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[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

Segameister wrote...

I'm sorry to see 1/2 of this discussion turn into vieled name calling / personality commentary or childish comments. I thought about this a bit more last night - look at it from a people perspective. While Fox's commentary is certainly negative rederick (spelling) that gets them lots of attention, there are many people who actually listen and believe what they say. If it means the listeners who take Fox's opinion to heart and don't bother to get more info and form their own opinions, it's fewer people who will even try the first Mass Effect. THAT is a huge loss, considering the quality of it.
I'd personally rather see it taken out and have more people play the two gems that are ME1 & 2 than have it the other way around.

I understand what you're saying, though I don't agree with it. What if the American anti gun lobby said ME1 portrayed poor gun responsibility? Would we have to karate every Geth into submission?

[AVornoff]

KrunkMasterB wrote...



No one is telling you what you need to see. and there were no "perfect pairs of perky nips" in ME1. Like people have been saying, there was little nudity. and as previously mentioned when Fox ran that thing against ME and then later saw the scene she said that she had seen more revealing episodes of Lost.

My point is that I don't need a sex scene in my game to feel mature. I don't care how TV-safe it is. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.



And if anyone wants to suggest that I'm just sexually repressed because I'm from the US, prepare to have that assumption curb-stomped. I had no problem whatsoever with the sex scene in the first Mass Effect. I had just hoped that more people would not need there to be a sex scene. That there is even less flesh on display in ME2 than there was in the first does not bother me. I like to think I still have enough of an imagination to fill in the gaps.

[ODST 3]

The sex scandal boosted sales, undoubtedly. They should put some nude asses in ME 3. In Dragon Age, when that **** Morrigan actually put a bra ON to have sex, I facepalmed.

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

AVornoff wrote...

KrunkMasterB wrote...

No one is telling you what you need to see. and there were no "perfect pairs of perky nips" in ME1. Like people have been saying, there was little nudity. and as previously mentioned when Fox ran that thing against ME and then later saw the scene she said that she had seen more revealing episodes of Lost.

My point is that I don't need a sex scene in my game to feel mature. I don't care how TV-safe it is. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

And if anyone wants to suggest that I'm just sexually repressed because I'm from the US, prepare to have that assumption curb-stomped. I had no problem whatsoever with the sex scene in the first Mass Effect. I had just hoped that more people would not need there to be a sex scene. That there is even less flesh on display in ME2 than there was in the first does not bother me. I like to think I still have enough of an imagination to fill in the gaps.

Seeing how the 'sex scene' in Mass Effect 1 wasn't even that, a bit of semi-nudity and really nothing else, it is really hard to call it as such.

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

ODST 3 wrote...

The sex scandal boosted sales, undoubtedly. They should put some nude asses in ME 3. In Dragon Age, when that **** Morrigan actually put a bra ON to have sex, I facepalmed.

Yes, that was so daft.

[ian528]

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...

Segameister wrote...

I'm sorry to see 1/2 of this discussion turn into vieled name calling / personality commentary or childish comments. I thought about this a bit more last night - look at it from a people perspective. While Fox's commentary is certainly negative rederick (spelling) that gets them lots of attention, there are many people who actually listen and believe what they say. If it means the listeners who take Fox's opinion to heart and don't bother to get more info and form their own opinions, it's fewer people who will even try the first Mass Effect. THAT is a huge loss, considering the quality of it.
I'd personally rather see it taken out and have more people play the two gems that are ME1 & 2 than have it the other way around.

I understand what you're saying, though I don't agree with it. What if the American anti gun lobby said ME1 portrayed poor gun responsibility? Would we have to karate every Geth into submission?

I have already been quite vocal in how I feel about this.  And I think one point that you are overlooking is one I have raised about  the real maturity level and sexual content in this game.  In ME 1,  you had at most 3 relationships and 2 that would end in some sort of romantic liaison.  There was some sexual discussion of Asari and how they could mate with any species.  This was all handled relatively well.  I found it to be very adult and actually tame.  They ended with a tame but tasteful love scene.

ME 2 has way more sexual content.  Listen to the game.  There are conversations happening that are there to really titillate. It is a far more graphic game in many ways.  One character female character goes around effectively topless for the entire game while the other wears a suit that is not armor in any sense.  I know what Miranda would look like naked  because she is effectively naked the entire game.  You can even buy a porn mag at Omega.  And the ending for this titillation is a love scene with the nudity removed.

It is not that I am looking for porn.  I have a computer and rule 34.  I want the same level of sexual maturity shown by Bioware in the first game.  It was a well done love scene that had some nudity and seemed to respect all the characters involved.  I am invested in the characters and with an M rated game they should not fear an R rated sex scene.  Games are entertainment.  Total exclusion of nudity is odd as it is part of being human.

[Jimbe2693]

It's all the media's fault and snobs who think sex is worse than mindless killing.

[VanTesla]

I want it to be hardcore M rated like harcore R rated movies like Bruno!

Spoiler....

Nothing like seeing your first talking penis in a movie....

Modifié par VanTesla, 18 février 2010 - 08:17 .

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

Jimbe2693 wrote...

It's all the media's fault and snobs who think sex is worse than mindless killing.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

VanTesla wrote...

I want it to be hardcore M rated like harcore R rated movies like Bruno!

Spoiler....

Nothing like seeing your first talking penis in a movie....

Yeah, I can see how that would be....different, lets hope we never see a nude Krogan!!

[KidChrono]

For a humorous look at this topic, try watching the latest Zero Punctuation review for Mass Effect 2...

http://www.escapistm...1-Mass-Effect-2

Modifié par KidChrono, 18 février 2010 - 08:24 .

[AVornoff]

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...

Seeing how the 'sex scene' in Mass Effect 1 wasn't even that, a bit of semi-nudity and really nothing else, it is really hard to call it as such.

Two words: splitting hairs.

[exboomer]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

I don't really think nudity is needed in the game. If you really want nudity I'm sure you can google some porn video and see all the XXX sex you want.

While I agree with that this IS a M rated game and what was done in ME was hardly provocative or lewd. As a senior gamer (over 50) I was actually taken aback and somewhat insulted by what they did in ME2 to the "romance" scene. If a game is rated M then little Johnny shouldn't be playing it and if his parents complain about any adult related scenes they need to answer to why they bought the game for him in the first place.

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

AVornoff wrote...

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...

Seeing how the 'sex scene' in Mass Effect 1 wasn't even that, a bit of semi-nudity and really nothing else, it is really hard to call it as such.

Two words: splitting hairs.

Can you say (15) rated game? I shouldn't have to split hairs.

[AVornoff]

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...
Can you say (15) rated game? I shouldn't have to split hairs.

You shouldn't because it has nothing to do with my point.  Just because it's a mature game doesn't automatically mean there needs to be flesh on display.  How am I not making that clear?

Modifié par AVornoff, 18 février 2010 - 08:30 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

Whats the point of romancing at all then?



ME1 was fine, this was the least of expectations i had involving love scenes. You have to be 17 in the US to buy the game and show ID (excluding online etc.), Bioware is not a parental baby sitter.

[Cloaking_Thane]

AVornoff wrote...

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...
Can you say (15) rated game? I shouldn't have to split hairs.

You shouldn't because it has nothing to do with my point.  Just because it's a mature game doesn't automatically mean there needs to be flesh on display.  How am I not making that clear?

Did you play ME1 though mate?

It was tastefully done and that is exactly what people are asking for.

At currently there is hardly a "reward" for the emotional investment put into the relationships

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

AVornoff wrote...

Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...
Can you say (15) rated game? I shouldn't have to split hairs.

You shouldn't because it has nothing to do with my point.  Just because it's a mature game doesn't automatically mean there needs to be flesh on display.  How am I not making that clear?

You're making yourself perfectly clear.

Though i'm presuming you don't have a problem with the wholesale slaughter of people, in graphic detail.

[AVornoff]

Did you play ME1 though mate?

It was tastefully done and that is exactly what people are asking for.

At currently there is hardly a "reward" for the emotional investment put into the relationships

I just said before, yes, I did play through the first game and have no issues with the sex scene therein.  It was tasteful, I never disputed that.

What I am arguing is that we shouldn't need it to be a sex scene.  Why do we need irrefutable proof that boning occured?  Why does it have to show us flesh for the scene to be good?

[SkullandBonesmember]

A peck on the cheek will suffice just fine for Shepard.

[Cloaking_Thane]

AVornoff wrote...

Did you play ME1 though mate?

It was tastefully done and that is exactly what people are asking for.

At currently there is hardly a "reward" for the emotional investment put into the relationships

I just said before, yes, I did play through the first game and have no issues with the sex scene therein.  It was tasteful, I never disputed that.

What I am arguing is that we shouldn't need it to be a sex scene.  Why do we need irrefutable proof that boning occured?  Why does it have to show us flesh for the scene to be good?

Why not? I could pose the exact same question to you.

We are emotional and visceral animals at our core. The game is rated mature whether you like it or not. W/ that mature label we got more drinking, dancing, tighter clothes, etc etc., and the ending is a peck on the cheek or bra dance?

Get out of here w/ that nonsense, its not even ME1 standards.
You usually dont take a leap backward after having great innovations, you arent still typing on a 1997 computer are you?

They showed us something great and meaningful at the end of the romance in the first game, then took it away and replaced it w/ something less emotional and visceral.

You Snipe mercinaries w/o regard, kill other living beings w/ no remorse, throw down drink in omega and Illium, tip strippers, interrupt bachelor parties............
But kiss your LI on the cheek......

No it isn't necessary per se, but it was a let down.

Modifié par Cloaking_Thane, 18 février 2010 - 09:09 .

[Oranet]

May I point out, that Fox News, the government, nor Bunky the Wonder Clown pay their hard earned money to buy games. Customers do. Ignoring and insulting the buying public is the first step to losing their interest and loyality in your product no matter how good it may or may not be.



I really don't care one way or the other about nudity or sex in a game. How about doing the 'woohoo' scene from EA's The Sims series with Shep and his/her LI in place of something tasteful? You could even have the floating hearts effect to make it more realistic! (chuckle) That might make everyone happy, especially EA.

[AVornoff]

You're making yourself perfectly clear.

Though i'm presuming you don't have a problem with the wholesale slaughter of people, in graphic detail.

Apples and oranges.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Oranet wrote...

I really don't care one way or the other about nudity or sex in a game. How about doing the 'woohoo' scene from EA's The Sims series with Shep and his/her LI in place of something tasteful? You could even have the floating hearts effect to make it more realistic! (chuckle) That might make everyone happy, especially EA.

Yeah, cause really ignorant people encourage RPG fans to play the Sims. Sims is JUST AS immersive as Mass Effect, if not more.

[AVornoff]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Why not? I could pose the exact same question to you.

That's the thing.  They could have presented it either way, and as long as it maintained Bioware's high standard of writing, I would have been perfectly happy.  Why can't I have both?  Why do I have to pick one over the other?  Can't I just enjoy them both for what they are?