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Stanley Woo wrote...
Fumbleumble, I'm reasonably certain the "agree with me or you're wrong" stance also isn't productive.
SkullandBonesmember wrote...
Guess what Fumbleumble? ROMANCE IS OPTIONAL.
Cloaking_Thane wrote...
It's also hypocrisy, if you're going to insult all Americans.....at least have the decency to spell right
Fumbleumble wrote...
Stanley Woo wrote...
Fumbleumble, I'm reasonably certain the "agree with me or you're wrong" stance also isn't productive.
Then show me how I'm wrong... give me justification that there are gains to be made in terms of 'character development' when the only addition is naked wireframes.
Manny NL wrote...
I find it unbelievable that there really is a discussion about sex and nudity in game, while we (or you) apear to find it no problem that the game is filled with violence and killing!!!! Apparently it is ok to shoot and kill, but it is wrong to love and have a good f*** (especially after killing some aliens) !!
Sorry if i am wrong, but i bet it is mostly americans who complain about sex in (violent) games, since they are known for their hypocrism.
Cloaking_Thane wrote...
Fumbleumble wrote...
Stanley Woo wrote...
Fumbleumble, I'm reasonably certain the "agree with me or you're wrong" stance also isn't productive.
Then show me how I'm wrong... give me justification that there are gains to be made in terms of 'character development' when the only addition is naked wireframes.
How about the fact you recruited, gained the loyalty, had many potential death missions w/ crew members and probably took you LI along every time.
Fighting side by side all the time, and are about to embark on a suicide mission w/ the possibility of nvever coming back.
Surely that is more deserving than a kiss/blackscreen
gneissguy2003 wrote...
Bigeyez wrote...
Since when did being mature mean "I want ****** and pootytang in my videogames"?
What would showing ****** and some wang do for the game? Does that progress
the story? Does that add anything of relevance to the characters? Does
it do anything except detract from the rest of the game, and just make
Bioware a target for nutjobs who like to go on Fox News?
No it doesn't.
Okay, this is just getting frustrating now. I don't typically like getting into discussions like this, especially on an internet forum where it all seems so pointless, but I feel compelled.
No offense, but when did the wholesale exclusion of intimacy and sexuality denote maturity either? And let's be honest here, the ONLY people talking about nudity and explicit sex are people like you who obviously don't want it at all in the game. Meanwhile, the majority of the people complaining about the romantic scenes in ME2 do NOT want to see some messed up, raunchy, hardcore sex scene! They want exactly what they got with ME1: a tasteful, well thought out, artistic, and emotionally fulfilling romantic scene between your character and the object of their affections that in no way showed anything explicit or gratuitously sexual. Why and how is that so hard to understand? Why do people think that the only options are either gentle petting or going buckwild with private parts being thrown across their screen?
I understand Mr. Woo's comment of it being Bioware's call on what is inevitably put into the game because it is their game, and I think that's fine. However, I feel somewhat incensed whenever I read some of these comments and people says things such as "why would adding sex to a game make it more mature? it seems childish and immature". I feel incensed because any honest, well-adjusted, mature adult has an understanding of sexuality and shouldn't be bothered by having to deal with it. The scenes in ME1 more or less set the bar for what they can and should strive for in their games (at least in my opinion), and anything less is Bioware not creating to their full and God-given potential. And while I have not as of yet gotten to any of the romantic scenes in ME2, if they are going to be what some people in this thread are saying they will be then I, for one, am probably going to be disappointed.
I understand that each person has their own opinion on what is or is not acceptable. However, in a game where the player is assumed to be mature enough to deal with issues such as actively choosing to have their character
interrupt a conversation by blowing a defenseless person's brains out, it seems rather ridiculous to then sit there and say that it would be immature to include anything, even a bit of bare skin, that could imply sexuality or sensualness. To be honest, in my opinion it is those people who are requesting a return to the ME1-type romance scenes that have been the most mature and reasonable people in this entire discussion, especially the OP.
Perhaps the best thing for Bioware to do, as someone suggested, is to just create an option where such things would be censored if the player didn't want to see them. In the end, though, it's their choice and we the players will have very little say in the end-product.
Fumbleumble wrote...
We're not talking romance here.. we are talking about the actual and unnecessary graphical representation of the act itself.
They are NOT the same.
SkullandBonesmember wrote...
Fumbleumble wrote...
We're not talking romance here.. we are talking about the actual and unnecessary graphical representation of the act itself.
They are NOT the same.
In an adult game, isn't it logical they go together?
Fumbleumble wrote...
You're grasping at straws mate.
Modifié par SkullandBonesmember, 17 février 2010 - 09:59 .
SkullandBonesmember wrote...
Fumbleumble wrote...
You're grasping at straws mate.
Of course. It can only be one or the other. Not a multitude of factors. Let me ask you this, if you had to choose how a romance scene unfolded in ME3, since things are only one or the other, would you rather have a sex scene like the one with the hooker in Fallout 3 with no buildup, no nothing, or the very well done Mass Effect 1 scenes?
Modifié par Niorcs, 17 février 2010 - 10:10 .
Modifié par JPWriting, 17 février 2010 - 10:13 .
JPWriting wrote...
I dunno, I think the new LI's were handled fine... the focus was on the characters rather than the act.
The bigger 'What the heck?!' issue for me was the fact that this sequel almost seems to push you towards dropping your previously built relationship with a character. I can't go into detail because I don't want to spoil, but...
I suppose with the plot the way it is from the start of ME2 (working with/for a certain distasteful entity) a bit of rough water given that situation and some time passing makes sense, but the way it was handled was well below the standard I am accustomed to from the Bioware folks. It was extremely unrewarding to remaining faithful... and sometimes didn't even make any sense whatsoever. You may as well have not even played ME1 from the perspective of former relationships, which was very disappointing (but the main story was as good as ever).
Still a fantastic game, no doubt from me there, but the way the previously LI's were practically dropped in favor of new 'conquests' led to a knit brow and a frown from me.
Do you consider this fact or opinion?. If opinion, it is a narrow one. You are railing against experiencing one part of the fictional character's natural progression. To support that statement the burden of proof is on you.Fumbleumble wrote...
Since when did nudity of any type add anything worthwhile to anything? (and remember were talking fiction here)
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Modifié par SerSpiffy, 17 février 2010 - 10:24 .
DarkwanderStorm wrote...
gneissguy2003 wrote...
Bigeyez wrote...
Since when did being mature mean "I want ****** and pootytang in my videogames"?
What would showing ****** and some wang do for the game? Does that progress
the story? Does that add anything of relevance to the characters? Does
it do anything except detract from the rest of the game, and just make
Bioware a target for nutjobs who like to go on Fox News?
No it doesn't.
Okay, this is just getting frustrating now. I don't typically like getting into discussions like this, especially on an internet forum where it all seems so pointless, but I feel compelled.
No offense, but when did the wholesale exclusion of intimacy and sexuality denote maturity either? And let's be honest here, the ONLY people talking about nudity and explicit sex are people like you who obviously don't want it at all in the game. Meanwhile, the majority of the people complaining about the romantic scenes in ME2 do NOT want to see some messed up, raunchy, hardcore sex scene! They want exactly what they got with ME1: a tasteful, well thought out, artistic, and emotionally fulfilling romantic scene between your character and the object of their affections that in no way showed anything explicit or gratuitously sexual. Why and how is that so hard to understand? Why do people think that the only options are either gentle petting or going buckwild with private parts being thrown across their screen?
I understand Mr. Woo's comment of it being Bioware's call on what is inevitably put into the game because it is their game, and I think that's fine. However, I feel somewhat incensed whenever I read some of these comments and people says things such as "why would adding sex to a game make it more mature? it seems childish and immature". I feel incensed because any honest, well-adjusted, mature adult has an understanding of sexuality and shouldn't be bothered by having to deal with it. The scenes in ME1 more or less set the bar for what they can and should strive for in their games (at least in my opinion), and anything less is Bioware not creating to their full and God-given potential. And while I have not as of yet gotten to any of the romantic scenes in ME2, if they are going to be what some people in this thread are saying they will be then I, for one, am probably going to be disappointed.
I understand that each person has their own opinion on what is or is not acceptable. However, in a game where the player is assumed to be mature enough to deal with issues such as actively choosing to have their character
interrupt a conversation by blowing a defenseless person's brains out, it seems rather ridiculous to then sit there and say that it would be immature to include anything, even a bit of bare skin, that could imply sexuality or sensualness. To be honest, in my opinion it is those people who are requesting a return to the ME1-type romance scenes that have been the most mature and reasonable people in this entire discussion, especially the OP.
Perhaps the best thing for Bioware to do, as someone suggested, is to just create an option where such things would be censored if the player didn't want to see them. In the end, though, it's their choice and we the players will have very little say in the end-product.
^agree^
.... a big quote with a one word affirmation... now tell me how you're comment doesn't fully support what posters are saying about the mentality of the pro-boobie camp :/
BeLikeHan wrote...
But as you said. Thread topic...I do find it strange that so many people who are obviously united in their love of Bioware and gaming on this forum should be at eachothers' throats in this thread just because some of us would have liked something a little more fleshed out (excuse the pun) in terms of the romances in the game. As others have said, I thought the scene in ME was really well done. They managed to avoid the childish and gratuitous nudity present in something like God Of War or what have you, without just fading to black and simply implying that you may or may not have boned an alien. It was a really finely crafted scene, which comes as no surprise from the guys at Bioware. I expected something similar in ME2, and got something much tamer, and yes, it was a bit of a let down. Not because I don't know how to work the internet and I'm just DYING to see some risky polygons. But because, in a game like this where character interaction and development is a major part of what makes the game, that scene is the culmination of an immense journey. You can cry "NERD" all you want, but Mass Effect has created a universe filled with characters that I genuinely like and have become invested in (in a very healthy way I promise. No Avatar.) and the scene was just a little less than I expected. After all, if you went into a battle and after firing a few shots the screen dimmed and cut away, and the game resumed at the next scene...wouldn't you feel a little cheated? I know, the analogy is extreme. But the relationships you build with other characters is one of the major factors that puts Mass Effect, and Bioware in general, at the top of the current gaming scene. You are Shepard, you shape him (or her), and experience this epic tale alongside your companions who you build a report with over the course of the game (or two games, depending). It's just strange to spend 47 hours right there with Shepard through every brutal decision, every scare, every battle, every humorous exhange, and then be pulled out of this particular "action" as if you were a 12 year old child seeing an R-rated movie with your parents.
But I digress. Though I have my opinion, it is in no way something that I feel the need to be SUPER DUPER angry about, or start some infantile boycott or anything. ME2 is one of the finest gaming experiences I have ever had, but it's inevitable that with a game of this magnitude you will come across some things you don't necessarily see eye-to-eye with the devs on. We all have our own little list of things we might have tweaked in Mass Effect one way or the other. This is one area where I just would have liked a little more. As it is, I'll live. It's still a fantastic game. And one which I apparently like to talk about way too much...
Modifié par SerSpiffy, 17 février 2010 - 10:33 .
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