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[Eumerin]

Sabre120 wrote...

whereas Ashley/Kaiden have moved on, no trouble.

Dunno about Kaiden, but Ashley hasn't.  She was probably just about to finally manage to do so when you turned up on Horizon, and her e-mail suggests that the encounter has turned her into a bit of an emotional wreck.

She's VERY clear in indicating that she's praying you don't die again.

[cerberus1701]

tmp7704 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

As others have said: Crushes fade after two years. And it's not like she hasn't already met and worked with some studly Quarian men who would catch a girl's eye.

She truly just wants Shep.

Would say considering for all she knows Shepard is dead *and* it's not like she really knows him that close as a person, it's sort of infatuation that feels rather creepy and sad. An obsession with ideal she develops in her mind, not the real person; and she rejects forming regular relationship because of it.

Can see how it'd be right up the audience's alley, though.

As discussed elsewhere, she had known him plenty long. While I'm not quite sure if she left the Normandy 1 before the attack or after, the quest to get Saren took months. Plenty of time to know someone.

As for the rest, consider: There's someone you know and have grown to love.

They *might* feel the same way but you're too shy to ask just because you are and, even if you did, being intimate with this person would be... physically difficult. So you keep silent.

Then this person suddenly dies.

So now there's this gaping hole. I hate to go all Ashley and start quoting poetry but there is a bit that applies:

"Of all the words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: It might have been"

You could have told them and taken your chances. But you didn't. So what you call obessessive I just call a little....stuck. There's this unfinished business in her heart that can't quite be resolved. 

And it doesn't help that there was never a body. There was always a chance, no matter how small, that he was alive somehow. Somewhere.

Those combine in a not creepy at all (to me) way. She finds Shep alive and when the opportunity is there she takes her shot.

[cerberus1701]

Eumerin wrote...

SkywardDescent wrote...

Don't think a crush would last for two years after her crush's alleged death.

Yup.  Crushs tend to move on after a little while - they start intense but quickly fade.

And she doesn't appear to have been holding out hope that you survived, as she's clearly shocked to see you on Freedom's Progress (the game forces you to prove that you're you).

I would guess that most of the "crush" idea comes from Tali's generally flustered state whenever she starts talking about her relationship with you.  But I would argue that has more to do with the lousy way that the galaxy treats Quarians in general, and the way that attitude has affected her.


That's why the scene with the Quarian in the Citadel is such a good one - it does a perfect job of illustrating how badly most of the galaxy perceives Quarians.  You've got a Quarian falsely accused of pickpocketing merely because she happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and then once you clear her name you then have to deal with a C-Sec officer who starts looking for new reasons to write her up more or less "just because".  Meanwhile, she's reduced to living at the local Turian shelter and eating "paste" (evidently some form of cheap food, and not the classroom glue).

This as well. It's not a schoolgirl nervousness. It's...disbelief. Fear that it may not be true despite the fact that it's happening. She's a Quarian. A race considered by many to be the trash of the galaxy. In ME1, even she says the galaxy sees them as little better than thieves.

And they are hidden by masks, which makes other races distrust them even more.

Yet here's Shepard. Hero of the Alliance. Savior of the galaxy against impossible odds. His position in the galaxy is the antithesis of hers..... yet he wants her as much as she wants him.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO TALI

[Notho]

Dave the Seagull wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

No, my feelings with Wrex was a Crush... this is love.

... Did I say that out loud?

 "Shepard."
 "Wrex."

The sexual tension was too much to bare.

There might be more truth to this than you realise considering he's the only non-playable character from the first game who seemed genuinely happy to see you.

[monika26]

I think the relationship with Tali is serious. She's had feelings for Shepard for two years now, she also said Shepard was the only one she trusted enough to ever link environmental suits with. I think she does love Shepard. In fact, out of all the Mass Effect romances, I think Tali's is the most honest and sincere.

Modifié par monika26, 06 février 2010 - 04:22 .

[DirtyVagrant]

Tali even says that no one has seen her face, the fact she is willing to commit to something of that importance to a Quarian as well as risk illness sounds like her feelings are far deeper than some high school crush.

[ShadyKat]

She risks dying by being with you. How the hell is that a crush?

[wako58]

monika26 wrote...

I think the relationship with Tali is serious. She's had feelings for Shepard for two years now, she also said Shepard was the only one she trusted enough to ever link environmental suits with. I think she does love Shepard. In fact, out of all the Mass Effect romances, I think Tali's is the most honest and sincere.

She also was a member of your original crew and if you had a romance she knew exactly who that was and the nature of the that relationship.  Yet...she makes no acknowledgement of that and is quick to jump you with no regard for her former squad mate's relationship with you. Having a hard time here seeing the sincerity in that.

[this isnt my name]

Cant be a crush as she suggests that Shep may want to find someone else to be in a relationship with, dont know many crushes that have self sacrafice.

[cerberus1701]

wako58 wrote...

monika26 wrote...

I think the relationship with Tali is serious. She's had feelings for Shepard for two years now, she also said Shepard was the only one she trusted enough to ever link environmental suits with. I think she does love Shepard. In fact, out of all the Mass Effect romances, I think Tali's is the most honest and sincere.

She also was a member of your original crew and if you had a romance she knew exactly who that was and the nature of the that relationship.  Yet...she makes no acknowledgement of that and is quick to jump you with no regard for her former squad mate's relationship with you. Having a hard time here seeing the sincerity in that.

What allegiance did she owe the sqadmates who'd already written him off as dead and then blasted him for his current actions? Or behaving as though they barely had a relationship at all? Indeed, I doubt, with the Asari's philosophical and open nature to sex and love that it'd bother Liara that much.

Romance Liara and Ash in ME and you're forced to choose. One of the options is, "Can't I have you both?" Liara doesn't seem at all threatened by the notion. Ashley's the one that melts down.

Why shouldn't Tali take her shot? Besides, it takes two to do the horizontal mambo and Shep has numerous opportunities to put on the brakes.  

Modifié par cerberus1701, 06 février 2010 - 06:40 .

[Homebound]

john william wrote...

Did anyone sleep with her just to purposefully break her stupid heart? I did.

Im tired of your disengenious assertions.

[Eumerin]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Why shouldn't Tali take her shot? Besides, it takes two to do the horizontal mambo and Shep has numerous opportunities to put on the brakes.  

Quoted for emphasis.

Also, Tali flat out asks you at one point, making sure that you're not interested in someone else.  Sure, she doesn't name names.  But the question is phrased in a way that makes it perfectly clear that she's referring to (among other people) any earlier Normandy love interests.

[cdsmith0]

I pray that and Believe that it is more than a crush.  I really hope that in ME3 you can have a deep meaningful relationship with her character.

The reason I think it is more than a crush is because of the sweet and affection nature between her and shepherd.

[The_KFD_Case]

Lord Atlia wrote...

No, I find her character's infatuation to be more like Petyr Baelish's infatuation with Lady Stark (I'm hoping if I keep dropping A Song of Ice and Fire references in my post Bioware will give us a Sci-Fi or Fantasy political drama). If Shepard pursues another LI she will probably stay as a member of the crew of the Normandy (baring death) and watch Shepard from afar for the rest of either of their lives.

Ahh! Unrequited love...So bittersweet. While experience indicates that even unconditional love can be broken under the right (some might say wrong) circumstances, if it is very strong emotions that are involved they tend to linger even after one has accepted that things are over and will likely not be the same again.

I'm with the others who have pointed out that after a span of over 2 years Tali is still reminiscing about how she misses Shepard. Quite frankly I was very taken with Tali in ME1 though she was a bit too young at the time for the type of mature relationship we now see in ME2 to have worked. So, I learned to live with the fact that Tali couldn't be romanced in ME1 and pushed it deep to the back of my mind. So deeply in fact, that I didn't pick up on the little signs in ME2 until Kelly Chambers points it out. Guess my psyche did a grade A job of protecting me from potential further disappointment by not even letting the other parts of my mind pick up on the possibility of Tali being a romantic interest in ME2. I'm so glad she is though, and I don't think it's just a crush on her part - not any more.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 06 février 2010 - 01:29 .

[crimzontearz]

Sabre120 wrote...

The TRUE romances are in ME2, like someone said, Tali has stayed true and waited on Shepard for 2 years, whereas Ashley/Kaiden have moved on, no trouble. Liara is a different case, but Tali is the only one willing to give up a lot of her lifestyle for Shepard, hence it is love

this

and Liara can go shag her new drell friend whom she chose over me....Tali held my memory above every male member of her specie for two years....nuff said

[TheShady]

I just want to point out that, by information of all the logs during the quest of getting her, my female Shepard also was deeply missed by Tali.

So the "no crush because of 2 years" argument doesn't work as it's apparently dislodged from gender.

[Unato]

both thane and tali has the opposite gender voice acting in their sound files, it's just the opposite member seems kinda incomplete



doesn't really prove or disprove anything tbh

[The Quarian Sympathizer]

It's more than a crush. When you persue her, she tells you that she's been watching you. She explains that how could a young woman not be interested when a dashing commander allows her to join his team and go save the galaxy. Not to mention, she claims she never thought that Shepard would ever see her true self beyond the mask.



I'm pretty sure it has more meaning than a simple crush. Just my 2 cents.

[Gill Kaiser]

I like the way that Tali is the only character who wants to join with you immediately. If you ask her to join you on Freedom's Progress, she says "I want to, but I can't". So cute.

[aeetos21]

Tali is like a kid sister to me, the idea of getting it on with her is pretty weird. Add to the fact that she's never been with another person before and...



I remember my first "crush." Told the girl how I felt and well... it didn't work out. We were still friends but once that question had been popped we lost something. It was weird. Still I got over it in like a week so...



I guess I just wish that Tali would have had enough sense to see that I was happy with my current LI. I mean it's not like I was getting married or something and this was her last chance to tell me how she really felt. Oy... I think it was a "well thought out crush" that definitely had the potential to turn into something big. My Shepard just doesn't feel the same.

[The_KFD_Case]

TheShady wrote...

I just want to point out that, by information of all the logs during the quest of getting her, my female Shepard also was deeply missed by Tali.
So the "no crush because of 2 years" argument doesn't work as it's apparently dislodged from gender.

Ah but see that's the remarkable thing about what BioWare is successfully pulling off with the ME trilogy. Each player's journey through the games with their unique Shepard will result in their very own individual story. So if you play as a female Shepard then your comment above is valid since Tali does not appear to have been designed by BioWare to be a bi-sexual character. However, for those players who play a male Shepard the argument that 2 years of missing Shepard amounts to more than a crush, etc. is valid.

The two positions are not mutually  exclusive since they operate in two separate story arcs. BioWare really have outdone themselves on this occasion with a masterful megastructure of a story.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 06 février 2010 - 09:56 .

[The_KFD_Case]

wako58 wrote...

monika26 wrote...

I think the relationship with Tali is serious. She's had feelings for Shepard for two years now, she also said Shepard was the only one she trusted enough to ever link environmental suits with. I think she does love Shepard. In fact, out of all the Mass Effect romances, I think Tali's is the most honest and sincere.

She also was a member of your original crew and if you had a romance she knew exactly who that was and the nature of the that relationship.  Yet...she makes no acknowledgement of that and is quick to jump you with no regard for her former squad mate's relationship with you. Having a hard time here seeing the sincerity in that.

Not an unreasonable observation, IMO. However, bear in mind that Tali at no point "jumps on you" until after Shepard has confirmed that he shares the same feelings. This has to happen twice before Tali pounces on Shepard and that's only after Shepard initiates the removal of her mask and has a tender look/slight smile on his face when he sees her face for the first time. Add to that the fact that Tali repeatedly states that she understands if Shepard wants/needs to find something or someone closer to home although she would love for him to pick her. She puts herself way out there, all shields down and I would say it has to be either a cold heart or a lack of maturity for a person experiencing those scenes not to be touched by her voluntary vulnerability. Such acts are terrifying for many people and it's never easy but when reciprocated are very much worth it, IMO. To me that's nothing short of beautiful and screams of genuine sincerity.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 06 février 2010 - 10:15 .

[Mr Chr15topher]

I don't think that anyone would risk death for a one off, so I doubt it's just a crush. Quarians are scared to take of their enviro-suits when their still in the flotilla, with everything disinfenced. Tali wouldn't take the decision lightly.