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[Costin_Razvan]

Monstruo696 wrote...

Get over yourself, this isn't a dating-sim.

If you are fine with romance scenes as they are, then good for you. Don't bash people who feel unsatisfied with them though.

[Prophet of Rage]

MilkyMoor wrote...
Tali literally tells you that she trusts you enough to follow you into Cerberus (an organisation she despises), work with a Geth and - ultimately - risk death, she confides in Shepard at multiple points and then, later, Tali comes up to Shepard's quarters and removes her mask. The emotions are there, it is an amazing display of intimacy. In Tali's case, removing the rest of the suit serves no purpose except the aforementioned excuse for nudity.

and THIS is what makes the Tali scene the best romance scene in the game (Garrus was good too).

Emotional Tali --> cuteness ensues --> fade to black --> D'AAAAAAWWW

Good formula.



I still think Bioware did a better job in ME1, just because it was all artsy and whatnot, but whatever.

[leeboi2]

I R GUNZ GIEF SAMARA SMEX IN HUR SLEP! GIEF UZ THIS SEEN IN DLC PL0X!

[Heliosas]

Bioware is moving things in the right direction but I doubt they want their games to be known as 'the ones with sex scenes'. Its going to take time for people and the media to adjust to the way the medium is developing. They are still stuck in the dark-ages thinking games are only for kids. Blindly letting little Jonny-snot-nose play GTAIV or ME and then crying about the content.



When the media actually start playing the games for themselves before making judgments, and when parents actually start reading the age restrictions on games and abide by them, then we will see games with more 'adult' content.



The scenes in ME2 were a bit tame but some of them were also quite sweet. The pay off is supposed to be more about the characters feelings/love than it is about sex. Bioware has to be careful. Go too far with the sex and they will be detracting from the story they've created..and that serves no-one.

[Lopake]

Honestly why WATCH them have sex?



We arent participating

[Toastysoul]

Lopake wrote...

Honestly why WATCH them have sex?

We arent participating

Maybe you misunderstood the term ROLE-PLAYING GAME? Besides, you're argument is invaliated by the hundreds of millions of people watching TV right now, espcially sports fans.

[Lopake]

I didnt mean to say there is something wrong with watching a sex scene but I dont understand why people feel its necessary for a game.

[rwilli80]

I didn't even realize how different the sex scenes where until I replayed ME1 you can't even compare the two. The first one was done artistically, where the second was more of a grindfest and dry humping thrown in at the last minute. Oh well just thought I'd throw my two cents it, doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

[Toxik King]

I only saw the Ashley ME1 scene. I thought it was boring and was just sum ass and sid bewb. Didn't really suit her character and it wasn't really emotional either (more one night standy). Also, I was sort of raped since I was picking the damned renegade options (thought I'd ****** her off or something) but nooooo, my guy still gets freaky without my consent. Just like the asari consort.

I only saw the Tali ME2 scene. I also thought it was sort of boring (not Bioware's fault, I'll find them all boring until there's explosions (THAT'D BE THE BEST SEX SCENE EVER)) but suited her character. It was all emotional and crap. Didn't even think about the whole face thing (except imagining Predator face, but everyone does that). I'll never understand why people want to see those characters nekkid (what I saw in the Tali thread scarred me) since I don't see how nudity makes it more emotional or anything. I know you guys are saying 2 naked people make some kind of connection or something, but I don't really think that works when your watching it on a TV...

[joltmajor]

I didn't read all 34 pages before this, so maybe this opinion has been expressed. I actually hold the exact opposite opinion of many of the posters in this thread. I have been chatting up a lot of the female characters in my play-through, and they all seem to construe my interest in their characters as a romantic interest. Can't I just talk to characters of the opposite sex and get the same type of interactions as I get with say Shepard and Grunt, or Shepard and Garrus? Why is it that any kind of interaction with the opposite sex has to end up as a romantic interaction. It makes the game feel remarkably immature. With both Miranda and Jack for example I was just trying to have a positive relationship, but suddenly I find myself in a semi-intimiate situation with both of them which I then have to bluntly cut short, which cuts of any meaningful future dialog with the characters.



I hope Mass Effect 3 doesn't have this kind of immature interaction that seems like it is catering towards the standard internet nerd-virgin. That said I really like the character interaction with Shepard and Grunt, but I also like Krogan, they rock.

[ElrondDragon]

The game is rated as 17+ so I do not see why would nudity be a problem.

Actually there should be much more of it than in ME1

[bio_fan1]

The scenes in ME1 were beautiful LOVE scenes.



The scenes in ME 2 looked stiff, awkward (characters look just silly in their full outfits cuddling in bed) and are a definite step backwards for the series, in my opinion.



***Even a simple shot from the the shoulder or neck up (only a suggestion of nudity), where the two characters embrace, then the camera pans away and ends, would have been better than the scenes in ME2.



Seriously, if ME2 scenes were strictly an artistic choice, I think it was a poor one, as far as creating an immersive and engaging game experience.

[addiction21]

Could they have been done better? Sure.

Does that mean they need to include nudity to do it? No.

Nudity or even a love making scene does not make it better. Its the writing and the lead up to it that matters. The emotions that it can stir in you that makes a romance interesting.

Even that is done rather poorly in both games. Pick the flirty option a few times, dismiss anyone else that happens to be interested in, and then go past the point of no return for a silly scene.

The only people that will comment on the "relationship" is any other potential LI and you have to have shown some sort of interest in them for that to happen. LIttle to no extra dialogue and no extra scenes or changes in them.

First playthru of mine it was Miranda ***A little bit of a spoiler*** (that is if you some how missed that squad members can die on the suicide mission) and she dies. Shep does not shed a tear or make some cheesy comment like "I will miss you my dear" )I am no writer. Proven by my bad spelling and grammer I am sure) hell he even checks on Legion to see if he was crushed first.

***End of the terribly small spoiler***

Hell even your LI from the first game (if they survived) does little to nothing different. Maybe a extra line of dialogue, a kiss, a email and a picture. Really now?

Why not let me take Miranda to a nice dinner while on Illum or go watch some bloodshed at the Varren pits with jack? Maybe get some drinks at a bar with Garrus.

Speaking of which I am getting yelled at because I need to play this pool game and I am just rambling on at this point. (gotta love the technology that lets you ramble on a forum while being out at the bar for a pool tourney)

[Bob5312]

bio_fan1 wrote...

Seriously, if ME2 scenes were strictly an artistic choice, I think it was a poor one, as far as creating an immersive and engaging game experience.

Fair enough.  But I think when BioWare said it was an "artistic choice" they meant that in the time it took them to do one pre-rendered scene for the first game they could do six individual scenes in-engine for the second game.  Each scene is personal to the particular LI you chose.

I appreciated the change, personally, but I can understand why some people feel a bit let down.  It's like hearing the *bleeps* on television when a character swears; it ruins the immersion and feels patronizing.  The issue isn't that I really want to hear someone say "F*@#!"  So it is with the love scene; actually seeing the characters nude isn't the point.  But again, I prefer a scene with characterization than with partial nudity, so I think the ME2 approach was a step in the right direction (though this is just my opinion, of course).

[leeboi2]

Re open Chora's den full of strippers and asari bewbs!

[LadyLuminary]

General Stubbs wrote...

The ME1 sex scenes actually had a place in the game, they were well done and romantic.
The ME2 sex scenes make you wonder why they even bothered putting the time and money into making them.

^ This.

[Kelmen Wong]

When I spot the title, I expect to see pictures here, but instead found bunch of Texts...

[Torhagen]

LadyLuminary wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

The ME1 sex scenes actually had a place in the game, they were well done and romantic.
The ME2 sex scenes make you wonder why they even bothered putting the time and money into making them.

^ This.

exactly so please Bioware this is what want to be able to say after finishing ME3
"Like the ME1 sex scenes the ME3 scene actually had a place in the game, they were well done and romantic."

[Grizzly46]

Lonely_Fat_Guy wrote...

Aetas Mutuo wrote...

I remember when the first game was described by someone one Fox News as "Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas." That was over about 20 seconds of side-boob and a naked back with the butt framed out.
Everything else is more explicit in the second game, headshots, shooting people as they crawl to safety, language, slavery themes. Even the strip club is more explicit.
America, as a whole, is too sexually repressed and uptight. I don’t really care that the sex in ME2 is not more explicit. Having more explicit sex would not have made the story any better or worse for me. But it bothers me that the most likely reason it is less explicit then the first game is due to self-censorship because of the crap the conservative media put them through with ME1.

bingo!

its ok too see heads explode but the whole world goes too hell if you see a nipple?
this is really f'd up in america

Don't go there - I tried and got nothing but tons of exclamation marks and smilies thrown at me for mentioning the US in that kind of context...

[Grizzly46]

joltmajor wrote...

I didn't read all 34 pages before this, so maybe this opinion has been expressed. I actually hold the exact opposite opinion of many of the posters in this thread. I have been chatting up a lot of the female characters in my play-through, and they all seem to construe my interest in their characters as a romantic interest. Can't I just talk to characters of the opposite sex and get the same type of interactions as I get with say Shepard and Grunt, or Shepard and Garrus? Why is it that any kind of interaction with the opposite sex has to end up as a romantic interaction. It makes the game feel remarkably immature. With both Miranda and Jack for example I was just trying to have a positive relationship, but suddenly I find myself in a semi-intimiate situation with both of them which I then have to bluntly cut short, which cuts of any meaningful future dialog with the characters.

I hope Mass Effect 3 doesn't have this kind of immature interaction that seems like it is catering towards the standard internet nerd-virgin. That said I really like the character interaction with Shepard and Grunt, but I also like Krogan, they rock.

I fully agree. I found it quite frustrating that I couldn't talk to Jack which I had no intention whatsoever of romancing but who I saw as a very interesting person to be friends with. But that option is not an option, and neither is ANY of the remaining LI's you don't want (apart from the PC heterosexual people with the same gender as Shepard of course).

That doesn't take away from the fact that the sex scenes (which is what we discuss) were too cheap, too meh and simply put, not in the game, as opposed to the ones in ME1. And no, I do not want porn or full frontal - but I want immersion in what I/Shepard is doing, be it saving the galaxy or trying to get Miranda out of the spandex suit...

[Kalfear]

Lopake wrote...

I didnt mean to say there is something wrong with watching a sex scene but I dont understand why people feel its necessary for a game.

If you not looking for immersion of understand what it is, you will never be disappointed.

Persoanlly, I love immersion, be it a greatly written book, a well directed love scene that captures your emotions, or yes, a well produced love scene in a video game!

Love scene just one of many immersive type situations but in effect its EMOTIONS. All people asking is that Bioware (or any developer) play on those emotions and magnify them. Be it the desire to seek revenge on someone thats wronged you, be it the desire to protect someone you feel a connection to (fictional sibling, child, parent, who ever), or be it YOUR CHARACTER involved in a romantic love scene!

Tell me, would you say its ok if Bioware in ME1 had you chase Saren all over the universe, watched him commit genocide, destory innocent people, attack the citidel and when after 45 hours of playing the game with the ONE GOAL IN MIND OF CATCHING AND PUNISHING SAREN

you finally meet him face to face
he draws his weapon
you draw your weapon
the music hits a climax

*fade to black*

next scene is you standing on the destroyed citidel picking the new human advisor 

For may people, the love scene is the emotional pay for a game long romance as the final conflict with your sworn enemy is for a shooter fan.

Would you really be ok if they cut to black, not allowing you to see your final conflict take place?
Or
Woukd you really be ok if giant granny panties chat boxes appeared covering every weapon hit with POW, BAMM, BANG, POOF (eliminating all violence and blood from the final combat scene).

Role players simply want a logical and tasteful completion to their romances like any other player gets in the action side of game. 

[Prophet of Rage]

LadyLuminary wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

The ME1 sex scenes actually had a place in the game, they were well done and romantic.
The ME2 sex scenes make you wonder why they even bothered putting the time and money into making them.

^ This.

^^ This.

[Massadonious1]

You mean the same recut ME1 scene that played out no matter who you romanced?



ME2's scenes may have lacked skin, but at least they were unique.