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[Pinnatus]

Now I want to know when the hardcore sex with Bunky the Wonder Clown DLC will be released.

Yeah, now go try and scrub THAT out of your brain.

[Cancermeat]

I would rather have no sex scene at all rather seeing people roll around in their underwear.

[Master Smurf]

Kniri wrote...

Maybe my english is not good enough to understand all that's being said between the lines, but I think these scenes are really good in ME 1 and 2.

I ask myself, "what do these people want to see?" Where is your imagination? Do you really *must* see the latest detail? Do you want to make sure, they're really doing it?
And when is the point, that you would shut out some audience, when you are making love to your boy- or girlfriend? Don't you think, your Shepard has a right for privacy?

Yeah imagination is fine and helps in finalizing those scenes as there isnt much else but to imagine the result.
I am Shepard so I should be there.. no - Some would argue.

[SethSteiner]

@Kniri

I hear that imagination-"argument" often but it`s not about imagination. I read a book if I want to imaginate everything (and yes I really like to read). As I said before, it`s not about porn but showing more like other medias do to. And I hope you know the people in this game aren`t real. Privacy, that was funny.^^

[Cancermeat]

Most developers do not show nudity in their video games because if they did it would hurt their international sales ie China.

[Jackal904]

You know you could always just go watch some porn...

[rehlstadt]

Headshots...ok

Copious amounts of blood...ok,

Burn someone to ash...ok,

seeing a little more of your favorite alien dancer or crew member...no way?



I tend to agree with the original poster on this one, many of the responses against his argument have been immature and/or lacking in an substance. If people are so offended by a little nudity then just include an option in the game to turn it on or off, just like people who may not like all that blood and gore?

[xSHAD0WENx]

yes blood, gore and killing people we can deal with. but heaven for bid we have sex seances like in ME1.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

I do sort of dislike the lack of any sex and nudity in me2. as an adult game it hampers to the experience in a lot of ways.

Hell in the last month we've got two skin heavy games from foreign developers (Bayonetta, No More Heroes 2) with another, mature title on the horizon (Heavy Rain). Why is there a need to skirt the issue? (Plus: who wouldn't want to see what tali or garrus look like underneath the armor? at least out of morbid curiosity.)

it's not really about wish fulfillment as it's just a natural step for role playing in a game....unless you're a lonely 14 year old. even married people, male and female, enjoy romance and sex in their entertainment, be it movies or games.


the fact that the dragon age characters wear underwear during their sex scenes actually ends up undermining the impact of the scenes and turning them almost juvenile. it's not believable and actually becomes an undermining spectacle within the idea behind a romantic element.


the whole idea behind "artistic" nudity is that it represents honesty. being laid bare as if to say "This is all that I am." if you're not being honest with the audience then how are they supposed to be honest as a character?

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 05 février 2010 - 07:51 .

[yoda23]

Prioris wrote...

I'm not sure nudity or the lack thereof is really the complaint, it's that ME2 regressed from ME1 in its portrayal of the romance options. After a very tastefully rendered scene in ME1, we got a few kisses and a Sexy Discretion Shot in ME2. I think a lot of players at least wanted the same level of detail paid to the romances from game to game.

That said, I'm quite glad I stayed faithful to my ME1 love interest in my first playthrough. I think I, too, would have felt rather cheated, from an emotional perspective if nothing else. It's like the game is acknowledging that your replacement paramour is just that, a replacement, and a second-best option at that.

Funny, Shepherd had a steamy fling with Liara in ME1 and now she barely knows him (My Character) in ME2. I did not find any consistency at all. Maybe this is a bug for the Liara romance option?

[Ellestor]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it. We have never considered it a "problem," it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice.

A choice that was not significantly affected by the reception of Mass Effect in some circles? Really?

Without any offense intended, I hope you understand why it might be difficult to believe that, on the outside looking in. What, if you or anyone else are at liberty to say, made ME1 artistically better suited to non-explicit 'implied nudity' or 'implied sex' where applicable than ME2?

I'm not trying to be combative; I'm interested in the sudden change, especially since ME2 seemed to make a point of adding more profanity and violence.

Signed,
Bunky the Wonder Clown

Modifié par Ellestor, 05 février 2010 - 07:53 .

[SethSteiner]

@Cancermeat

I dont remember a single game which sales were hurt through nudity itself. Movies have also nudity and not since this decade but much more and sell well.

[joesk]

What? So the rumors were true?You mean there was sex in ME1? Damn, in 3 play throughs I missed it.



But hey, I still think the ME1 was near perfect play (PC version).I very rarely play a game more then once, heck its rare for me to even finish a game. So as long as it is a quality game, I don't think nudity/sex is a requirement, and as Bioware guy said, they make there own decision on this matter.



Now I am gonna have to go back and play ME1 again to see this supposed sex scene.

[SaranBlade]

Mass Effect is a video game, not a porno.

[SethSteiner]

Try and read this topic again. It`s not about porn... maybe someone should write that in big letters so even a blind could read it.

[CRISIS1717]

Oh please...

If it was really about maturity there would actually be romances in-game with no payoff except a relationship.

What we have in game is pickup lines, flirting and a payoff scene for the gamer.

What Stan says doesn't fit with what the game is, player and character interaction in terms of romance is akin to chatting up a girl in a bar and getting your leg over thats as romantic as it gets.

Lets not mislead ourselves about the maturity of the game, players want raunchy scenes and romance, in ME2 there is neither.

The only romantic part I saw was Shep looking at Liaras picture before the end.

[Ellestor]

Jackal904 wrote...

You know you could always just go watch some porn...

This would be an excellent suggestion if this was about getting off because you are lonely and sexually frustrated. However, it is not.

[Traumacrazy]

ima sucker for romance



i just want some tasteful romance scenes and if nudity makes it stronger then YES

[Traumacrazy]

Ellestor wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

You know you could always just go watch some porn...

This would be an excellent suggestion if this was about getting off because you are lonely and sexually frustrated. However, it is not.

that sounded depressing...lol

[MonkeyLungs]

Ellestor wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it. We have never considered it a "problem," it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice.

A choice that was not significantly affected by the reception of Mass Effect in some circles? Really?

Without any offense intended, I hope you understand why it might be difficult to believe that, on the outside looking in. What, if you or anyone else are at liberty to say, made ME1 artistically better suited to non-explicit 'implied nudity' or 'implied sex' where applicable than ME2?

I'm not trying to be combative; I'm interested in the sudden change, especially since ME2 seemed to make a point of adding more profanity and violence.

Signed,
Bunky the Wonder Clown

Stanley Woo can say whatever he wants. The fact that the 'love interest crescendo scenes' are so much more toned down and less mature/adult/realistic in ME2 and in DA:O, than they were in ME1 just simply speaks for itself. Whatever their reasons were, and they were NOT artistic reasons, they decided to cheese-ball the sexual encounter scenes for 2 games after they received some negative media attention for ME1.

We don't really need an explanation, the explanation is obvious.

[SinHound]

You know, I may complain about many things, but I have even greater respect for developers that can come in and say "No, **** you, it's our game," because that's how I'd react. Go Stan!

EDIT: That is not to say that I agree. To absolutely deny the need for improvement in any area is absolutely illogical. Nothing's perfect.

Modifié par SinHound, 05 février 2010 - 08:22 .

[Jamin101]

One thing ive noticed on this forum as opposed to others is no one seems to read the original post or if they do dont comprehend it. Its like that 45 page biotic thread, there were times i wanted to smash my macbook i was getting so mad at the stupidity. People just reposting the same response even though its been explained. While this thread isnt that extreme its getting there.



No one wants video game porn. No one wants a sex scene. No one wants nudity...although it would be a shocker, like the penis in gta 4: lost and damned.



In mass effect 1 you romance a character and at the end they kiss and its like a twenty second clip of them rolling around and a stomach, the equivilant of a sitcom or something implying sex. People just want a similar scene in the second cause it was more believable.



That said im not that far so cant judge the quality of the scene but understand the issue

[AtreiyaN7]

Well, as far as Thane goes - no, it wasn't cheesy - there was far more emotion in it than a lot of romance scenes that I've seen, and I liked that. As I've said before, I would not be averse to seeing more skin, but it's not really necessary if the emotional impact is there (and it was for me at any rate). Some of the suggestions aren't bad though - you could show more but not everything.

[Chromie]

Stanley Woo wrote...

It's kinda funny that this topic keeps coming up over and over again. People who claim to be old enough and mature enough to handle sex and nudity in a game seem to believe that any lack of sex and nudity in the game is a sign of self-censorship. They generally don't believe that a game can be called "mature" without explicit sex and/or nudity.

Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it. We have never considered it a "problem," it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice.

Bunky the Wonder Clown has touched me...

[EvilChani]

crackseed wrote...

I actually prefer ME2's romances. I mean yeah the ME1 was very tasteful, but it's not required to enjoy the romantic interactions with your LI of choice. ME2 built it up better as you spend more time talking to them and the climax ties in to how the character is. No issues with Bioware's choice.

I agree. The sweet handholding with a particular character (anyone who did this one knows who I mean!) while your fem Shep and he discuss a long vacation once the mission is done was far more romantic than the wishy washy flirting with Kaidan pulled in ME1. That goes double for the emotionally charged night with above referenced character versus the passionate love scene with Kaidan the night before all hell broke loose. Kaidan is on my sh-- list, by the way...bastard prefers my Shep dead to working with Cerberus, huh? Well, screw him!

I honestly think the best done romances were in Dragon Age. Even without the nice little love scenes with your characters in varying positions, it felt more...realistic. Alistair and his rose...Zevran and his earring...the smooching in front of people just for the hell of it...and the comments from the peanut gallery of companions about how the loud noises from your tent fill the air at night were both endearing and hilarious (really, an earring from a hit? that's too cute and kinda disturbing at the same time!).

I really wish Bioware had put as much into the relationships in ME2 as they did in DA, but I think there may be a payoff in ME3. I just hope there is a cure for Thane (preferably one that requires Shep to do something totally unethical, so it's not an "easy" choice) and that there is a dialogue option for me to tell Kaidan to get stuffed when he whines about me "cheating" on him. If not, I suppose there is always fanfiction...  *starts writing*