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[Locane256]

I have to admit that I felt like Bioware was bending over for media pressure when I saw how tame the sex scenes were.



It's rated M, people. Don't give it to your kids if it's rated M.

[ian528]

Ryzaki wrote...

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

The devs don't want to add nudity. Mod it or don't buy it, just don't expect Bioware to add something to their game that they don't want just for the titillation of some of their audience.
The game could have featured nudity without being attacked publicly, particularly after the embarrassment Fox news sufferred the last time. ME2 doesn't lack nudity to avoid controversy or because the devs and writers are scared - they simply don't want to add it!

It is far too late for that. Between the strippers, Miranda and Samara's ridculous outfits and Jack there's all the titillation any pubscent boy would want in this game. >_> 

What we're asking for is some adult and actual *mature*, not this 16 year old boy wanting to drool over hott girl nonsense, nudity.

I find it particularly hilarious that Samara's boobs actually seem to be clean enough not to be in a full containment suit when on board the Migrant Fleet.  This caused my girlfriend to ask, "So boobs don't have germs or Quarians like them so much they would rather risk death then cover them?"  

A mature adult ending to the romantic portion of the game is what is really being sought here.  

[dynas2001]

i am fine with whatever, but I have to admit i prefered ME1's love story. I prefer the characters in me2 allot more though.

[addiction21]

Soverain wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

It's kinda funny that this topic keeps coming up over and over again. People who claim to be old enough and mature enough to handle sex and nudity in a game seem to believe that any lack of sex and nudity in the game is a sign of self-censorship. They generally don't believe that a game can be called "mature" without explicit sex and/or nudity.

Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it. We have never considered it a "problem," it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice.

YOU are making games for us THE PLAYERS, WE who spend our money to buy your games, just remeber videos game companies like any business have to cater to the market majority, i paid my money for mass effect two and i hope to see some nudity in mass effect 3 which i will also buy.

I do hope your not the majority out there who buy games hoping to see some nudity just for nuditys sake.

Maybe you ment that you want to see some tastefull nudity in the places it belongs and fits into. If that is the case then I am sorry for misunderstanding you.

[Kalfear]

addiction21 wrote...

Soverain wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

It's kinda funny that this topic keeps coming up over and over again. People who claim to be old enough and mature enough to handle sex and nudity in a game seem to believe that any lack of sex and nudity in the game is a sign of self-censorship. They generally don't believe that a game can be called "mature" without explicit sex and/or nudity.

Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it. We have never considered it a "problem," it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice.

YOU are making games for us THE PLAYERS, WE who spend our money to buy your games, just remeber videos game companies like any business have to cater to the market majority, i paid my money for mass effect two and i hope to see some nudity in mass effect 3 which i will also buy.

I do hope your not the majority out there who buy games hoping to see some nudity just for nuditys sake.

Maybe you ment that you want to see some tastefull nudity in the places it belongs and fits into. If that is the case then I am sorry for misunderstanding you.

nm

Modifié par Kalfear, 22 février 2010 - 08:11 .

[Grizzly46]

ian528 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

The devs don't want to add nudity. Mod it or don't buy it, just don't expect Bioware to add something to their game that they don't want just for the titillation of some of their audience.
The game could have featured nudity without being attacked publicly, particularly after the embarrassment Fox news sufferred the last time. ME2 doesn't lack nudity to avoid controversy or because the devs and writers are scared - they simply don't want to add it!

It is far too late for that. Between the strippers, Miranda and Samara's ridculous outfits and Jack there's all the titillation any pubscent boy would want in this game. >_> 

What we're asking for is some adult and actual *mature*, not this 16 year old boy wanting to drool over hott girl nonsense, nudity.

I find it particularly hilarious that Samara's boobs actually seem to be clean enough not to be in a full containment suit when on board the Migrant Fleet.  This caused my girlfriend to ask, "So boobs don't have germs or Quarians like them so much they would rather risk death then cover them?"  

A mature adult ending to the romantic portion of the game is what is really being sought here.  

Oh for the... That is more of a question about the overall shortage of character models than the actual mindset of the quarians. We could ask ourselves "how does a quarian get pregnant if she can't be with others just like that; how does a quarian use the bathroom, or what would happen if a quarian would need open surgery?" Nothing of that has been answered. That Samara can show half her lovelies on both the Migrant Fleet and the collector ship has nothing to do with it - it is just a very blatant lack of full suit models that shows itself.

[Ryzaki]

^So they can handle fetish fuel and the like but not tasteful actually in place nudity? Really?

[ian528]

Ryzaki wrote...

^So they can handle fetish fuel and the like but not tasteful actually in place nudity? Really?

Apparently.  And I wonder if its just me but in ME1 everyone had reasonable boob size, Miranda and Samara in ME2 could possibly knock someone out with those.

[Ryzaki]

ian528 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

^So they can handle fetish fuel and the like but not tasteful actually in place nudity? Really?

Apparently.  And I wonder if its just me but in ME1 everyone had reasonable boob size, Miranda and Samara in ME2 could possibly knock someone out with those.

Let's not mention the retardation of RUNNING AROUND IN COMBAT in bloody STILETTOS. Like REALLY? Honestly BioWare has anyone  who made that decision actually run around in heels? Let me tell you its not pleasant and most wouldn't choose to voluntarily run around fighting in them. >_< Not to mention having a giant HIT ME target because you happen to want to show off cleavage. <_< That goes for Thane too actually. I like fetish fuel as much as the next person but for pete's sake atleast put some armor on during combat.  I can't believe anyone would be foolish enough (unless they happen to be sneaking around) wearing latex and heels (and honestly who sneaks around in heels?  ) 

ME1 they looked like soldiers in ME2 I don't know what the hell is going on. "Biotic barrier" can only go so far. And honestly wouldn't one prefer armor JUST in case something happened? Or am I just being ridculous? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2010 - 09:06 .

[LegatusI]

I vote yes for the more detailed sex scenes, and add more (female) body types.

I like playing a game where "my pc" can feel sexual atraction for other characters, it make me feel more immersed in game.

[Grizzly46]

Ryzaki wrote...

ian528 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

^So they can handle fetish fuel and the like but not tasteful actually in place nudity? Really?

Apparently.  And I wonder if its just me but in ME1 everyone had reasonable boob size, Miranda and Samara in ME2 could possibly knock someone out with those.

Let's not mention the retardation of RUNNING AROUND IN COMBAT in bloody STILETTOS. Like REALLY? Honestly BioWare has anyone  who made that decision actually run around in heels? Let me tell you its not pleasant and most wouldn't choose to voluntarily run around fighting in them. >_< Not to mention having a giant HIT ME target because you happen to want to show off cleavage. <_< That goes for Thane too actually. I like fetish fuel as much as the next person but for pete's sake atleast put some armor on during combat.  I can't believe anyone would be foolish enough (unless they happen to be sneaking around) wearing latex and heels (and honestly who sneaks around in heels?  ) 

ME1 they looked like soldiers in ME2 I don't know what the hell is going on. "Biotic barrier" can only go so far. And honestly wouldn't one prefer armor JUST in case something happened? Or am I just being ridculous? 

Again, the clothing of the characters during combat or in high-risk environments has nothing to do with how they would dress "in reality" - it is a lack of suitable character models that reveals itself. I agree that ME1 handled this much better. As good as the models themselves are (apart from selected parts of especially Miranda) they are a bit cheated on - our glass bone pilot is just as bulky as Jacob; any alien apart from the ones using human body models only have three fingers on each hand; there are no variations in the bodies whatsoever of anybody from any species (no skinny or fat people for example) and so on.

This is just because it simplifies things - life in computer games is digital, not analogue, which means an enemy will continue to fight just as well when at 1% hit points as when on 100%. A person down to that much "life" would have given up, fled or just lied down to die. It is much simpler to handle things like this, and sometimes simplicity is good, and sometimes it goes bad or ugly - as in the lack of character models.

[Scandigeek]

Stanley Woo wrote...

It's kinda funny that this topic keeps coming up over and over again. People who claim to be old enough and mature enough to handle sex and nudity in a game seem to believe that any lack of sex and nudity in the game is a sign of self-censorship. They generally don't believe that a game can be called "mature" without explicit sex and/or nudity.

Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it. We have never considered it a "problem," it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice.

Except as soverain pointed out, this is a form of entertainment, and entertainment has to cater to the masses or you don't stay in business very long.

The underwear sex in Dragon Age just looked silly.  And when you town done the nudity from one game to the next I think a few people are going to notice.  People expect the same kind of thing or a step forward in a sequel, so naturally there going to be a little dissapointed when a sequel takes a step back even if it is a minor one. 

I think a bigger dissapointment came from the pre sex scene with a certain npc in the game because it violated the reveal rule.  Though I won't go into detail about it because of the no spoilers clause. 

That said, I will still likely buy this when it becomes available for the PS3, as well as hopefully its prequel, nudity or no.

Modifié par Scandigeek, 23 février 2010 - 10:35 .

[Scandigeek]

See it's not so much about whether or not there's nudity in the game, I think you can make a successful game without it. It's when you have already established nudity in a successful franchise, that's what I think got people upset, if you weren't going to include nudity and sex in the sequel then why have it there in the first place?



Now I can understand if this is because the ERSB has suddenly decided that nude sex makes for an AO rating or some other nonsense, and you need to keep the game rated M at most in order to keep it on shelves of certain retailers. But that doesn't seem to be the case....

[shnellegaming]

I could care less about the nudity. I just want more snuggles, kisses and embraces.



On the technical side I understand why they did not have any nudity. They have so many romance options that creating nude models of the characters probably would take too much time. I mean they didn't even have enough time to render complete helmets for all the characters you think they would have time to do full nude bodies?

[MsKlaussen]

Scandigeek wrote...

See it's not so much about whether or not there's nudity in the game, I think you can make a successful game without it. It's when you have already established nudity in a successful franchise, that's what I think got people upset, if you weren't going to include nudity and sex in the sequel then why have it there in the first place?

Now I can understand if this is because the ERSB has suddenly decided that nude sex makes for an AO rating or some other nonsense, and you need to keep the game rated M at most in order to keep it on shelves of certain retailers. But that doesn't seem to be the case....

I tend to agree with you here in that nudity in and of itself is being incorrectly substituted for what most people really wanted to see, which is some semblance of a special relationship between love interest characters. It breaks immersion to not even acknowledge that the relationship existed face to face, or to shovel it under the metaphorical rug and try to get it out of the way.

I don't recall ever seeing an action-based  video game that started out with romance between characters being "dealbreaker" important to the story and ME is no exception here, so if it was put in in the first place it was put in for its own sake and possibly for what it lends to the overall story. That lets talk of it being a bother or needlessly discussed/irrelevant out of the conversation pretty quickly. It is there on purpose and not only that, but was a selling point and regarded by users as something which set it above the rest. So why act now (either the devs or the fans) as if it's something that gets on everyone's nerves?

As to some of what Mr. Woo has said regarding this subject, I have to agree that there has to be a direction decided by the developers as to how the story design must go, and they cannot allow themselves to be pulled in every direction purely on the whims of the customers. With that said, there is a precedent for the results of heavy leaning on "it's our game and we'll do what we want". It's called "3D Realms". Remember them?

Go where thou wilt, but of the path to indifference I say reign in your horse and take note of your compass. For that way lies certain doom.

Both sides have merit here. Bioware has tried very hard to bring everything that customers said they wanted into each game, and I think may have listened too hard to fans regarding such things as the Mako, the elevators, and the inventory system, all of which I heard fans whining about in earnest after ME1. To fans, be careful what you wish for. To Bioware, don't lose sight of what it means when customer opinions are in heavy rotation. It means we appreciate you, and we can't do without the things you've done right. To consider this vested interest, as well as the behavior by fans that they have an part in game creation, as a "negative", would be a mistake, imo. 

[leeboi2]

I WUNT 2 C ASARI PUREBLOOD BEING MAED!11ONEONE!1!!!1ONEONE!1!!!!11 And no just the EMBRACE ETERNITY stuff either :D But seriously a bit of nudity would be nice

[A Disgruntled C-Sec Officer]

Nudity in Mass Effect would just not work at all.



NO.

[yummysoap]

It's not necessarily that I didn't see some detailed T and A. It's that the dry humping looked f*cking ridiculous, especially after Mass Effect 1 handled it so well.



Plus, T and A is nice. Who agrees?

[mortons4ck]

EvilChani wrote...

crackseed wrote...

I actually prefer ME2's romances. I mean yeah the ME1 was very tasteful, but it's not required to enjoy the romantic interactions with your LI of choice. ME2 built it up better as you spend more time talking to them and the climax ties in to how the character is. No issues with Bioware's choice.

I agree. The sweet handholding with a particular character (anyone who did this one knows who I mean!) while your fem Shep and he discuss a long vacation once the mission is done was far more romantic than the wishy washy flirting with Kaidan pulled in ME1.

Seconded, the hand holding between male Shep and a certain LI spoke more to me than any tantilizing nudity scene ever could have. It just felt more emotionally satisfying.

[erik212]

Being such a relatively small part of the game with possibly huge real life consequences, I think we should just leave this up to Bioware's decision making. If they were able to put it into the first game, you know they have the potential to match it in the future...

[Kalfear]

erik212 wrote...

Being such a relatively small part of the game with possibly huge real life consequences, I think we should just leave this up to Bioware's decision making. If they were able to put it into the first game, you know they have the potential to match it in the future...

Err did you play the first game?

Did you read what this thread about?

Since the answer is no to the above 2 questions, why are you posting here?

Seriously, how many freaking times does it have to be said that if Bioware did in ME2 what they did in ME1, no one would have any issue.

Bioware DIDNT match what they did in ME1, they took HUGE steps backwards (as they did in DA:O).

Nerd rage but why cant people grasp this, Bioware didnt do or continue their stance from first game.

And what real life consequences? Have you seen Heavy Rain, have you seen Dantes Inferno? what real life consequence? You do know that you head exploding if you see a pixalated breast and nipple is a urban legend right? It doesnt actually happen! You will not go blind, You will not suddenly lose 300 IQ points and become a FPS/TPS fan. You will not grow hair in your palms (well YOU might but I suspect thats more about YOU then nudity/adult senario in a video game)!

WHAT REAL LIFE CONSEQUENCES?

Modifié par Kalfear, 24 février 2010 - 07:48 .

[Irx]

Nudity can be art. And it amazes me how many people here associate it with porn and complexes alone, calling it immature, lol - judging by personal standards, I presume?