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[OneBadAssMother]

^ Agreed



As for ME2 scenes, perhaps it depends on which character

[Valfrekr]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

I don't really think nudity is needed in the game. If you really want nudity I'm sure you can google some porn video and see all the XXX sex you want.

That's not the point. The point is that if I'm playing as a hardened Soldier in a mature space opera, having a sex scene will seem to go together. Think about it this way, in an R rated movie, the sex scene isn't cut from the film simply because children may stumble upon it; it remains because the director knows that adults can handle nudity. Bioware ****ed out on this, with both Mass Effect 2, and Dragon Age. In other words, Bioware is treating us like children.

[Marcin K]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

You're grasping at straws mate.

Of course. It can only be one or the other. Not a multitude of factors. Let me ask you this, if you had to choose how a romance scene unfolded in ME3, since things are only one or the other, would you rather have a sex scene like the one with the hooker in Fallout 3 with no buildup, no nothing, or the very well done Mass Effect 1 scenes?

my choice: "very well done Mass Effect 1 scenes"

[Lonely_Fat_Guy]

Me1 scenes were better, both naked, didnt see much, jjust naked body's against each other.



this whole fade beofre doing actually black thing is just meh.

its an adult game, aprouch sex as an adult too then.

[OneBadAssMother]

You have to keep up with the times, for example, metal music back in the day used to be flagged by all church groups and/or older generation folk as "demon music". Of course, this is incredibly false and a complete misunderstanding. However, thats how the world worked back then. Nowadays things changed.

In today's world, the idea of sex and nudity in gaming is something that isn't acceptable. Having it on TV is considered better.

Modifié par OneBadAssMother, 18 février 2010 - 02:26 .

[ian528]

I have found Mass Effect 2 underwhelming in this respect.  I felt that there were definite attempts made to have Sheppard make a connection with a squad mate and have it be defined well.  However, the shot of the consorts hand against the wall in ME 1 was much more sexually satisfying and portrayed nothing.  Nudity is not necessarily needed but it helps to create a pay off for the emotional investment in the characters.  

I have seen the moderators reply that they were handling things in a more adult manner and not being so juvenile as to just go for the nude moment.  Has he played the game?  The sexual maturity of the game dropped immensely.  Yes there is no nudity, but we get Fleet and Flotilla porn discussion, Asari - Hanar porn games, bachelors being turned on by a stripper, the ability to tip a stripper, Formax and a host of other very juvenile adult content.  

I  am an adult and I loved the first ME in part for the emotional payoff the love scene had.  It was in every sense an adult game that I would have no problem with a teen playing.  This game is still a very good game but in the sense of emotional pay off with the time invested it cheats the player more then a bit.  I am a huge fan of Tali.  Loved her in the first game and love the continuation of her story in the second.  The removal of the faceplate is a huge thing.  We all understand it but we were robbed when it came to the pay off being seeing her face.  Sheppard gets to see it and in a very real sense when we play through we are Sheppard and we do not get to see her face.  Seeing her face or helping to remove the environmental suit would get that pay off.   Yes players can imagine anything and that is awesome but giving that view would have been in many ways better.

Miranda also gets moved to the level of an FHM or similar mens magazine by wearing the lacy bra and making it more model porn then actual pay off.  There could have been a much better scene showing next to nothing but with her naked and her and Sheppard kissing.  Better scene and much less prurient.

That being said the male characters perhaps make out worse.  They seem to get short shift because of the belief that everyone playing this game is going to want to spend more time with the hot female love interest then with the male love interests.  A kiss in comparison to the emotional content of the women is very juvenile and shows a male perspective at Bioware that the first game did not have.

I love ME 2 in many ways I consider it to surpass the original.  But for emotional relationships, the first game still wins.

[OneBadAssMother]

Heh, the reason both me and my wife enjoy Bioware games (and actually starting gaming together since Dragon Age, personally I started gaming again due to ME1).... was the fact that...



Bioware games are interactive movies, and you DIRECT the episodes. On TV they had "Big Brother" to give viewers some form of interaction but seriously... it was pathetic. The scene of ME1 - and everyone agrees, it was prime work. It doesnt even show ANYTHING. It's not nudity, but it shows the connection between the characters.



DA's romance scenes were... hilarious lol. ME2 improved a lot however. However, you cant expect Bioware to return to ME1 after that burn they suffered. What they did in ME1 was very artistic and they got burnt. Dont bring this problem up with Bioware, bring this up against those soccer mums.

[SunglareAK]

Prophet of Rage wrote...

Skimmed the thread. What is all this immediate crying about porn? Why are retards learning how to use the internet?

"Mass Effect can be customized to sodomize whatever, whomever, however, the game player wishes..with its ‘over the net’ capabilities virtual orgasmic rape is just the push of a button away." -Kevin McCullough

Plz. Republicans. Gtfo the internet. Plz. Just gtfo.

So should Democratic Liberal's because they like to just make **** up so they can steal hard working peoples money. Global Warming anybody. Biggest farce in history. See what I did there?
I'm a republican and I'm "pro" more love scene. Care to generalize some more.

Sorry Woo i know we aren't suppose to talk about politics but guys like this annoy me.

[KAT4N4]

SunglareAK wrote...

Prophet of Rage wrote...

Skimmed the thread. What is all this immediate crying about porn? Why are retards learning how to use the internet?

"Mass Effect can be customized to sodomize whatever, whomever, however, the game player wishes..with its ‘over the net’ capabilities virtual orgasmic rape is just the push of a button away." -Kevin McCullough

Plz. Republicans. Gtfo the internet. Plz. Just gtfo.

So should Democratic Liberal's because they like to just make **** up so they can steal hard working peoples money. Global Warming anybody. Biggest farce in history. See what I did there?
I'm a republican and I'm "pro" more love scene. Care to generalize some more.

Sorry Woo i know we aren't suppose to talk about politics but guys like this annoy me.

Except global warming is actually happening and Republicans have been wrong on almost every social belief in history. Sure Democrats have their share of anti violent video games people, but Republicans and their Bible loving constituents have far more idiots.

[Stanley Woo]

Quit the personal attacks and get back on topic, please. Acknowledging the rules doesn't give you a license to break them.

[AVornoff]

I feel like I'm in the minority on this one. Telling me that I need to see a perfect pair o' perky nips to be considered a mature gamer feels a bit insulting to my intelligence. Whatever happened to being tasteful?



It blows my mind that the entertainment industry thinks it's mature to do full frontal and use the f-word in every sentence to the point where audiences just sort of accept it. Hell, they even start believing it. It makes the whole argument feel a bit creepy.



I'm going to outright say it: I do not believe that the Mass Effect experience would be enhanced by actually seeing Tali's sweater kittens. I still have an imagination, so I don't need an explicit sex scene or any sex scene at all for that matter to make me like this game.

[KrunkMasterB]

No one is telling you what you need to see. and there were no "perfect pairs of perky nips" in ME1. Like people have been saying, there was little nudity. and as previously mentioned when Fox ran that thing against ME and then later saw the scene she said that she had seen more revealing episodes of Lost.

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

AVornoff wrote...

I feel like I'm in the minority on this one. Telling me that I need to see a perfect pair o' perky nips to be considered a mature gamer feels a bit insulting to my intelligence. Whatever happened to being tasteful?

It blows my mind that the entertainment industry thinks it's mature to do full frontal and use the f-word in every sentence to the point where audiences just sort of accept it. Hell, they even start believing it. It makes the whole argument feel a bit creepy.

I'm going to outright say it: I do not believe that the Mass Effect experience would be enhanced by actually seeing Tali's sweater kittens. I still have an imagination, so I don't need an explicit sex scene or any sex scene at all for that matter to make me like this game.

Nobody is talking about Explicit sex scenes in Mass Effect, but lets be honest you can watch nearly any soap opera or even movies rated 12, or your equivalent, and see people in bed together, apparently naked, yet its not explicit in any way, and you normally don't see anything of an overtly sexual nature.

I've played Dragon Age, and the scenes were just hillarious, in a bad way, an 18 rated game and you wear underwear? Now I didn't expect Porn but it felt so wrong.

[Grizzly46]

ian528 wrote...

I have found Mass Effect 2 underwhelming in this respect.  I felt that there were definite attempts made to have Sheppard make a connection with a squad mate and have it be defined well.  However, the shot of the consorts hand against the wall in ME 1 was much more sexually satisfying and portrayed nothing.  Nudity is not necessarily needed but it helps to create a pay off for the emotional investment in the characters.  

I have seen the moderators reply that they were handling things in a more adult manner and not being so juvenile as to just go for the nude moment.  Has he played the game?  The sexual maturity of the game dropped immensely.  Yes there is no nudity, but we get Fleet and Flotilla porn discussion, Asari - Hanar porn games, bachelors being turned on by a stripper, the ability to tip a stripper, Formax and a host of other very juvenile adult content.  

I  am an adult and I loved the first ME in part for the emotional payoff the love scene had.  It was in every sense an adult game that I would have no problem with a teen playing.  This game is still a very good game but in the sense of emotional pay off with the time invested it cheats the player more then a bit.  I am a huge fan of Tali.  Loved her in the first game and love the continuation of her story in the second.  The removal of the faceplate is a huge thing.  We all understand it but we were robbed when it came to the pay off being seeing her face.  Sheppard gets to see it and in a very real sense when we play through we are Sheppard and we do not get to see her face.  Seeing her face or helping to remove the environmental suit would get that pay off.   Yes players can imagine anything and that is awesome but giving that view would have been in many ways better.

Miranda also gets moved to the level of an FHM or similar mens magazine by wearing the lacy bra and making it more model porn then actual pay off.  There could have been a much better scene showing next to nothing but with her naked and her and Sheppard kissing.  Better scene and much less prurient.

That being said the male characters perhaps make out worse.  They seem to get short shift because of the belief that everyone playing this game is going to want to spend more time with the hot female love interest then with the male love interests.  A kiss in comparison to the emotional content of the women is very juvenile and shows a male perspective at Bioware that the first game did not have.

I love ME 2 in many ways I consider it to surpass the original.  But for emotional relationships, the first game still wins.

Quoted for truth, every single word.

Mass Effect is a game for adults and young adults and I was quite happy to see in the first scene that the Illusive Man smoked - that was what I thought what would set the bar for the rest of the game when it came to drugs, sex, alcohol, whatever - adult stuff. Smoking has almost disappeared nowadays - I don't know how it is in the US, but here in Sweden, I get surprised when I see someone smoke - it is almost that rare.

What I'm saying is that smoking is one of the things adults do, and I expected the rest of the game to have the same level. Not to the exremes games like GTA takes it to, but with taste. This feeling was also underbuilt with other factors - people swore, there were (very sexy) dancers at Afterlife, that Fornax magazine, you could get drunk with the doc... Everything done to a very good and very tasteful level. Then, when you are about to get down to business, I would have expected the same level as with the rest (ie, something like the scenes from ME1), but that was cheated on us. No, I don't need pumping action, and I don't need close-ups of ******, but something that suggests that something is going on.

The reason I play computer games is because I want a reward for what I'm going through, and the only thing that can actually reward me, as a player, is a good cutscene. So, if I manage to keep up the good job of courting a woman, I would like to see I'm getting something for my efforts, just like I want to see something good if I manage to kill the big bad boss. It's no difference there.

[Nygaard87]

I don't really feel that a more visual sex scenes are needed, just more...natural perhaps. I generally feel that the sex scenes from ME1 were more satisfying, without being immature.

[Torhagen]

I get that bioware wants to keeps the Quarian Mistery alive and i have no problem with that.

For the other two scenes however i am very dissapointed in Bioware that the ducked under the pressure of the US-MEDIA-INSANITY or did your new Boss named EA felt the need to kiss Ass seriously in DA.O as well.

[Br0th3rGr1mm]

Bioware hates clowns! I knew it!

[SkullTang]

The scene in mass effect 1 was well done I thought the same for mass effect 2.

I'm not looking for full on video game porn that would just take a way from the main story because everyone would let the galaxy be destroyed just so they could see some blue chick's boobs and that is just sad.



Quarians are better looking anyway

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

SkullTang wrote...

The scene in mass effect 1 was well done I thought the same for mass effect 2.
I'm not looking for full on video game porn that would just take a way from the main story because everyone would let the galaxy be destroyed just so they could see some blue chick's boobs and that is just sad.

Quarians are better looking anyway

And why would people do that? Anyway ME2 couldn't really take much more away from the main story as it didn't have much main story to begin with, minus the pick ups and loyalty quests there wasn't much left.

Speaking as a mature adult, of later years, I find it a little weird that I can go around blowing people's brains out, with nice effects to boot, but ! am not allowed to see a little flesh now and again.

What's worse? blowing things up and people dying or nudity?

[Torhagen]

SkullTang wrote...

The scene in mass effect 1 was well done I thought the same for mass effect 2.
I'm not looking for full on video game porn that would just take a way from the main story because everyone would let the galaxy be destroyed just so they could see some blue chick's boobs and that is just sad.

Quarians are better looking anyway

I am not looking for for full on video game porn if i would want that there is enough of that in the internetz

But why to people always try to play the "Porn Card" 
So you think that a 10second Romance scene with them being actually naked while having sex is porn or what??

[Grizzly46]

Torhagen wrote...

SkullTang wrote...

The scene in mass effect 1 was well done I thought the same for mass effect 2.
I'm not looking for full on video game porn that would just take a way from the main story because everyone would let the galaxy be destroyed just so they could see some blue chick's boobs and that is just sad.

Quarians are better looking anyway

I am not looking for for full on video game porn if i would want that there is enough of that in the internetz

But why to people always try to play the "Porn Card" 
So you think that a 10second Romance scene with them being actually naked while having sex is porn or what??

I guess that depends on where you come from (*cough* the US *cough*)... Porn is by definition the explicit depiction of sex scenes where the sex is the focus of the scene, but way too many people think of porn if they see nudity or consenting adults making love (there is a difference). I don't need to see a full front nekkid Miranda in a scene where she and Shepard dance naughty, but something more than just some making out would have been nice. The scene with the consort or the LI in ME1 where PERFECT in this sense. Enough skin shown, but no close-ups, just the way it was meant to be.

[aries1001]

I've just seen the love/romance/sex scenes on a site that's just turned five (5). And frankly, I've have to say that I liked them a lot. And not seeing Tali's face, just adds to the mystery, I find. None of you seem to have grasped that it's the women who are initiating the love scenes. I particularly like the lead up to Mirandas and Tali's romance and love scenes. The Mass Effect 1 love scene worked well in that setting; the Mass Effect 2 love scenes works well in this setting. There's just enough left to the imagination, I find, which is, after all, the thing that works the best. We can imagine what is happening; our minds will fill in the blanks. And our minds will always do a better job than anything that Bioware can come up with it. I just miss maybe some symbolism here; some steam letting out, or maybe a fire blazing up or something like that.

Edit:

I remember hordes of fans saying (eh, ok, crying for a) that there should be a romance with Tali. And Bioware delivers, it seems. And some people still complain? Human nature, I'd guess...

Modifié par aries1001, 18 février 2010 - 07:12 .

[Velissia Fynold]

Honestly, I liked the ME1 scenes more; of course, in ME2 its nice that each romance has an own scene and not just changing char modells, but, I was disappointed that depending on who you romance, you get more or less romantic/sex/love. At least the amount of romantic/sex/love was the same in ME1 for each romance combination...

[aries1001]

As said, I think they're fine, the romance scenes for Mass Effect 2. It seems that Bioware decided to make the love scenes more connected to the love interest, e.g. Tali or Miranda. And to have them pan out differently for each character, maybe just like in real life..



The only problem I have (with the romance scenes) is the very annoying music...

[Segameister]

I'm sorry to see 1/2 of this discussion turn into vieled name calling / personality commentary or childish comments. I thought about this a bit more last night - look at it from a people perspective. While Fox's commentary is certainly negative rederick (spelling) that gets them lots of attention, there are many people who actually listen and believe what they say. If it means the listeners who take Fox's opinion to heart and don't bother to get more info and form their own opinions, it's fewer people who will even try the first Mass Effect. THAT is a huge loss, considering the quality of it.

I'd personally rather see it taken out and have more people play the two gems that are ME1 & 2 than have it the other way around.