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[SerSpiffy]

okay. p.s why the hell do my posts get big spaces within each sentence. i only skip a for 1 paragraph and i get a DOUBLE SPACER, WTF?!

[Cloaking_Thane]

dude is just a pseudo wanna be intellectual.



No one says is game breaking or yea boobies, but the "sex scenes" do not add up to the mature flavor and theme of this series.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Niorcs wrote...

I'd rather have neither, because a. you never had sex with the hooker, and b. the ME1 scenes were just different models in the same positions. I don't think either were great

I think you need to play Fallout 3 again. You don't PAY a hooker to only lie in bed with her.

[SerSpiffy]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

dude is just a pseudo wanna be intellectual.

No one says is game breaking or yea boobies, but the "sex scenes" do not add up to the mature flavor and theme of this series.

lol i can't tell... so is that a "Bioware, THIS IS NOT SEXUALLY THEMED CONTENT, MAKE IT REALISTIC WITH REAL SEX SCENES"

or "NUUUUUUUUUU, IT'S GOOD ENOUGH AS IT IS"

[DarkwanderStorm]

i don't think it really matters
i don't need to support what i agree with the points he made i agreed with that is all
why make it a be over zealous about what I agreed with did it bother you?

If you want my opinion no I do not need a porno scene with a money shot and etc.
How the scenes were handed in ME1 was great
ME2 yea they cheesed off a bit and should have kept the same idea from ME1

They should just have a option for you to check [] Do you want recreations of human interactions?

Modifié par DarkwanderStorm, 17 février 2010 - 10:42 .

[SerSpiffy]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Niorcs wrote...

I'd rather have neither, because a. you never had sex with the hooker, and b. the ME1 scenes were just different models in the same positions. I don't think either were great

I think you need to play Fallout 3 again. You don't PAY a hooker to only lie in bed with her.

what a waste of 100 bottle caps...
i could have bought a soda... BUT NOOOOOO I HAD TO PAY HER TO LAY IN BED WITH ME.

[Fumbleumble]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

dude is just a pseudo wanna be intellectual.

No one says is game breaking or yea boobies, but the "sex scenes" do not add up to the mature flavor and theme of this series.

Which is ENTIRELY the point I'm making.. since when is shoving sex in everything mature.. it is FAR MORE mature to accept that the players who SHOULD be paying this KNOW what sex is and for the game to deal other deeper matters of human interaction.

And on a personal note.. I think you're a pretty sad bloke if intelectual equaltes to someone with his mind above his navel.

[Madame November]

DrathanGervaise wrote...

Sex AND Nudity?

Yes please.

HEY! I was coming in here to say that!

[SerSpiffy]

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

i don't think it really matters
i don't need to support what i agree with the points he made i agreed with that is all
why make it a be over zealous about what I agreed with did it bother you?

If you want my opinion no I do not need a porno scene with a money shot and etc.
How the scenes were handed in ME1 was great
ME2 yea the cheesed off and should have kept the same idea from ME1

They should just have a option for you to check [] Do you want recreations of human interactions?

EXACTLY WHAT THIS GUY SAID

ME 1 scenes = GREAT! PERFECT!
ME 2 scenes = only good ones were: Jacobs, Mirandas, Jacks and the ones that were scrapped that could have been WAAAAAY EPIC but bioware said "NAAA BRO" were: Garrus and Tali's <_<
There is always ME3
but personally. when i thought tali was like "feel your skin on mine" i thought:
Ashley's love scene in the first one instead replaced by a loveable Quarian.
Shepard and Tali finally sharing kisses and bodies rubbing against each other.
gaaaaah fanboy mode.

D:

i'm- just gonna stop now. ._.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Fumbleumble wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

dude is just a pseudo wanna be intellectual.

No one says is game breaking or yea boobies, but the "sex scenes" do not add up to the mature flavor and theme of this series.

Which is ENTIRELY the point I'm making.. since when is shoving sex in everything mature.. it is FAR MORE mature to accept that the players who SHOULD be paying this KNOW what sex is and for the game to deal other deeper matters of human interaction.

And on a personal note.. I think you're a pretty sad bloke if intelectual equaltes to someone with his mind above his navel.

You're simply an idiot....attempting to insinuate I think w/ my only penis......very clever.........and calling me a sad man to boot.

try harder to be a psuedo-intellectual next time.

If youre looking for a pat on the back for being more "mature" than everyone in the thread then you IMO are the much more sad individual.

I can already tell from your dry British humor and complete arrogance in this thread I'm twice the intellect and man you are.

k thx bye.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Fumbleumble wrote...

Which is ENTIRELY the point I'm making.. since when is shoving sex in everything mature.. it is FAR MORE mature to accept that the players who SHOULD be paying this KNOW what sex is and for the game to deal other deeper matters of human interaction.

And on a personal note.. I think you're a pretty sad bloke if intelectual equaltes to someone with his mind above his navel.

Impresario wrote...

If people in real life relationships have sex, and people in fictional relationships have sex, then it follows that a realistic portrayal of romantic relationships includes sex.  The burden of proof is on you to explain why covering one's eyes is preferable.

Did you not read Impresario's post? Or are you conveniently ignoring it?

Modifié par SkullandBonesmember, 17 février 2010 - 10:56 .

[SerSpiffy]

i think OP just wants something to ****** too durr hurr



i think it'd be awesome to have pornographic sex in a video game.



doesn't mean i agree with DEMANDING it being there.

i know for a fact. there will never be porn in a video game.

unless you guys are holding out a dirty little secret.... guys?



SONG OF A RACHNI!!!

[DarkwanderStorm]

mmmm dirty secrets

[TheTrooper1138]

Fumbleumble wrote...

Since when did nudity of any type add anything worthwhile to anything?

hm, let me think... you ever heard of an era called "classical antiquity" (I'm sure you heard something about it in school)... or Renaissance? That ring a bell? Need an example? Fine, here you go: http://en.wikipedia....d_(Michelangelo)

And since I consider video games art, I think that's basically all the justification you need. Even the ancient Greek people had naked statures and everything, but in our "so far advanced" society, one naked butt or sideboob causes outrages... lol...

I won't even reply to the rest of the bull**** you wrote, since it all goes in the same vein as "if you wan't pr0n, go on the internet"... I don't want porn in Mass Effect. I want art. And the sex scene in the first one was ARTISTICLY done. If you don't agree, fine, then you don't, but then don't pretend to understand the people who actually liked the scene for the artistic way in which is was done. And as I for one pointed out several times already, the strippers in ME 2 (including Kelly btw) are far more pornographic than an artful/sensual sex scene. And THAT'S hypocrisy, since that seems to be OK, as long as we don't get to see their naked butts... no problem that the strippers lustfully touch themselves when you tip them, but a romantic sensual sex scene with a little naked skin is much much worse... yeah, right... hypocrites...

[Segameister]

Menalaos and Stanley both bring up good points. While I preferred the more 'colorful' ME1 scene, it certainly didn't change my preference in ME2. I'd go one step farther, I believe the after romance event talking (with a character I'll keep nameless for spoiler reasons) encouraged the perception that this is an actual relationship with the two characters. It's more like the beginning of a serious relationship, vs a 'roll in the hay on the eve of battle' kinda thing. Considering the depth of the story and characters in the series, it's another improvement in a game where almost (relative to opinion) everything was better than the first.



I hate games that go overboard in blood / gore / sex just because of a belief that its what makes a great game / sells well - I want quality, and it doesn't have to include nudity or excessive gore (listening, Left for dead 2?). I'm a parent, there are games that I won't even buy, because I don't want to risk the boys watching something I don't want them to see, but can't turn it off.

[DarkwanderStorm]

nailed it

[durasteel]

Fumbleumble wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Fumbleumble, I'm reasonably certain the "agree with me or you're wrong" stance also isn't productive.

Then show me how I'm wrong... give me justification that there are gains to be made in terms of 'character development' when the only addition is naked wireframes.

The difficulty seems to be that you don't want to acknowledge the obvious, and others seem to have difficulty putting something completely obvious into concise statement.  I'll try, therefore, to give you what you ask for.

First, let's dispense with this "graphic sex" nonsense.  No one is asking for it.  No demand for Shepard porn, no cry for Liara smut, no drive for Ashley hardcore.  None.  There is almost universal acclaim for the scenes from the first Mass Effect game, which stops at butt shots and side-boob, as you are doubtless well aware.  This is not graphical sex.

What Mass Effect's scenes of intimacy do have, however, is soft-focus camera shots from careful angles (to avoid graphic naughtiness) that make it clear that the characters are naked together.  That's your justification, right there.  Humans have a visceral reaction to nakedness.  Nothing else can more effectively communicate the lowering of barriers and the vulnerability that is inherent in intimate encounters.  If two people cuddle with clothes on, it is sweet.  Absent clothing, it becomes much more.

This is something that BioWare is clearly aware of, because they used these principles effectively in their depiction of Jack.  She is essentially topless from the moment she's introduced, with her life story etched literally onto her skin.  On the one hand, she has no secrets and nothing to hide, while on the other hand she is inaccessible and withdrawn, hidden in a dark corner in the belly of the Normandy.  It is a great metaphor for her entire character.

This is not an issue of seeing Tali's boobies.  This is about seeing Shepard and Tali (or Shepard and Miranda, Shepard and Garrus, Shepard and... you get the picture) with their defenses down, sharing a moment of complete openness and trust.  That's the difference between Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 in this regard: while you know, cognitively, that that moment of intimacy took place before the Omega Relay, you know it viscerally - you feel it - before Ilos.  You feel it because you saw it.  There was no graphic sex, but there was tenderness and passion, and we saw intimacy, trust, and mutual surrender in that moment communicated through the depiction of two people being naked together.

The single greatest thing that sets BioWare games apart from those of other developers is the emotional involvement in the characters and story.  I will remember, as long as I live, the way I felt the first time I saw the Revan reveal, or the first time Bastila said "nothing could make me feel safer than to be loved by you."  BioWare hires the best writers and voice actors to make sure that the emotional connection is made, and in Mass Effect they went even farther, showing intimacy, trust, and vulnerability in the most effective way possible.

Now, you might want to compare KotOR and ME2 and suggest that the former should set the standard for the latter, never mind ME1.  That's not appropriate.  In Knights of the Old Republic, no one actually had an intimate encounter.  In Mass Effect 2, however, booty is called.  The way it is handled in the game, however, is not as satisfying, and does not create the visceral, emotional response that Mass Effect offered.

 Many people assert that they liked the love scene in Mass Effect, and that they miss that in Mass Effect 2.  That's what this is about.  This isn't "give us porn."  This is "what you did there, I liked it.  Do it again."

Here's the "TL;DR" version of your justification: humans react emotionally to seeing two adults naked together, even if we don't see the naughty bits ourselves.  Emotional reactions are what BioWare games offer.  We want those moments, and miss them when we don't get them.

[DarkwanderStorm]

nailed the final nail in the coffin

[Ryzaki]

^Huh? I thought Bastila did sleep with Male Revan. >_>



Isn't that why they went into the part of the ship with all the beds in it? O_o



Might have been a mod though. >_<

[bombUp]

I just want ME3 to be like ME1.



Lets move forward and screw Fox News.

[durasteel]

Ryzaki wrote...

^Huh? I thought Bastila did sleep with Male Revan. >_>

Isn't that why they went into the part of the ship with all the beds in it? O_o

Might have been a mod though. >_<

It was a kiss, nothing more (absent a mod.)  It faded to black because, at the time, it was a right pain in the posterior to animate that in that graphics engine, and LucasArts was pushing hard to get the title out the door.  I've seen mods by fans that do a decent job - I assume that there was a lot of trial and error involved before it came out tolerably.

[Ryzaki]

durasteel wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

^Huh? I thought Bastila did sleep with Male Revan. >_>

Isn't that why they went into the part of the ship with all the beds in it? O_o

Might have been a mod though. >_<

It was a kiss, nothing more (absent a mod.)  It faded to black because, at the time, it was a right pain in the posterior to animate that in that graphics engine, and LucasArts was pushing hard to get the title out the door.  I've seen mods by fans that do a decent job - I assume that there was a lot of trial and error involved before it came out tolerably.

wow. That's...insanely lame. She started bugging over a kiss? Bah. <_< 

[asdfghjkl27]

durasteel wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Fumbleumble, I'm reasonably certain the "agree with me or you're wrong" stance also isn't productive.

Then show me how I'm wrong... give me justification that there are gains to be made in terms of 'character development' when the only addition is naked wireframes.

The difficulty seems to be that you don't want to acknowledge the obvious, and others seem to have difficulty putting something completely obvious into concise statement.  I'll try, therefore, to give you what you ask for.

First, let's dispense with this "graphic sex" nonsense.  No one is asking for it.  No demand for Shepard porn, no cry for Liara smut, no drive for Ashley hardcore.  None.  There is almost universal acclaim for the scenes from the first Mass Effect game, which stops at butt shots and side-boob, as you are doubtless well aware.  This is not graphical sex.

What Mass Effect's scenes of intimacy do have, however, is soft-focus camera shots from careful angles (to avoid graphic naughtiness) that make it clear that the characters are naked together.  That's your justification, right there.  Humans have a visceral reaction to nakedness.  Nothing else can more effectively communicate the lowering of barriers and the vulnerability that is inherent in intimate encounters.  If two people cuddle with clothes on, it is sweet.  Absent clothing, it becomes much more.

This is something that BioWare is clearly aware of, because they used these principles effectively in their depiction of Jack.  She is essentially topless from the moment she's introduced, with her life story etched literally onto her skin.  On the one hand, she has no secrets and nothing to hide, while on the other hand she is inaccessible and withdrawn, hidden in a dark corner in the belly of the Normandy.  It is a great metaphor for her entire character.

This is not an issue of seeing Tali's boobies.  This is about seeing Shepard and Tali (or Shepard and Miranda, Shepard and Garrus, Shepard and... you get the picture) with their defenses down, sharing a moment of complete openness and trust.  That's the difference between Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 in this regard: while you know, cognitively, that that moment of intimacy took place before the Omega Relay, you know it viscerally - you feel it - before Ilos.  You feel it because you saw it.  There was no graphic sex, but there was tenderness and passion, and we saw intimacy, trust, and mutual surrender in that moment communicated through the depiction of two people being naked together.

The single greatest thing that sets BioWare games apart from those of other developers is the emotional involvement in the characters and story.  I will remember, as long as I live, the way I felt the first time I saw the Revan reveal, or the first time Bastila said "nothing could make me feel safer than to be loved by you."  BioWare hires the best writers and voice actors to make sure that the emotional connection is made, and in Mass Effect they went even farther, showing intimacy, trust, and vulnerability in the most effective way possible.

Now, you might want to compare KotOR and ME2 and suggest that the former should set the standard for the latter, never mind ME1.  That's not appropriate.  In Knights of the Old Republic, no one actually had an intimate encounter.  In Mass Effect 2, however, booty is called.  The way it is handled in the game, however, is not as satisfying, and does not create the visceral, emotional response that Mass Effect offered.

 Many people assert that they liked the love scene in Mass Effect, and that they miss that in Mass Effect 2.  That's what this is about.  This isn't "give us porn."  This is "what you did there, I liked it.  Do it again."

Here's the "TL;DR" version of your justification: humans react emotionally to seeing two adults naked together, even if we don't see the naughty bits ourselves.  Emotional reactions are what BioWare games offer.  We want those moments, and miss them when we don't get them.

this. 

[DarkwanderStorm]

lol