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[danman2424]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

I wanted to see more of Miranda than just her bra. sooooo disappointing. I was like "... that's it?!" I traveled around the galaxy with this girl, almost 60 hours total, and that's all I get?? boo! and why did they do it on the engine room floor. there are big beds in BOTH Shepard's room and Miranda's office. lol.

It could have been little more intimate I think. bra and panties at least. that's just me.

Ya, most people I have spoken with (some being very casual gamers) got to that scene and just felt gypped. It wasn't because they didn't show full frontal nudity, but that they basically didn't show anything at all. The first thing they all thought was "Lame". And that is the last thing a developer should want their audience to feel about any part of their game.

The cutscene had to give the player some sense of reward for their work and it certainly did not.

Modifié par danman2424, 11 février 2010 - 06:14 .

[Fallensbane]

I don't care so much about the lack of " Bare Boobs or Ass" in ME2. What does annoy me is that it seems after you guys defended the very minor nudity it ME1 you have now backpeddled it seems to please those who were against it in the first game and instead added a few F-bombs.

[Mak89]

America is ****ed up. Self-rightoues adults over 35 think it's their duty to police kids and young adults. They have a problem with everything. We are being sheltered by the media and that's why when we see boobs were like Omgzzzz Boobies!!! and the rest of the world is like whatever.

[Mak89]

But then again no one voices a problem with the sexually explicit commercials and programs all over television. But they see partial nudity in a 17+ mature game and freak.

[0LunarEclipse0]

Stanley Woo wrote...

drkl0rd2000 wrote...

I don't think we need nudity in movies either, oh lets remove violence in games and movies too. Lets next censor news media so that they can no longer show war footage on broadcast T.V.

To the original point of this post, I find it sad that in the "land of the free" that we allow such a twisted set of views. We americans have no problem allowing our 13 year old son to play GTA with the cop shooting, prostitute beating, robbing houses and car jacking. But put in a TASTEFUL plot device such as the wonderful gift of love making(MASS EFFECT 1) between two characters who have developed a relationship with each other and parents flip and the media wants to burn the producers alive.

Let's keep the politics out of the discussion, please. Eavh region will have its own laws, cultural bias, and tolerances, and this discussion tends to put people on the defensive. This leads to arguments that we'd rather not have on our forums.

Seriously game Devs need to grow some nads, it the game is rated M then let the rating speak for itself, it is NOT your job to parent the child. If the actual parents lack that ability and decide to use media to parent the child then perhaps they should invest in any number of parents for dummies books out there that might help them!!!

You are absolutely correct. It is not our job to parent the child or determine what content is acceptable or unaceptable for our players. But on the other hand, it is not your jobe to dictate what content we include or don't include in our games. Game development is not a collaborative effort between developers and gamers; it is a dictatorship, where we alone determine what content goes into our game. You the player make the choice whether that content is acceptable to you (and/or your family) or not.

Stanley I want to make this 100% clear. I agree with everything you have said. You have the right, the choice hell the obligation to decide what content is best for YOUR game. What I would like to ask is why go that extra mile in ME1 but not ME2? Why not take the tasteful but blocked out scenes from ME1 for the romance?

Personally I find the romances is ME2 cute (esspecially the tali one) I like how they work out the story of them is great. I don't need the nudity but the small amount in ME1 was acceptable.

So final points: Why not use the same idea from ME1 in ME2? Seems only correct that the games would share that aspect.

Secondly there have been glitches found in DAO that show nudity (at least of the breasts) so this leads to the asumption that the underwear was added later as a kind of cop out. I mean it is quite clear morrigan is not wearing a bra under those robes. Shes not. So we have to draw our own assumptions. You have every right to make the choices you did. 

What I am voiceing is the question why?

Why would ME2 have different content in regards to sexuality then ME1 on this issue?

Why did DAO lose its nudity? (if it was never intended to have it let us know, but from news from ages ago and current evidence we beleive it was)

Modifié par 0LunarEclipse0, 11 février 2010 - 07:17 .

[Nistelohn]

More nudity and sex now! Sure candidate for the next DLC. Oh, and more sex and nudity in ME3 please.



PS: How distorted does ones sense of ethics and morals have to be, to find ultra violence completely ok, but not skin and human interaction, based in passion?

[lumpkin]

Adding my vote for a more payoff for the romance plots.

It is a little disappointing to get all the way there and have it be so bland.

[hitorihanzo]

Traumacrazy wrote...

sex and nudity...and cheetos

don't forget the cheetos

Humor Fail.

[xxxKenseIxxx]

Well since everyone went at it might as well throw in my question to the devs. Might even get an answer if I'm lucky.
Did you intentionally aim for Mature rating? If so, why did you chicken out on the nudity part? And don't get me wrong, I LOVE the game. Story, shooting, graphics, and this time MUSIC... all of them are great. But if you really wanted the M rating why didn't you go all the way?

Frankly, there really isn't that much blood in ME2 (DAO had A LOT more). I mean, check Dante's Inferno, yeah the game is a God of War clone, but they didn't give a damn about ratings and went all out with full nudity and even some sick **** about babies with blades instead of arms. Mature rating = everything in the pot - the blood, the violence, the tension, drugs, alcohol, sex, whatever you think of, GTA is a fine example of how not to go overboard like Dante's Inferno ( although i'm a fan of all sorts of brutalities and don't mind nudity in games...the more gore the better though .

At any rate, I think I made my point. I'm not telling you guys what to do, hell you've done an amazing job so far...loved killing mechs, their heads and limbs flew off so "smooth" , but it seems strange that ME2 is M rated and has only a few drops of blood(well maybe except the human dissolving thing), a bit of stripping and a bra-shot. If you just wanted the M rating so that the game passes of as a serious one, I don't get it. ME1 had a pretty serious plot, so does ME2(even better), but the rating is the last thing that would define a game.

I'd only like to add that you did Miranda great, i think this is the best female character I've seen, she gotz the looks, she gotz the brains and she's willing to kill stuff. Morrigan is probably the only rival i could think of. Even so, if you really want your game to be taken seriously (as in, a mature game, cuz I only see content for 16+,even most of the 16+ movies have frontal nudity, but i'm not the one to establish ratings), i would recommend working on the details, in this case - gore and nudity, you got everything else covered

Then again this is just my opinion and I believe I backed it up with logic, don't crucify me though. It took Shepard 2 years to respawn, and with my net-connection it'll take ages. (Jesus doesn't count, he had a private satellite, even then it took him 3 days...admin prolly scraped all the respawn points)

Modifié par xxxKenseIxxx, 14 février 2010 - 03:18 .

[aaron baba]

I'm all for making the relationships more engaging in the Mass Effect series, but that doesn't mean they have to have nudity.
I mean sure, Miranda nude would be awesome..but it's not a priority on my list. More dialogue and background with the characters you have relationships with in the game will make them more vivid and engaging. i can understand that some people will get that same feeling if there were boobies though..

Bioware, nudity or not, keep the relationships engaging and touching =)

Modifié par aaron baba, 14 février 2010 - 03:24 .

[Barker673]

Firstly, people need to stop blaming EA for everything they dislike that BioWare decides on implementing/removing.



Secondly, I think it's more the fact that the romance scenes are even tamer than what they were in ME1 that has people complaining. I think most people (Myself included) expected BioWare to push the envelope of what we had seen before - The scenes themselves were very short in ME2 as well (Miranda's seemed the longest to me) and didn't seem to impact on the relationship afterwards until after the credits rolled.



What I mean is, in ME1 after the romance scene, you would have that little cutscene with Liara/Kaidan/Ash saying whatever, "Don't get yourself killed" etc. and with ME2 there is nothing. End credits, sure, you can invite them up to snuggle, but the dialogue remains the same as before you go through the Omega-4 Relay. Disappointing.



Nudity? Sure, why not. It's a mature game anyway - I don't see the big deal either way.

[xxxKenseIxxx]

Well they made Joker watch porn, or at least listen to it. (just stand behind him, he'll be talking some funny random ****. Eventually ull hear a woman moaning, then he stops it and says it was for his earpiece.)

Modifié par xxxKenseIxxx, 14 février 2010 - 03:38 .

[aries1001]

Coming from a different perspective, I just happened to be seeing the last 40 minutes or so of Husband and Wives, the Woody Allen film. In this movie, there are scenes with the couples in bed, under the covers. I've also recently seen a movie (can't remeber the title of it, now, though). But in this movie, characters also were under the coversm snuggling a bit. Just like in the artistic, beautifully lighted scene in Mass Effect 1. Why can't games have scenes like those in movies?



As a more general remark, I'd say that I don't buy games to se nude women, but I do like to see the natural progression of a romance that's been building up during the game e.g. that the people involved do make love...(or have sex within the confines of the romance).



I know that I've been one of the advocating (saying) that the greatest fantasy when it comes to sex is our minds. And that I would be satisfied with just some kissing and the fade to black. However, I did not mean that the romance scene should be like snuggling when you were a teenager. I actually meant that maybe the couple could be seen under the covers, then kissing a bit, and the there could be a fade to black. Or the engine could let out steam or some sort symbolic thing indicating what is happening - just like in the old movies...

[beserker7]

Mev186 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

When bioware said it's a dictatorship maybe they weren't truthfully saying from developer to consumer.They might have been signaling Publisher to Developer is a dictatorship.

Stanley Woo wrote...

You are absolutely correct. It is
not our job to parent the child or determine what content is acceptable
or unaceptable for our players. But on the other hand, it is not your
jobe to dictate what content we include or don't include in our games.
Game development is not a collaborative effort between developers and
gamers; it is a dictatorship, where we alone determine what content
goes into our game. You the player make the choice whether that content
is acceptable to you (and/or your family) or not.

It seems to me that He's talking about US. The ones who buy the game.  The romance thing really isn't what concerns me. It's the way Bioware is dealing with it. That statement didn't just single out a few,  He basicly gave us the impression that our opinions, flat out do not matter to them.  I hope it was a misquote. It makes me anxious about the direction Bioware is taking.

I agree.

Bioware does listen to fans. This quote, however, makes Bioware look bad, IMO.

Mr. Woo, its a good thing your not in charge. If you really think there's no back and forth exchange needed between developers and gamers and it's okay to just do what you want(consumers opinions be damned), I think your in the wrong business or with the wrong company.    

[That Ninja]

I, too, am deeply disappointed that this scifi third person shooter/role playing game does not feature very awkwardly animated cutscenes of sex. I'm not sure I will be comfortable buying Mass Effect 3 if it doesn't have teh buttsecks.

[GeometricLol]

im baffled that all you people are actually getting your panties all worked up over this? i mean seriously, go outside, get a girlfriend, get laid, whatever. if you want to see some action that bad just get some porn or something. Bioware's choice to tone down the final sex scene isnt detracting anything from your LI, get over yourselves.

[SimonTheFrog]

I think the partial nudity was well made in ME1 and that it has it's place in a game for grown ups.

I also think that with all the different characters and romances in the game it would be awkward to think of a nudity sex scene for each. There's got to be some variation and all that. In that light i think it's strange to not include some hot scenes and some others.



But i also see the advantage of not including hot scenes: they have an enormous gravity for attention. And with all the story telling and characterization that BW has accomplished in ME2 the LI's are just a small part of a big web of stories. They are important, sure, because they give depth and are very sweet, but so are many other scenes.

I think it's good that the hotness of the romance scenes are not distracting the audience too much and that ME2 is not being called the game "with TEH hot space chicks you can screw"... I mean, it is, but it's so much more, too

[aries1001]

While we, of course, can suggest things and discuss things here on the social forums, and Bioware is listening, it is up to Bioware to decide whether or not they want to use any of our suggestions. Just because Bioware is listening doesn't mean that we, the gamers, get to decide what Bioware puts into their games. And quite frankly, if you don't like the game, then don't buy it. Sorry to be so harsh here...but that's what I'm doing...

[Ricardoy]

Barker673 wrote...

Firstly, people need to stop blaming EA for everything they dislike that BioWare decides on implementing/removing.

Secondly, I think it's more the fact that the romance scenes are even tamer than what they were in ME1 that has people complaining. I think most people (Myself included) expected BioWare to push the envelope of what we had seen before - The scenes themselves were very short in ME2 as well (Miranda's seemed the longest to me) and didn't seem to impact on the relationship afterwards until after the credits rolled.

What I mean is, in ME1 after the romance scene, you would have that little cutscene with Liara/Kaidan/Ash saying whatever, "Don't get yourself killed" etc. and with ME2 there is nothing. End credits, sure, you can invite them up to snuggle, but the dialogue remains the same as before you go through the Omega-4 Relay. Disappointing.

Nudity? Sure, why not. It's a mature game anyway - I don't see the big deal either way.

I dont like the Illusive man(ur avatar)..but i have to agree with this.

[Miraider]

I think if the devs put some sex and nudity to the game that you will be writing "Why did they put sex to the game, I don't like it!"

[aaron baba]

Miraider wrote...

I think if the devs put some sex and nudity to the game that you will be writing "Why did they put sex to the game, I don't like it!"

exactly what i was thinking

[catabuca]

I preferred the ME1 'romance culmination scenes' to those of ME2 simply because they felt more intimate and loving. ME2 was, in some cases (Miranda, Jack) far more sexually assertive in terms of raw passion, naked or not. Which is more 'mature'? It depends how you define mature. Both were mature, in different ways.

[Marcin K]

Miraider wrote...

I think if the devs put some sex and nudity to the game that you will be writing "Why did they put sex to the game, I don't like it!"

i myself thought that EA & BIOWARE would expand somewhat love scenes and all that's around it a little more in 2 than in ME 1 but it in my opinion ,sadly, ME 2 is going opposite direction, the're "shutting the door" so to say literally
the game has 18+ rating on the box anyway, so for me it would be good if they expanded love thread in ME3 to something like permanent relationship and dragged scenes a bit more futhurer. i not say a lot but a bit more [in comparison with scenes form ME1]
so to sum up: BIOWARE & EA as to love thread/scenes don't go current path[ME2] expand it a bit [from ref. point ME1]
it wont hurt!
EDIT: as another thought came over me: MEABY they are holding up with the love thread in ME 2 to make a big whoom final in ME3 including Liara, as in some interview with Bioware staff i read they wanted to make sure she will survive ME2 for some reason...
what do you think?
P.S. sorry for such a long post:)

Modifié par Marcin R, 14 février 2010 - 07:24 .