on topic: i liked how it was in me2 though, but i hated what bioware did to morrigan in DAO... it was so unrealistic and total joke (please honey let me take off my superhot top and replace it with grandma's woolen bra)
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#926
Posté 24 février 2010 - 08:57
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Irxy, this is an American thing going on. You can have severed heads, people butchering children, but you daren't have some nipples
on topic: i liked how it was in me2 though, but i hated what bioware did to morrigan in DAO... it was so unrealistic and total joke (please honey let me take off my superhot top and replace it with grandma's woolen bra)
on topic: i liked how it was in me2 though, but i hated what bioware did to morrigan in DAO... it was so unrealistic and total joke (please honey let me take off my superhot top and replace it with grandma's woolen bra)
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#927
Posté 24 février 2010 - 09:53
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I take tasteful love scene's over nudity any day of the week. I play the game because it's a game first, and I want to be entertained. I was pleased with the ME1's love scene, and even though I've yet gotten to the same in ME2 (been playing Eve Online alot.. sorry BioWare!), I'm sure that it will be just fine.
I'm glad that BioWare stands by it's decisions and produces video games that have tasteful content. Not only that, but they are the most enjoyable games on the market to date. I still play Kotor for godsake. I did not like the love scene in Dragon Age, however, there was no other way to do that effectively and keep it tasteful in my opinion. Let's face it, modders have probably already modded it to the point where the immature clowns will get all they want.
At any rate, I'm pleased with BioWare and the way they handle love scenes and nudity. I think games should be games and entertainment pieces first and foremost. HBO and Showtime sex has no place in video games. If I want porn, I'll google it, or I'll go meet a nice girl and explore it that way.
I'm glad that BioWare stands by it's decisions and produces video games that have tasteful content. Not only that, but they are the most enjoyable games on the market to date. I still play Kotor for godsake. I did not like the love scene in Dragon Age, however, there was no other way to do that effectively and keep it tasteful in my opinion. Let's face it, modders have probably already modded it to the point where the immature clowns will get all they want.
At any rate, I'm pleased with BioWare and the way they handle love scenes and nudity. I think games should be games and entertainment pieces first and foremost. HBO and Showtime sex has no place in video games. If I want porn, I'll google it, or I'll go meet a nice girl and explore it that way.
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Posté 24 février 2010 - 02:12
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sorry guys, but here's just way too many posts to read them all, so forgive me, if I write something that's has been already written (read the topic 'till page 15 or so)...
But from What I read, many ppl are missing the point, or don't wanna admit the reasons just so they can past their post.
what I think is:
1.) no.. Nobody needs sex/nudity/whatever in the games. As you don't need them in the movies, books, magazines, but you still like them there, right.
2.) as many before me stated, nobody is calling for porn in the games, or even actual nudity for that matter. But fade to black after the kiss is just lame in mature game. We just hoped, that games are getting somewhere with ME1 and several other games that ware not afraid to go to that area. Mature rating gives a developers an oportunity to go where other games cannot. What I am trying to say is, that if Bioware wants to go there (and they obviously do), they better do it right or not do it at all.
Guys from Bioware showed us once, that they are able to do it right. That there's no need for nudity in order to make an outstanding romantic and full of emotions love scene. But for some reason, they chose not to.
About Dragon Age:
Love scenes there were good and bad at the same time. You saw passion between characters. you felt emotions "in the air". but then again, it's weird to "do it" through underpants. not mentioning that morrigan put ugly bra on just for the occasion of sex:D
Otherwise, the animations were good and scene were well done.
And for the point no sex in games as some stated. Why not? what's so different between movies, books and games? Can't help it, but some of your posts sound like from 10-20 years ago. Sex is very common topic and there's really no reason for it not to be in the games. Rate it "M" if you like, but sex can be often a detail that perfects the atmosphere.
P.S.: NOBODY'S SAYING THAT ME2 IS NOT A GOOD GAME! it's great RPG, outstanding game and nobody(or just very few) will say otherwise.
I am just pointing at one thing that i was a little bit disappointed about.
That's about it.
But from What I read, many ppl are missing the point, or don't wanna admit the reasons just so they can past their post.
what I think is:
1.) no.. Nobody needs sex/nudity/whatever in the games. As you don't need them in the movies, books, magazines, but you still like them there, right.
2.) as many before me stated, nobody is calling for porn in the games, or even actual nudity for that matter. But fade to black after the kiss is just lame in mature game. We just hoped, that games are getting somewhere with ME1 and several other games that ware not afraid to go to that area. Mature rating gives a developers an oportunity to go where other games cannot. What I am trying to say is, that if Bioware wants to go there (and they obviously do), they better do it right or not do it at all.
Guys from Bioware showed us once, that they are able to do it right. That there's no need for nudity in order to make an outstanding romantic and full of emotions love scene. But for some reason, they chose not to.
About Dragon Age:
Love scenes there were good and bad at the same time. You saw passion between characters. you felt emotions "in the air". but then again, it's weird to "do it" through underpants. not mentioning that morrigan put ugly bra on just for the occasion of sex:D
Otherwise, the animations were good and scene were well done.
And for the point no sex in games as some stated. Why not? what's so different between movies, books and games? Can't help it, but some of your posts sound like from 10-20 years ago. Sex is very common topic and there's really no reason for it not to be in the games. Rate it "M" if you like, but sex can be often a detail that perfects the atmosphere.
P.S.: NOBODY'S SAYING THAT ME2 IS NOT A GOOD GAME! it's great RPG, outstanding game and nobody(or just very few) will say otherwise.
I am just pointing at one thing that i was a little bit disappointed about.
That's about it.
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#929
Posté 24 février 2010 - 02:12
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dukem73 wrote...
Irxy, this is an American thing going on. You can have severed heads, people butchering children, but you daren't have some nipples
on topic: i liked how it was in me2 though, but i hated what bioware did to morrigan in DAO... it was so unrealistic and total joke (please honey let me take off my superhot top and replace it with grandma's woolen bra)
When I slammed this referring to it as an American thing I got a lot of flak - watch it buddy... I agree with you on the violence thing though, even if I haven't played Dragon Age.
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Posté 24 février 2010 - 02:30
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Grizzly46 wrote...
dukem73 wrote...
Irxy, this is an American thing going on. You can have severed heads, people butchering children, but you daren't have some nipples
on topic: i liked how it was in me2 though, but i hated what bioware did to morrigan in DAO... it was so unrealistic and total joke (please honey let me take off my superhot top and replace it with grandma's woolen bra)
When I slammed this referring to it as an American thing I got a lot of flak - watch it buddy... I agree with you on the violence thing though, even if I haven't played Dragon Age.
No you got slammed for saying ALL americans fell under the same umbrella. <_<
#931
Posté 24 février 2010 - 02:32
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Grizzly46 wrote...
dukem73 wrote...
Irxy, this is an American thing going on. You can have severed heads, people butchering children, but you daren't have some nipples
on topic: i liked how it was in me2 though, but i hated what bioware did to morrigan in DAO... it was so unrealistic and total joke (please honey let me take off my superhot top and replace it with grandma's woolen bra)
When I slammed this referring to it as an American thing I got a lot of flak - watch it buddy... I agree with you on the violence thing though, even if I haven't played Dragon Age.
Well I do not think I am alone on this but I do not like to be grouped in with the crazies who get air time because people like to see crazy. I have traveled extensively and believe me The United States does not have a monopoly on crazy, stupid, or ignorance.
Many seem to like to point to that side and generalize us all because they are the loud attention seeking side but conviently forget about the rest of us whose voices are not as loud but are clearly felt. Think about this way, what has any of that loudness and crazy resulted in? Nothing. Theres still graphic violence and nudity allowed in games. We have not outright banned anything, Some have been censored a little but are you going to attack the entire population of Australia who do to some old foggies still pulling the strings have a longer and deeper history of censoring the hell out of the video games they allowed to be marketed there?
Sorry if it came off as a bit of a rant but many have really gotten tired of the whole "the American people are all stupid, the American people are all scared of some nudity, the Amercan people are prudes, the American people are the cause of all problems affecting the world today"
Maybe it was not intended as such and I apologize for the rant. It has just really gotten old. I doubt you like to be generalzied and sterotyped by a few loud nut jobs that just happen to live in your country.
Thats just my opinion tho and it might be wrong...
#932
Posté 24 février 2010 - 02:32
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Bioware lost its balls of steel under fear of losing publicity at the threat of lolfoxnews
but then they quickly realized that lolfoxnews is lolfoxnews, does anyone really care what they say?
the toned down rommance disappointed me, but bioware quickly fixed that in Dragon Age. I hope ME3 will be different
but then they quickly realized that lolfoxnews is lolfoxnews, does anyone really care what they say?
the toned down rommance disappointed me, but bioware quickly fixed that in Dragon Age. I hope ME3 will be different
#933
Posté 24 février 2010 - 02:36
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Vhyle wrote...
I take tasteful love scene's over nudity any day of the week. I play the game because it's a game first, and I want to be entertained. I was pleased with the ME1's love scene, and even though I've yet gotten to the same in ME2 (been playing Eve Online alot.. sorry BioWare!), I'm sure that it will be just fine.
I'm glad that BioWare stands by it's decisions and produces video games that have tasteful content. Not only that, but they are the most enjoyable games on the market to date. I still play Kotor for godsake. I did not like the love scene in Dragon Age, however, there was no other way to do that effectively and keep it tasteful in my opinion. Let's face it, modders have probably already modded it to the point where the immature clowns will get all they want.
At any rate, I'm pleased with BioWare and the way they handle love scenes and nudity. I think games should be games and entertainment pieces first and foremost. HBO and Showtime sex has no place in video games. If I want porn, I'll google it, or I'll go meet a nice girl and explore it that way.
So nudity is ok on television but not in video games? Why? They're both different forms of entertainment, there's no logical reason why nudity is acceptable in one medium and not the other.
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Posté 24 février 2010 - 04:08
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Ryzaki wrote...
Grizzly46 wrote...
dukem73 wrote...
Irxy, this is an American thing going on. You can have severed heads, people butchering children, but you daren't have some nipples
on topic: i liked how it was in me2 though, but i hated what bioware did to morrigan in DAO... it was so unrealistic and total joke (please honey let me take off my superhot top and replace it with grandma's woolen bra)
When I slammed this referring to it as an American thing I got a lot of flak - watch it buddy... I agree with you on the violence thing though, even if I haven't played Dragon Age.
No you got slammed for saying ALL americans fell under the same umbrella. <_<
And the difference between my 'Americans' and dukem73's 'American' is... ?
Nevermind. If it is such a sensitive spot for you honey, I won't touch it.
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Posté 24 février 2010 - 04:16
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Grizzly46 wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Grizzly46 wrote...
dukem73 wrote...
Irxy, this is an American thing going on. You can have severed heads, people butchering children, but you daren't have some nipples
on topic: i liked how it was in me2 though, but i hated what bioware did to morrigan in DAO... it was so unrealistic and total joke (please honey let me take off my superhot top and replace it with grandma's woolen bra)
When I slammed this referring to it as an American thing I got a lot of flak - watch it buddy... I agree with you on the violence thing though, even if I haven't played Dragon Age.
No you got slammed for saying ALL americans fell under the same umbrella. <_<
And the difference between my 'Americans' and dukem73's 'American' is... ?
Nevermind. If it is such a sensitive spot for you honey, I won't touch it.
Americans implies you're talking about the people as individuals. American simply means the country as a collective whole. IF you can't understand that there's no helping you. <_<
FYI: America as a whole isn't any more hypocritical than any other country. We just get blasted for it more becuase "haters gonna hate!"
#936
Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:16
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MsKlaussen wrote...
I tend to agree with you here in that nudity in and of itself is being incorrectly substituted for what most people really wanted to see, which is some semblance of a special relationship between love interest characters. It breaks immersion to not even acknowledge that the relationship existed face to face, or to shovel it under the metaphorical rug and try to get it out of the way.
I think the nudity does play a part in the intimacy of the moment though, most people don't have sex with there clothes on, they kind of get in the way. The exception is if you don't have time to take them off, or its too cold to take them off.
We're not looking for porno here, just the intimate moment. Having sex with your clothes on robs the moment of intimacy and turns in to 5 minute office quicky.
Have sex with your underwear on, and you might as well put on a Benny Hill Montage while your at it.
Now this didn't stop me from playing Dragon Age and enjoying the romances, then earning trophies for them, then bragging to one of my online friends how I nabbed "First Knight" before she did just to spite her.
Technical and time aspects for not doing it I can understand, business aspects for not doing it I can also understand.
But it still seems like a step back.
Also the non-reveal as I mentioned in my first post seems like a big "f you" moment to the fans.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 05:27
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Masticetobbacco wrote...
Bioware lost its balls of steel under fear of losing publicity at the threat of lolfoxnews
but then they quickly realized that lolfoxnews is lolfoxnews, does anyone really care what they say?
the toned down rommance disappointed me, but bioware quickly fixed that in Dragon Age. I hope ME3 will be different
If they did a cost benefit analysis and felt that keep the scenes in Mass Effect would hurt there overall sales, then you can't fault Bioware for removing it in the next game.
Remember that at the end of the day Bioware is still a business, and businesses are out to make profit.
Theres artistic integrity, and then there's keeping food on your table. Most people like being able to eat on a regular basis.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 07:06
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What is the purpose of a romance?
ME1 is all about stopping Sovereign by flying around the galaxy looking for clues on how to do it - that is the mission. On this particular military ship you command there are two creatures that WILL have a romantic interest for you - the only chance you have of getting out is to simply to refuse to speak with them, but then loosing some game value. I for one like talking to my team mates, party members, squaddies, whatever, but if I don't want to get wrapped up in a romance I do not want, I must loose some of that game value. If I don't feel like looking for someone's brother's lost ship, I can tell him no, and it'll be fine - I don't need to do that. But the romance is shoved down your throat no matter what. However, if you do pursue a romantic interest with a team member (ie open wide and swallow everything the devs put there), you do get a very nice, erotic and perfectly balanced scene where Shepard and the love interest joins in what romantics often say is the ultimate expression of love. Very beuatiful.
ME2 as all about stopping the collectors, and in doing so recruiting a team and keeping them calm through their loyalty missions. Just like in ME1 the romances are shoved down your throat again, but if the player is nice and swallows, he won't get much for it - the love scenes were simply not up to par.
The romance had nothing to do with the hunt for Saren or the collectors which were official goals with achievements for the humanity and the galaxy, but the romance and
the eventual score is more of a personal goal that Shepard might pursue
for his/her own interest - it is a human we are talking about, not a
sec mech.
ME1 is all about stopping Sovereign by flying around the galaxy looking for clues on how to do it - that is the mission. On this particular military ship you command there are two creatures that WILL have a romantic interest for you - the only chance you have of getting out is to simply to refuse to speak with them, but then loosing some game value. I for one like talking to my team mates, party members, squaddies, whatever, but if I don't want to get wrapped up in a romance I do not want, I must loose some of that game value. If I don't feel like looking for someone's brother's lost ship, I can tell him no, and it'll be fine - I don't need to do that. But the romance is shoved down your throat no matter what. However, if you do pursue a romantic interest with a team member (ie open wide and swallow everything the devs put there), you do get a very nice, erotic and perfectly balanced scene where Shepard and the love interest joins in what romantics often say is the ultimate expression of love. Very beuatiful.
ME2 as all about stopping the collectors, and in doing so recruiting a team and keeping them calm through their loyalty missions. Just like in ME1 the romances are shoved down your throat again, but if the player is nice and swallows, he won't get much for it - the love scenes were simply not up to par.
The romance had nothing to do with the hunt for Saren or the collectors which were official goals with achievements for the humanity and the galaxy, but the romance and
the eventual score is more of a personal goal that Shepard might pursue
for his/her own interest - it is a human we are talking about, not a
sec mech.
#939
Posté 25 février 2010 - 07:43
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but that way, there will never be "step forward" in the game industry. As somebody mentioned before, books did, movies just did it and now nobody even think about it and rating for it is 13-15+...
I think that game industry is big enough to make that stand.
I'm just saying, that be afraid to release the scene like in ME1 is absurd. Not even mentioning that ME is "M" game.
I think that game industry is big enough to make that stand.
I'm just saying, that be afraid to release the scene like in ME1 is absurd. Not even mentioning that ME is "M" game.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 08:16
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Seems this topic would have been better if titled Romance, Sex and Nudity. My opinion is that the relationships were downgraded and seemingly more visceral in nature. For instance, the main romantic theme in ME2 seems to be "Do someone a favor and you might get laid". The relationships between Shep and the LIs lacks complexity and honestly kind of makes Shepard seem like a lecherous creep (e.g. "I just want to get you into bed." -MaleShep to Miranda). Even the Tali romance (I know i'm gonna take some flak for this one) looks to be nothing more than a nervous girl getting to sleep with her hero.
In ME1 the relationship wasn't forced, but handled appropriately and beautifully so that when the love scene came(won't call it sex scene because the sex wasn't shown, but implied), any nudity just fit and didn't take anything away from the scene. If you are going to focus on the sex in the ME2 relationships and not the character connections/romance then you are cheapening the experience of the game and we, the players lose.
I'm not for or against the sex/nudity in the game, but don't throw cheap sex at us, take out the nudity, and call it an artistic choice.
In ME1 the relationship wasn't forced, but handled appropriately and beautifully so that when the love scene came(won't call it sex scene because the sex wasn't shown, but implied), any nudity just fit and didn't take anything away from the scene. If you are going to focus on the sex in the ME2 relationships and not the character connections/romance then you are cheapening the experience of the game and we, the players lose.
I'm not for or against the sex/nudity in the game, but don't throw cheap sex at us, take out the nudity, and call it an artistic choice.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 01:30
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ME1 scene got viewers emo, ME2 and DA:O got viewers LMAOing. Meh, guess its all entertainment.
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 02:37
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If you look at ME1 from a purely cinematic standpoint, the dialogue flowed into a logical progression towards Shepard having some sort of relationship with either Liara or Ashley (or Kaiden / Liara ) and the culimination of that progression (ie. the love scene) was rather tastefully done.
The various paramours in ME2 seem to be there for the sole purpose of unlocking an achievement, IMO. All of the female paramour storylines in ME2 have their unintentionally comedic (Kelly Chambers go-go dancing for me = HOT!) and tender moments (Tali's awkwardness was so endearing) but there's no real logic in the storyline why Shepard should grow close to any of those women to the point that he wants to sleep with one of them.
In the off chance that he does sleep with them, yeah, there should be some nudity so long as it is presented in a tasteful manner respectful of the situation. I don't find anything particularly offensive in the depiction of a loving act taking place between two people with intense feelings for one another.
I mean seriously, if you're about to go on a mission that could mean certain death, that is as good a time as any to get some loving in. You might not get a second chance.
Camera slowly pans towards the fishtank in the Captain's quarters before the scene transitions to the bridge and all that good stuff.
Personally, I think the cutscenes where Shepard already has an ME1 love interest that he / she remains faithful to are the best, Shepard smiles at the photo and then goes to check his / her weapons. That is the thought in his / her head that will carry Shepard to victory.
The various paramours in ME2 seem to be there for the sole purpose of unlocking an achievement, IMO. All of the female paramour storylines in ME2 have their unintentionally comedic (Kelly Chambers go-go dancing for me = HOT!) and tender moments (Tali's awkwardness was so endearing) but there's no real logic in the storyline why Shepard should grow close to any of those women to the point that he wants to sleep with one of them.
In the off chance that he does sleep with them, yeah, there should be some nudity so long as it is presented in a tasteful manner respectful of the situation. I don't find anything particularly offensive in the depiction of a loving act taking place between two people with intense feelings for one another.
I mean seriously, if you're about to go on a mission that could mean certain death, that is as good a time as any to get some loving in. You might not get a second chance.
Camera slowly pans towards the fishtank in the Captain's quarters before the scene transitions to the bridge and all that good stuff.
Personally, I think the cutscenes where Shepard already has an ME1 love interest that he / she remains faithful to are the best, Shepard smiles at the photo and then goes to check his / her weapons. That is the thought in his / her head that will carry Shepard to victory.
Modifié par Kid_SixXx, 25 février 2010 - 02:49 .
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 02:49
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Ok, having not read all the 38 pages... I'm sure this was done so they did not have to make a nude model for all the LI... After all, in ME1, they made a nude model for male and female, and that was that, recolor it when you get Liara. So 2 models, and they are used no matter who you had as a LI.
For ME2 however, everyone gets a diffrent 3D model for everyone. Miranda is not formed like a nude FemShep, Garius and Thane would require a big overhaul. Jacks pants are not removable, so they would need to make those. Tali, well, that would require a whole model.
A good high res model like that is a big investment, and if you are only going to use it once, and a player will on average only see 1 out of 7 of them. Thats a big investment with little return.
After watching them all, I get the impression that they did Miranda and Jacob first, saw the cost/time of just adding that topless model, and said, "OK, screw this, only grinding in current models from now on".
For ME2 however, everyone gets a diffrent 3D model for everyone. Miranda is not formed like a nude FemShep, Garius and Thane would require a big overhaul. Jacks pants are not removable, so they would need to make those. Tali, well, that would require a whole model.
A good high res model like that is a big investment, and if you are only going to use it once, and a player will on average only see 1 out of 7 of them. Thats a big investment with little return.
After watching them all, I get the impression that they did Miranda and Jacob first, saw the cost/time of just adding that topless model, and said, "OK, screw this, only grinding in current models from now on".
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 02:53
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Matshelge wrote...
Ok, having not read all the 38 pages... I'm sure this was done so they did not have to make a nude model for all the LI... After all, in ME1, they made a nude model for male and female, and that was that, recolor it when you get Liara. So 2 models, and they are used no matter who you had as a LI.
The thought had occurred to me about the omission of nudity due to the time investment for creating animations and cutscenes with characters of such varying body types.
There probably would've been tire fires set in major cities around the world if there had been a delay in the release schedule of the final game possibly without regard to the notion that it might have been for the inclusion of more boobies....
.... even though that might add to the replay value for some of our esteemed colleagues...
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Posté 25 février 2010 - 03:04
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Kid_SixXx wrote...
If you look at ME1 from a purely cinematic standpoint, the dialogue flowed into a logical progression towards Shepard having some sort of relationship with either Liara or Ashley (or Kaiden / Liara ) and the culimination of that progression (ie. the love scene) was rather tastefully done.
The various paramours in ME2 seem to be there for the sole purpose of unlocking an achievement, IMO. All of the female paramour storylines in ME2 have their unintentionally comedic (Kelly Chambers go-go dancing for me = HOT!) and tender moments (Tali's awkwardness was so endearing) but there's no real logic in the storyline why Shepard should grow close to any of those women to the point that he wants to sleep with one of them.
In the off chance that he does sleep with them, yeah, there should be some nudity so long as it is presented in a tasteful manner respectful of the situation. I don't find anything particularly offensive in the depiction of a loving act taking place between two people with intense feelings for one another.
I mean seriously, if you're about to go on a mission that could mean certain death, that is as good a time as any to get some loving in. You might not get a second chance.
Camera slowly pans towards the fishtank in the Captain's quarters before the scene transitions to the bridge and all that good stuff.
Personally, I think the cutscenes where Shepard already has an ME1 love interest are the best, Shepard smiles at the photo and then goes to check his / her weapons. That is the thought in his / her head that will carry Shepard to victory.
It also does not help that you seem to be able to progress multiple romances without the game calling you on it. This points to a couple of issues with the whole romance piece of the game.
1) Romancing characters has consequences. You need to have dynamic tension there. Miranda should confront you if you have had a quickie with Jack. Miranda, Jack, or Tali need to reference you spending time with the others. This would create more of a romance feel to the relationship and not just the one night stand that it seems to be.
2) The ability to really state that your characters heart belongs to someone else and still be able to learn more detail about the character and become their friend. It sometimes feels as if without the romancing the characters just don't want to talk to you. Thats all well and good but part of the immersion is talking to the characters. I categorically hated Kaiden in the first game. But I still found his back story to be interesting. Talking with characters has a point and should not be forgotten.
3)If you are going to have a romance. Have an artistically choreographed end. Yes each character was given their own special ending to that love story but it really did feel like a one night stand. Miranda or Jacob being the absolute worse in that respect.
4) Continue with the romance evenly from game to game. Those people who loved Kaiden/Ashley/Liara should get a romantic tie in. I think it would have been much more realistic if when you meet up with Ashley or Kaiden that they punch you first. You have been dead for 2 years and now show up with a hated enemy from the first game? That doesn't get a punch? My girlfriend would shoot me and then ask "Are you dead now?" if anything remotely similar happened. The Liara kiss is the most realistic but it is then quickly forgotten. She is fighting for you and that conversation is not completely clear the first time through. When I got it in my second run through it felt like I completely missed it in the first run through.
Just some of my thoughts on the ME 2 romances.
#946
Posté 25 février 2010 - 03:08
ian528
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I will remind you that there is a school of thought that said this game was ready to go in time for Christmas and they pushed it back so as not to compete with Dragon Age. So I am less believing it was a time issue.Kid_SixXx wrote...
Matshelge wrote...
Ok, having not read all the 38 pages... I'm sure this was done so they did not have to make a nude model for all the LI... After all, in ME1, they made a nude model for male and female, and that was that, recolor it when you get Liara. So 2 models, and they are used no matter who you had as a LI.
The thought had occurred to me about the omission of nudity due to the time investment for creating animations and cutscenes with characters of such varying body types.
There probably would've been tire fires set in major cities around the world if there had been a delay in the release schedule of the final game possibly without regard to the notion that it might have been for the inclusion of more boobies....
.... even though that might add to the replay value for some of our esteemed colleagues...
#947
Posté 25 février 2010 - 03:08
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why is this game rated +18???
nothing nude,no blood,nothing scary
this game is suitable for 12 yr olds
so can some dev plz explain me why there is +18 on the box???
nothing nude,no blood,nothing scary
this game is suitable for 12 yr olds
so can some dev plz explain me why there is +18 on the box???
#948
Posté 25 février 2010 - 03:12
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Jimmos wrote...
why is this game rated +18???
nothing nude,no blood,nothing scary
this game is suitable for 12 yr olds
so can some dev plz explain me why there is +18 on the box???
Language
Drug Reference
Sexual Content
Violence
Blood
Or so the box says. The blood is small and almost unoticable(wouldn't have seen it except for my slo-mo scope) and the Sexual Content . . . I saw worse on my mom's soap operas when I was a kid.
#949
Posté 25 février 2010 - 03:12
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The game is 18+???
Can't find anything much bad in it... some scenes near the end were a bit freaky, but i think i've seen worse in games.
That said, I don't think more sex or violence would have improved the game.
Can't find anything much bad in it... some scenes near the end were a bit freaky, but i think i've seen worse in games.
That said, I don't think more sex or violence would have improved the game.
#950
Posté 25 février 2010 - 03:15
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ian528 wrote...
I will remind you that there is a school of thought that said this game was ready to go in time for Christmas and they pushed it back so as not to compete with Dragon Age. So I am less believing it was a time issue.
Eh, two RPG's coming out at the same time is some geek's definition of heaven. I'm sure if anyone wanted to have both games at the same time, they'd have found a way. Especially at Christmas time when you could've gotten one game (or both) as presents and not have to have paid for either.
The problem would be which game to play first and which to place on the Pile of Shame for a month or two.
