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Débuté par Menalaos1971 , févr. 05 2010 05:24

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Posté 07 février 2010 - 09:35

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OK , but if you want the ME1 stuff back. I say send EA a message saying that you as a consumer don't appreciate how they made Bioware censor ME2 sex scenes.

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Posté 07 février 2010 - 09:40

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

OK , but if you want the ME1 stuff back. I say send EA a message saying that you as a consumer don't appreciate how they made Bioware censor ME2 sex scenes.

how do you know they made them?
Do you work there did you take part in this supposed censorship?

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Posté 07 février 2010 - 09:54

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Of course they told them to censor them.ME1 was a test to see would consumers buy a game , so they looked the other way on those sex scenes biting the bullet so to speak.Once ME1 proved that hey people like this they said, ok now were going censor those scenes for ME2 so we don't get any bad press from Fox News / or have to go through the ESRB certification twice re-editing just to get an M-rating.



If this wasn't the case you'd have ME2 sex scenes the same as the first.This really screams publisher(EA) unhappy with what happened the first time so they used dictatorship power and censored(ME2) this time.

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Posté 07 février 2010 - 10:12

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Of course they told them to censor them.ME1 was a test to see would consumers buy a game , so they looked the other way on those sex scenes biting the bullet so to speak.Once ME1 proved that hey people like this they said, ok now were going censor those scenes for ME2 so we don't get any bad press from Fox News / or have to go through the ESRB certification twice re-editing just to get an M-rating.

If this wasn't the case you'd have ME2 sex scenes the same as the first.This really screams publisher(EA) unhappy with what happened the first time so they used dictatorship power and censored(ME2) this time.

First of all, EA didn't publish Mass Effect 1. Second of all, Dante's Inferno, which is published by EA, looks to have more nudity than any other mainstream game ever made.

I doubt EA had anything to do with Bioware's decision to neuter the love scene.

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Posté 07 février 2010 - 10:39

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Ok , slip up there.But why would Bioware just decide to tame their scenes.This time EA is the publisher , yes Dante's Inferno has more.

If it's not EA , then they rushed the game and tamed those scenes.Something happened to those scenes.Guessing who knows maybe it's the darker nature of the second story.Maybe ME3 it goes back to ME1 status or surpasses it.

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Posté 07 février 2010 - 10:49

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I personally prefer the romance scenes in the second game. I dont need to see Shep and his significant other actually having sex in order to understand that its taken place. I think its less romantic to actually see them in bed anyway.

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Posté 07 février 2010 - 11:27

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

When bioware said it's a dictatorship maybe they weren't truthfully saying from developer to consumer.They might have been signaling Publisher to Developer is a dictatorship.


Stanley Woo wrote...

You are absolutely correct. It is
not our job to parent the child or determine what content is acceptable
or unaceptable for our players. But on the other hand, it is not your
jobe to dictate what content we include or don't include in our games.
Game development is not a collaborative effort between developers and
gamers; it is a dictatorship, where we alone determine what content
goes into our game. You the player make the choice whether that content
is acceptable to you (and/or your family) or not.


It seems to me that He's talking about US. The ones who buy the game.  The romance thing really isn't what concerns me. It's the way Bioware is dealing with it. That statement didn't just single out a few,  He basicly gave us the impression that our opinions, flat out do not matter to them.  I hope it was a misquote. It makes me anxious about the direction Bioware is taking.

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Posté 07 février 2010 - 11:37

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Comments such as "get laid!" "l0l, d00d n33ds a GF!" and whatever nonsensical dribble you can derived are posting with an irritating notion of ignorance. If those aforementioned individuals bothered to read the responses in this topic they would have realized the idiocy of their posts. We are not requesting porn, we are requesting what was presented in Mass Effect. To insinuate Bioware did not restrict themselves is baseless under the evidence of the predecessor. If insecurity in regards to potential scrutiny was not a concern this discussion would not have existed as the romance options would not have been tamed.

ME was subtle and artistic with a properly rendered fade out preceding the obviously implication. In truth the sex itself could be removed inits entirety and I can all but guarantee the majority present within this topic would have nary a complaint, provided the emotional investment was heighted. Perhaps our romancescould attempt to influence our decisions or we are treated to numerous romantic cut-scenes (romance does not instantly relate to sex) in comparison to the one we have near the conclusion of the game. What of a moral ambiguous yet difficult decision similar to Ashley/Kaiden from ME? What about complete betrayal? So many options none of which involves sex if sex is such a bothersome aspect.

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Posté 08 février 2010 - 01:20

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Lik. Is it that big of a deal to just explain the situation rather than tellin people to get laid? Like obviously consumers are upset that thescenes were tamed. Would it kill them to just explain why it was dulled down. The way I see it people are just looking for an explaintion. I think we atleast deserve that since we are the ones buying the game. I personally don't mind how the scenes were displayed I think I was upset more because i was expecting a step up from the first mass effect.

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Posté 08 février 2010 - 06:39

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In the other forum he explained what he meant by it.I'll accept what his re-statement.With the uproar about things may or may not change from what he's saying which it's their choice.

http://social.biowar...index/1018802/8

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Posté 08 février 2010 - 07:43

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LOOK WE SEE SEX AND NUDITY ON TV AND IN MOVIE SO IF SEX AND NUDITY IN GAMES IS NO PROBLEM IN MY BOOK

Modifié par clone wars, 08 février 2010 - 08:04 .

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Posté 08 février 2010 - 11:20

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clone wars wrote...

LOOK WE SEE SEX AND NUDITY ON TV AND IN MOVIE SO IF SEX AND NUDITY IN GAMES IS NO PROBLEM IN MY BOOK


Cap locks are not your freind!

People will take you far more serious if you not yelling every word online

#438
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Posté 08 février 2010 - 11:34

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IMO I think that bioware handled nudity much better in ME2 than in DAO.

But then again, I wouldn't mind my entire squad destroying a thresher more in their undies for pure novelty value.



But yeah, the sex scenes in DAO are horrible. the scenes in ME2 are much more indivual and really sum up your realtionship with that character.

Maybe if Bioware found a middle between the ME1 and ME2 scenes.

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Posté 08 février 2010 - 11:41

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Sex scene in game isn't shocking for me either, frankly, we kill violently hordes of people in game, going to the prostitutes, so why couldn't we do something as harmless as having sex with a boy/girlfriend ?

But for me, gamedesigners have to think if it's usefull ingame or not...and well I don't see how seeing a penetration in close up could be really usefull in the storyline of a RPG as mass effect or dragon age game...the same could be said of a movie, the director must have a purpose for filming sex or it's purelly random and uneffective! Think of the sex-scenes in "an history of violence" for exemple, very meaningfull scenes!

More over, 3D games still lacks of natural animations (even with mocap) so all you can do is a trully embarassing scene utterly unatural...and well...lets talk about the uncanny valley ;) ...

But I think romance and how you treat it can be usefull on how you "role play" your character and also gives informations on the members of your team, give them depth...It can be treated in various ways...for exemple I've never played a sado/maso character so far...could be fun! Or I've never seen a masochist character...you could gain a lot of renegade points talking with him/her!

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Posté 08 février 2010 - 11:45

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Mudzr wrote...

IMO I think that bioware handled nudity much better in ME2 than in DAO.
But then again, I wouldn't mind my entire squad destroying a thresher more in their undies for pure novelty value.

But yeah, the sex scenes in DAO are horrible. the scenes in ME2 are much more indivual and really sum up your realtionship with that character.
Maybe if Bioware found a middle between the ME1 and ME2 scenes.


Or maybe if the sex scene started with a initial scene(a kiss for example), then skip to the middle scene, and the final scene.But yes,the most appropriate approach would be a combination between ME1 and ME2....

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Posté 08 février 2010 - 03:52

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Stanley Woo wrote...

You are absolutely correct. It is not our job to parent the child or determine what content is acceptable or unaceptable for our players. But on the other hand, it is not your jobe to dictate what content we include or don't include in our games. Game development is not a collaborative effort between developers and gamers; it is a dictatorship, where we alone determine what content goes into our game. You the player make the choice whether that content is acceptable to you (and/or your family) or not.


That's totally accurate! But I do not see complaints of this vein being, as Stanley calls it, dictating the content that Bioware includes in their games. Hardly. This is a player exercising his/her ability to make the choice as to whether that content is acceptable, and further, to discuss it with the community. I think that's pretty reasonable.

I completely understand that it must be kind of annoying to get this kind of discussion crop up over and over again, especially if it seems to overshadow a game that is so varied and multifaceted. But it's clearly a sore spot with a lot of gamers, and they feel disappointed with ME2 in this respect. I think this is a natural result of the small number of games in the public eye that have been willing to push this particular envelope. There are no shortage of sexy guys/girls in video games, but few mass-market titles have been willing to explicitly (as in, not implied but clearly expressed) include sex. 

:wizard:

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Posté 08 février 2010 - 03:54

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Menalaos1971 wrote...

I know I'm not the only one disappointed in Bioware over the last year. In Mass Effect 1 they gave as fairly tame scene with a team mate if we went through the trouble of spending time with them. The scene would have been acceptable on broadcast television, but it was a step in the right direction for Rated M games.

But somehow Bioware only heard FoxNews and not the enormous backlash from people that actually played and loved the game. This is obvious since in their next two games where having a relationship with your team mates was a part of the game they took a giant step backwards. Dragon Age had sex in bra and panties, and now Mass Effect didn't even have the sex. You and your partner start to make out and start to slip out of their clothes and the game cuts away.

Now I'm not asking for what FoxNews said was in Mass Effect 1. I don't want a game where I control my character in a graphic sex scene. Besides the whole creepy factor none of the console manufacturers would license the game since that's an obvious AO rating that no retailer would sell. But there was nothing wrong with what was in Mass Effect 1, and at least two other games have gone further than Bioware did then. In Grand Theft Auto 4 there was actual full frontal nudity (male) and fairly graphic sex acts (strippers and prostitutes), while in The Saboteur the (now bankrupt) developer released a Nude Mod on day 1 that took off the pasties from the women in the brothels.

The point is that some limited nudity and sexuality in a Rated M game designed for adult gamers is not unacceptable. So why take it out?

As for the why, I think I know the answer. Mass Effect 2 is Rated M for Mature gamers, but just for violence and alcohol. But most absentee parents don't seem to care if little Billy plays those games and will buy them without thinking twice. But through in some nudity and a portion of those parents might just say no. Sales fall and EA isn't happy. Or was it just EA lawyers???


They probably didn't want to deal with Fox News and Soccer Moms. I totally understand, if that was the case. They're annoying.

No nudity is cool; I have a good imagination. Plus, I have naughty videos anyway, if I wanted to see boobies.

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Posté 08 février 2010 - 03:56

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This was a Sales decision and its obvious. Put in a "sex" scene and that Rated M takes on new meaning. When its just a 3rd Person Shooter there are a lot of moms and dads that will look the other way and let little Billy play that naughty Rated M game, but when you add SEX to the list of Violence, Gore, Etc, then they might think twice. That could mean 100,000's of games not sold and EA would not like that one little bit. So, they made Bioware censor themselves. It makes me sad...

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Posté 09 février 2010 - 12:28

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 I was disappointed with the cesorship in both Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2... particularly since Dragon Age features a lot of sex and nude demons.

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Posté 09 février 2010 - 02:06

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Menalaos1971 wrote...

This was a Sales decision and its obvious. Put in a "sex" scene and that Rated M takes on new meaning. When its just a 3rd Person Shooter there are a lot of moms and dads that will look the other way and let little Billy play that naughty Rated M game, but when you add SEX to the list of Violence, Gore, Etc, then they might think twice. That could mean 100,000's of games not sold and EA would not like that one little bit. So, they made Bioware censor themselves. It makes me sad...


I was tempted to remain outside of this issue since I had already made my arguement but this brings up one interesting comment.

I hope it was NOT EA trying to take the moral high ground because I have only one thing to say to them "SIMS 2 and the casual sex promoted in that game".

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Posté 09 février 2010 - 02:13

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EA just pushed Dante's Inferno out the door.



I highly doubt it was EA's call to "censor" ME2.

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Posté 09 février 2010 - 09:40

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Incruentum wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

You are absolutely correct. It is not our job to parent the child or determine what content is acceptable or unaceptable for our players. But on the other hand, it is not your jobe to dictate what content we include or don't include in our games. Game development is not a collaborative effort between developers and gamers; it is a dictatorship, where we alone determine what content goes into our game. You the player make the choice whether that content is acceptable to you (and/or your family) or not.


That's totally accurate! But I do not see complaints of this vein being, as Stanley calls it, dictating the content that Bioware includes in their games. Hardly. This is a player exercising his/her ability to make the choice as to whether that content is acceptable, and further, to discuss it with the community. I think that's pretty reasonable.

I completely understand that it must be kind of annoying to get this kind of discussion crop up over and over again, especially if it seems to overshadow a game that is so varied and multifaceted. But it's clearly a sore spot with a lot of gamers, and they feel disappointed with ME2 in this respect. I think this is a natural result of the small number of games in the public eye that have been willing to push this particular envelope. There are no shortage of sexy guys/girls in video games, but few mass-market titles have been willing to explicitly (as in, not implied but clearly expressed) include sex. 

:wizard:



The fact that it keeps getting posted show how much Bioware misjudged their caveing in. When ME1 came out and Fox News did their 'space porn' attack, its was a lot of the players that came to Biowares defense.
Yet, now comes ME2 and the two things that were the center of the Fox New story, Nudity and Lesbian relationship, are really gone from the game. (And please don't bring up the Kelly character, even Bioware says that has no effect on the relationship build in ME1) 

The players/customers came to Bioware's defense, they came back by rolling over and exposing their belly like a beaten puppy to Fox News. I saw the relationships in ME1 as center to the characters, the love scene well done and in good artisitic taste. In ME2, they're basic, short and end up with full clothes humping. Seems, Bioware feels fine with shooting everything in sight, dropping the F-Bomb more times than Dick Cheney ever did, and good conservative male/felmale relationships...Which goes with Biowares new company phase. "God Bless Fox News....woof...woof."

 

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Posté 10 février 2010 - 04:12

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it didn't hurt my suspension of disbelief when they weren't naked. We only saw the beginning of the act anyway. The implication of sex was a lot more tasteful to me than the side boob in ME1.

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Posté 10 février 2010 - 04:36

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I wanted to see more of Miranda than just her bra. sooooo disappointing. I was like "... that's it?!" I traveled around the galaxy with this girl, almost 60 hours total, and that's all I get?? boo! and why did they do it on the engine room floor. there are big beds in BOTH Shepard's room and Miranda's office. lol.



It could have been little more intimate I think. bra and panties at least. that's just me.

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Posté 11 février 2010 - 05:42

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Wonderllama4 wrote...

It could have been little more intimate I think. bra and panties at least. that's just me.


I agree. I liked how the original game had an artsy, tasteful sex scene but they at least showed some skin. I mean, honestly, it was pretty PG-13 rated, not much from different from a Hallmark channel movie. I was unhappy with ME1's lack of choice and depth regarding the romance characters, and ME2 does a good job of expanding those options, but some feeling of intimacy with the character you've invested with 30+ hours is lost in translation during the actual act with the full-on clothes and all that. I can understand Tali not stripping down to her purple Quarian panties, but we could definitely stand to see a little bit of Miranda side-boob. Or maybe that's just me;)
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