was looking at my game case and he asked me, is Mass Effect 2 like Halo-and that's really the point. It's a good game in many ways but it wasn't designed solely to cater to adult mentalities. It's pretty obvious that despite the M rating the game is adolescent friendly. I imagine that was Bioware's intent. As an adult consumer, I'm left w/ the impression that the game was great fun but the trite romantic dialogue and flaccid love scenes diminished all emotional resonance.

[DIRTDIVER32318019]

Okay just to make things clear i wasn't putting bioware down for what I last said. If it sounded like I was I apologize. Another reason why I brought it up I remeber seeing a news video on YouTube weather it be fake or not where they were complaining that mass effect 1 was bad because you saw that quick glimps of a**. For everyone I'm sorry if I sounded like I was putting bioware down because I didn't mean it like that.

[DIRTDIVER32318019]

Also I wasn't saying it was horrible they censored it because I frankly font care because the game is simply amazing I've played it so damn much it's wrong lol I was just simply seeing others opinion because there are quite a few peole who are upset about it.

[War_StalkeR]

Stupid topic...

BioWare, if you adding the mature themes, then add it normally, or cut it off at all, and make romance line for 12+...

Or just add the option to game to switch it to adult/non-adult version...

But both of Mass Effects are great...

I suggest to close this... Stupid topic...

[Tannaraz]

Might be a stupid topic, but still...



You know, I was bummed the "adult" scene wasn't in me2, but it didn't kill my game. That wasn't the major reason I picked up the title and invested in the collector's edition. I enjoyed the fact it was there in ME1, because I invest time in my character and the scene felt like a reward for my efforts as a gamer to my character. Its not because I'm looking for kicks. I'm married, and my husband also plays. I was just...dissatisfied with the some bits of the romancing because it felt a bit glossed over towards the end.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

I'm with Stanley. Seeing the two characters together says just as much about their level of intimacy as seeing them naked against each other for 30 seconds. Why would you need to see that so badly? Maybe we're curious about what a certain alien's body looks like, but that may not be a good enough reason to actually put it in the game. I do wish the romance I did had a little more in the way of dialogue options, though.

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 07 février 2010 - 04:26 .

[pedal2metal]

Yes, I'm w/Grumpy. It's done tastefully & enough to get the romantic idea across which is what I prefer. Don't need nudity in my video games to feel "entertained".

[aauxraydar]

First off I'd like to say that an "M" game is not for adults, it's for those over 17, that's still one year away, so full frontal is out for at least america.
Second, I say it's sex that more out of place in video games than violence. I think everybody who cares intends to see their gender of choice naked and performing activity of choice and fully expect to. But only very creepy people want real violence. Video games let us do cool and violent things we could never do in real life. I'd rather have bioware add in curb stomping then high resolution nipples because i'm ten seconds away from better quality nipples and 25 to life from more realistic curb stomping.

[DIRTDIVER32318019]

Agreed a curb stomp would be sick lmao

[VasQuipQuip]

Stanley Woo wrote...

You are absolutely correct. It is not our job to parent the child or determine what content is acceptable or unaceptable for our players. But on the other hand, it is not your jobe to dictate what content we include or don't include in our games. Game development is not a collaborative effort between developers and gamers; it is a dictatorship, where we alone determine what content goes into our game. You the player make the choice whether that content is acceptable to you (and/or your family) or not.

We do decide what games to buy. And I'm pretty sure that has something to do with what is in a game. And whether on not a game developer stays in business.

Yeah I'm pretty much invested in Mass Effect but that doesn't mean I'm going to buy every BioWare title that comes out.

Personally I think you should pay more attention to what having all these sexually explicit scenes in your games says about the people making them. I don't mind it, I'll even try it once. But it is a little weird to watch 2 computer animated people go at it in the bedroom.

Guess what I'm saying is BioWare brought this on itself. You reap what you sow. And insulting your fan base is just stupid. No matter how cool you think it makes you look.

[Egamer01]

Stanley Woo wrote...

You are absolutely correct. It is not our job to parent the child or determine what content is acceptable or unaceptable for our players. But on the other hand, it is not your jobe to dictate what content we include or don't include in our games. Game development is not a collaborative effort between developers and gamers; it is a dictatorship, where we alone determine what content goes into our game. You the player make the choice whether that content is acceptable to you (and/or your family) or not.

As far as Content goes its the
community that dictates what should be added. You wont have a budget
to make the games if no one will buy them. Don't think just because
you turn out good games that your allowed to treat your community
like crap cause there are plenty of failing companies out there that
had the same thoughts. On the subject though I do think sex and
nudity is some thing that should make go with the story line there is
a thin line between porn and great works with sexual content. If
there is to much sex in a game it just wont sell there is enough porn
in the world as it is there are not alot of good RPG games. I think
that Dragon Age had the right mix enough mature content that i didn't
feel like a child being sheltered but not so much that I was watching
a Porn movie. So if you want more mature content there are plenty of
games or movies that you can find what your looking for else ware
please don't cave to the children.

[FlameChucks]

A lot of people are arguing with, Keep the sex out; or Keep the sex in.



Personally, i could give two craps about it. My biggest issue over this whole things is that people are complaining about. When i think of the LI's in this game, i think as to how i relate to them as people, not objects of sexual desires. Now, whether or not everyone sees it that way is not my problem, that's your perception and i respect that. However, this is exactly the same reason as to why video games get such a bad reputation and why the general public sees gamers as horny nerds who's only real sexual encounter was from playing a game.



It's one thing to have a hot coffee mod in your game (i mean, that was pretty funny) and it's another thing to have a story that matters. Character development is the name of the game, and if gamers can't come to terms as to what that means, then maybe this isn't the game for you.



Seriously, people complaining about this have to really see it for what it is.



On the other hand.............sex is a very natural part of life. It's something that a lot of us will end up doing (at least i hope all of us) to further advance our future. We live to create life. Now, the counterargument to all of this is saying, "well, i don't understand why there isn't any sex when human nature is derived from sex to begin with." Again, i am generalizing. Either way, i'm not getting bent out of shape because i didn't see nipples and vagina in a game.



Sex is sex. And if you really want it that bad..............go to your local street corner and see if you get lucky. Or, just call your gf up.

[Biocrazy]

Kidds Kidds..Please What is it that you want to see,

Ooops Leve it to beaver is on..gota Go!!!!

[DIRTDIVER32318019]

Kay just to be clear I'm not saying I want full frontal nudity in the game? Mass effect is great just the way it is I was simply wanting tos hear others thoughts on the subject because obviously people are upset about not having it.



And aboutthw hot coffee mod that was halarious lol

[DIRTDIVER32318019]

I hate iPhones lmao screw up my typing sorry back to the topic

[Vafirish]

I too believe that ME2 did a good job for not portraying any nudity. The subtle emotions from the characters were enough to ensure a satisfying understanding of what was happening.



My Shepard still sticks to Kaidan thus a longing look at the framed photo of him before the suicide mission was enough to bring out the necessary emotion required for such good space opera. It would be a tad upsetting if instead, my Shepared were to reminisce the sex she had with Kaidan with full nudity.