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[todddee2]

 I love games like this (dragon age,oblivion,kotr,etc..) and I have kids (11b/14g) who either watch me play or in case of the 14 year old plays herself. While I am not niave about what they hear and see, I do not see why they...bioware could not put some filters in the game. I personally do not like the language being so much more extensive then the last game and if they are going to put it in they could put a filter ...ala brutal legend. The same with the adult scenes, they could have a quick cut scene with smoking cigerettes afterwards for younger or of differing morals. All I am saying is there is a very big market that would buy this but see the big M on it and pass it by. Its like having toys marketing R rated movies it just doesn't make sense. If they...the game companies want to make More money put the filters in and they will see their profits go up and that goes for any genre of game.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

i'm mostly worried about backing down from something that made such a powerful statement in the first game. while yeah it's the developer's choice i do kinda think a tease can undersell the scene in some ways...

[durasteel]

For me, it's not about sex, or even nudity; it's about passion. The scenes in the first game conveyed passion, but in ME2 you really only get a sense of that from the scene with Miranda. I think that one was actually pretty well done, perhaps in the same league as the love scenes from ME1, but for the rest of them, it is almost to the point where you simply get a message on the screen telling you "Shepard has had sex." You don't really feel any passion from it. Take Tali, for example - you have a great sense of longing in the build-up, and a great sense of affection after, but the passion is limited to about 2 seconds of reckless abandon before anything has actually happened. The scene isn't bad, but it lacks the passion of the scene with Miranda, or any of the LIs from ME1.

[AdamNW]

Stanley Woo wrote...

It's kinda funny that this topic keeps coming up over and over again. People who claim to be old enough and mature enough to handle sex and nudity in a game seem to believe that any lack of sex and nudity in the game is a sign of self-censorship. They generally don't believe that a game can be called "mature" without explicit sex and/or nudity.

Well it's not that there isn't any, just that there is less than ME1.  Of course, I'm still butthurt over Tali's teasing ;_;

Modifié par AdamNW, 07 février 2010 - 05:05 .

[Archie591]

todddee2 wrote...

 I love games like this (dragon age,oblivion,kotr,etc..) and I have kids (11b/14g) who either watch me play or in case of the 14 year old plays herself. While I am not niave about what they hear and see, I do not see why they...bioware could not put some filters in the game. I personally do not like the language being so much more extensive then the last game and if they are going to put it in they could put a filter ...ala brutal legend. The same with the adult scenes, they could have a quick cut scene with smoking cigerettes afterwards for younger or of differing morals. All I am saying is there is a very big market that would buy this but see the big M on it and pass it by. Its like having toys marketing R rated movies it just doesn't make sense. If they...the game companies want to make More money put the filters in and they will see their profits go up and that goes for any genre of game.

 This is one problem with the US that I do not understand at all. Absolute fear of letting children get exposed to sexuality and violence/cursing. Completely baffles me.

 Your kids by now should have complete understanding of what these things are all about. What is sex/cursing, what's it for and how it fits into our modern society.
 In this day and age it's impossible to censor it out. Even trying to fight for it is completely ridiculous.

You are no longer limiting exposure of sex/cursing to minors, you are in fact confusing them further. They get bits and pieces from around the world yet never the full picture because adults try to completely block it from their view.

 Filters aren't a bad idea in theory. But in reality the only people worth protecting from the overexposure of sex and violence are little kids under the age of 10. And they happen to be people who will never understand a complex game like ME or DAO anyway.

 I remember that when I was around 8-10 yrs old I snuck into my parents room and stole several adult magazines. I read them from top to bottom. I then discovered videos. By the time I hit puberty, I probably knew more about sex and the various dangers and problems associated with it, than most adults. I didn't fully understand cursing until I started hanging out with larger groups of kids and started to watch more popular tv.

 The mind of a child works very fast, kids learn fast. I see no reason to fully expose them at once when they are 18.
By then they are either completely unaware what sex/cursing is or they already know all about it. The first possibility means that they'll be totally and utterly confused and more than likely sexually/verbally inept for years to come... the second possibility will mean that you have nothing new to tell them.
 In both cases I don't see any positive outcome from trying to shield them from the facts of life.


 Yeah... just my 2 cents. Different cultures are fun and all. I'm just saying that I don't understand everything. So It's kinda hard to follow some of the topics here considering that the majority of posters are from the US.

[gift2]

this game needs sex, i was really bummed about the lame love scene in this. It's a fun distraction right before the end game.

[Astarothkun]

I was a little dissappointed by the love scenes of ME2. I got the feeling they shortend what we got in ME1 to stop public complaints like those of FOX TV when ME1 was released. Dragon Age was much better than ME2 if you compare the love scenes.... Please Bioware, give us something real and worthy in ME3.

[OpsWolf75]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

sirandar wrote...

I have to agree with the OP to some extent

ME2 has murder, mass murder, slavery, torture, mind rape, erotic dancers, poisoning, genocide, theft, looting ..... but not a consensual non-casual sex scene. Sad ..... Done properly without the addition of bits we don't really need to see in a game, it would have been a great addition.

BUT ... I for one don't want to see the gaming industry slide down into porn any faster than its going
to.

Two Words ... Target Market

I have to agree with the above as well.

Agree with the above, but... I don't need sex scenes in my games, it is fine with me if the dev's don't include them. However there is nothing more ridiculous then the scene in Dragon Age (in undies wtf?). Why not just fade to black? I am not saying it is immersion shattering, but it did make me laugh. Either show nudity or don't show nudity but don't do lame medieval underwear dry humping.

Of course Bioware should understand that when people get upset it is because Bioware was the only dev doing tasteful mature nudity that didn't insult a gender or the intelligence of the player. It is incredibly rare to find games that have realistic characters with semi-realistic bodies who have rather realistic relationships that end in a little bit of mature content.

That said I do have to wonder if the addition of EA is the reason that
these scenes were censored, and nothing any moderator says is going to
stop me from thinking that way.

<shrug> Their game, their decision

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

OpsWolf75 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

sirandar wrote...

I have to agree with the OP to some extent

ME2 has murder, mass murder, slavery, torture, mind rape, erotic dancers, poisoning, genocide, theft, looting ..... but not a consensual non-casual sex scene. Sad ..... Done properly without the addition of bits we don't really need to see in a game, it would have been a great addition.

BUT ... I for one don't want to see the gaming industry slide down into porn any faster than its going
to.

Two Words ... Target Market

I have to agree with the above as well.

Agree with the above, but... I don't need sex scenes in my games, it is fine with me if the dev's don't include them. However there is nothing more ridiculous then the scene in Dragon Age (in undies wtf?). Why not just fade to black? I am not saying it is immersion shattering, but it did make me laugh. Either show nudity or don't show nudity but don't do lame medieval underwear dry humping.

Of course Bioware should understand that when people get upset it is because Bioware was the only dev doing tasteful mature nudity that didn't insult a gender or the intelligence of the player. It is incredibly rare to find games that have realistic characters with semi-realistic bodies who have rather realistic relationships that end in a little bit of mature content.

That said I do have to wonder if the addition of EA is the reason that
these scenes were censored, and nothing any moderator says is going to
stop me from thinking that way.

Their game, their decision

QFT!

I'd bet anything it was EA's decision and NOT bioware's.

Other than that.... yeah, either have it or don't have it. ME1's scenes were probably some of the best done EVER and it wasn't b/c there were "side boob shots" or "ass shots" .... it was b/c there was passion in those scenes. In ME2 and DA:O you couldn't see the passion b/c of how weird the scenes were. I don't want weird dry humping scenes like with Miranda and I don't want hilarious make you laugh scenes (when its supposed to be about the passion b/w the two characters) in underwear. That totally stuck out like a sore thumb in DA:O.

Bottom line: ME1 scenes should be the pressident and if you can't live up to that, then just fade to black and don't put weird underwear humping in the game at all.

[todddee2]

The main thing that I object to is the use of more harsh wording ie...swearing. I think that if they can put a filter in, it would open the game to more people. Mature is one thing but  at least give people the option. By myself I would not use it but it my kids or wife were in the room I would put it on. If they can put it in the PC version they can put it in the console version. This is not a "Christian Thing" it is about personal preference of what I would like to hear. I have kids, it is easy to pick up language that could potionally get them in trouble at school. Heck when I hear it I tend to use it more and my work does not necessarily like that. All I am saying is I like Games like these and being mature is not cussing like a sailor and boffing every thing in sight. Being mature is much more than that. I only have so many hour in a week that I can play a game and I do not like having to kick my kids out of the room every time I want to play a game. Please give me the Option of how I want to play the game and you can play, hear and see what way you want.

[TheSpaceHamster]

Seeing Miranda's "mirandas" would have been a nice bonus, I guess...



Bring back Ashley!

[War_StalkeR]

Really stupid topic... But realistic sex scenes made Mass Effect 1 more realistic... Well... It's really stupid topic...

[OneDrunkMonk]

Fact is ME1's love scene was perhaps one of, if not the most, mature handling of intimacy in a video game. But unfortunately, it gets lumped in with the Hot Coffee Mod and DOA: Volleyball by the mainstream media. Which is really unjust. Blame video game developers, who make highly immature "M" rated games, for keeping the video game industry in it's tweens.



Me, I'm all for realistic scenarios. I don't care if you keep the camera above the waist or use a lot of shadows over the "bathing suit areas" but don't expect me to buy into a sex scene where the participants are fully clothed.

[Tokuraws]

todddee2 wrote...

The main thing that I object to is the use of more harsh wording ie...swearing. I think that if they can put a filter in, it would open the game to more people. Mature is one thing but  at least give people the option. By myself I would not use it but it my kids or wife were in the room I would put it on. If they can put it in the PC version they can put it in the console version. This is not a "Christian Thing" it is about personal preference of what I would like to hear. I have kids, it is easy to pick up language that could potionally get them in trouble at school. Heck when I hear it I tend to use it more and my work does not necessarily like that. All I am saying is I like Games like these and being mature is not cussing like a sailor and boffing every thing in sight. Being mature is much more than that. I only have so many hour in a week that I can play a game and I do not like having to kick my kids out of the room every time I want to play a game. Please give me the Option of how I want to play the game and you can play, hear and see what way you want.

Words only hurt if you let them. Instead of depending on some one else, do your parenting yourself.

[Tokuraws]

I call for a rep of bioware to come back to this thread and explain the words of his co-worker.

[Lord Shadowsong]

Prioris wrote...

I'm not sure nudity or the lack thereof is really the complaint, it's that ME2 regressed from ME1 in its portrayal of the romance options. After a very tastefully rendered scene in ME1, we got a few kisses and a Sexy Discretion Shot in ME2. I think a lot of players at least wanted the same level of detail paid to the romances from game to game.

That said, I'm quite glad I stayed faithful to my ME1 love interest in my first playthrough. I think I, too, would have felt rather cheated, from an emotional perspective if nothing else. It's like the game is acknowledging that your replacement paramour is just that, a replacement, and a second-best option at that.

That and they removed the gay romance. So really, I think they are just trying to cover their asses from people getting pissed, I know the whole thing that people thought you could have real graphic lesbian alien human sex caused some really bad press. Which is amazing, You would think that would make sales go up lol.

[tikalal]

I think the Mass Effect 1 scene was the perfect amount of nudity and was done really well. It had an impact.



The scene in Mass Effect 2 was disappointing and bizarre. I was like "lolwut?"

[Lord Shadowsong]

Prioris wrote...

I'm not sure nudity or the lack thereof is really the complaint, it's that ME2 regressed from ME1 in its portrayal of the romance options. After a very tastefully rendered scene in ME1, we got a few kisses and a Sexy Discretion Shot in ME2. I think a lot of players at least wanted the same level of detail paid to the romances from game to game.

That said, I'm quite glad I stayed faithful to my ME1 love interest in my first playthrough. I think I, too, would have felt rather cheated, from an emotional perspective if nothing else. It's like the game is acknowledging that your replacement paramour is just that, a replacement, and a second-best option at that.

That and they removed the gay romance. So really, I think they are just trying to cover their asses from people getting pissed, I know the whole thing that people thought you could have real graphic lesbian alien human sex caused some really bad press. Which is amazing, You would think that would make sales go up lol.

[DIRTDIVER32318019]

I think people are upset at the fact not that were wasn't nudity in the game they just felt it was a step down from mass effect or were why they did had people POed at the fact of how they did the LI scene

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

To me I think their are some Christian's out there are as comfortable with nudity being in a Game , Movie or TV as anybody else.It's not a religion issue it's a society issue more so United States.Japan has been getting tougher on their content that they have too , no ones immune from wanting censorship.

Many people are saying Bioware rolled over and let Fox get to them.I think it's as said above EA that called for the censorship , they didn't want controversy and also didn't want pay to go the ESRB certification process twice re-editing just to receive an M-rating.

Bioware is the developer , but EA as a publisher having the final say so on including censorship.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 07 février 2010 - 09:21 .

[Mev186]

Tokuraws wrote...

I call for a rep of bioware to come back to this thread and explain the words of his co-worker.

I agree. Even a dictator is accountable to their people to a certain extent.

DIRTDIVER32318019 wrote...

I think people are upset at
the fact not that were wasn't nudity in the game they just felt it was
a step down from mass effect or were why they did had people POed at
the fact of how they did the LI scene

I think people are more upset by the way Bioware is willing to risk alienating their fans just to respond to a very minor issue that really doesn't apply to the majority of players.

[DIRTDIVER32318019]

I think people feel like it was a step down from me1 that's all not that the fact there is no nudity

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

When bioware said it's a dictatorship maybe they weren't truthfully saying from developer to consumer.They might have been signaling Publisher to Developer is a dictatorship.



Like I said before if you don't do or fix what your publisher wants , they can out right cancel publishing your titles it's happened many times before.Were the developer would then have to go search for a new publisher , which would be easy for bioware.But then theirs contracts saying new publisher can't do this holding up a finished game for years.

[DIRTDIVER32318019]

True

[Arrtis]

ALLI ASK IS THIS.

For the Old ME1 romance keep it at that level forME3.*give in a little maybe*

I liked ME2 and the romances were like a little bonus and not that great IMO

A little nudity would have made it a bit more interesting to watch but otherwise with the amount of stuff thats on the internet it was very weak.I say if its gonna be at that level why not cut the whole scene out and save space.*i didnt find the romance that great keep that in mind*

I would like the cherry on top to be fresh not old and moldy thank you.

Thats my suggestion.

Romance isnt a big part but darn it you guys keep making games that are on the edge of being one of the best games*at least for me*then fall short a bit somewhere.I do not think Oblivion had any romance but still the best game ive played.*im still playing it once in awhile though had to buy a new copy the old one was all scratched up*