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[TheGuv]

Frankly I think Garrus and Tali are the two most interesting relationships you can have in the game. Tali is the first character I haven't actually planned to romance in an RPG - she simply turned up and started acting in exactly the sort of way I thought would attract my version of Shepard. She just doesn't strike me as a gay girl though.



Garrus on the other hand. Reach and flexibility. That's all that needs to be said, really.



What's more, Shepard both male AND female doesn't really strike me as gay either. Liara was a fix.



It's not wrong for Bioware to write a character that isn't gay/lesbian. I say this as a bi guy too. I'm happy with Shepard being straight - it'd feel as wrong for him to be gay as it would for Bond to be gay.

[Monstruo696]

TheGuv wrote...

Frankly I think Garrus and Tali are the two most interesting relationships you can have in the game. Tali is the first character I haven't actually planned to romance in an RPG - she simply turned up and started acting in exactly the sort of way I thought would attract my version of Shepard. She just doesn't strike me as a gay girl though.

Garrus on the other hand. Reach and flexibility. That's all that needs to be said, really.

What's more, Shepard both male AND female doesn't really strike me as gay either. Liara was a fix.

It's not wrong for Bioware to write a character that isn't gay/lesbian. I say this as a bi guy too. I'm happy with Shepard being straight - it'd feel as wrong for him to be gay as it would for Bond to be gay.

What are you talking about?  It's obvious if the main character is not gay/bi, the writer is a homophobe Neo-****.

God.

[Kolaris8472]

TheGuv wrote...
It's not wrong for Bioware to write a character that isn't gay/lesbian. I say this as a bi guy too. I'm happy with Shepard being straight - it'd feel as wrong for him to be gay as it would for Bond to be gay.

So...being an either at-times naive do-gooder or a ruthless, merciless psychopath (again at times) is not as much "room to maneuver within the character" as whether they pursue a certain kind of relationship, some of which would go well beyond anything the terms gay or straight would hope to describe? 

I'd be fine with that explanation for the "Canon" Shephard they have going, but across the board...?

[WilliamShatner]

TheGuv wrote...

What's more, Shepard both male AND female doesn't really strike me as gay either. Liara was a fix.
 

Clearly you've never talked to Kelly as Female Shepard.

[sheridanmovieguy]

Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale usually record all romance dialogue, even for same sex party members. The kicker is whether or not the other voice actor does. In ME1 Jennifer Hale had the Ashley romance dialogue, but I'm pretty sure Kimberly Brooks had no dialogue that was FemShep specific, and if the mod was put she still refered to Shepard as male in a few places. I imagine the same is true for this. After all, I heard no lines from Tali that specifically related to FemShep.



It's likely that the devs just have Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale read everything, and decide who will gender specific later.

[Agent_Dark_]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Not all there. This was only an extension of the third conversation, Hale doesn't have any dialog recorded for the 4th or 5th conversation or the Cabin scene, unfortunately. At least that got shipped with the game. 

Though Femsheps also have a consult with Mordin on how to proceed with Tali which is in. 

Otherwise I'd have already modded it:pinched:

Butcher up some of femsheps' lines from another romance and add them in? 

[TheGuv]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

TheGuv wrote...
It's not wrong for Bioware to write a character that isn't gay/lesbian. I say this as a bi guy too. I'm happy with Shepard being straight - it'd feel as wrong for him to be gay as it would for Bond to be gay.

So...being an either at-times naive do-gooder or a ruthless, merciless psychopath (again at times) is not as much "room to maneuver within the character" as whether they pursue a certain kind of relationship, some of which would go well beyond anything the terms gay or straight would hope to describe? 

I'd be fine with that explanation for the "Canon" Shephard they have going, but across the board...?

Actually my paragon Shepard smashed someone into a wall for being a ****.

Pure paragon isn't a naive do-gooder.  He's just a nice, genuine guy.  The kind you'd actually want saving the galaxy - he isn't afraid to get his hands dirty either.  Renegade Shepard isn't a psychopath either.  Just very easily pissed off and willing to shoot first.

There really isn't as much room to manuever for Shepard as you think, either.  The dialogue has to mesh going between renegade and paragon, and you come away from each conversation with a very clear idea of what Shepard is.

I'm sorry, but he just does not strike me as gay.  To shoehorn it in for political correctness feels wrong.  I'm talking as someone whose big blonde haired paladin type character immediately started flirting with Zevran the moment he turned up in Dragon Age and genuinely tested to see if Alistair was gay (and when he wasn't, started a female character solely for that romance).

As for the Kelly thing with the female Shepards, I didn't know that.  I don't tend to play female Shepard too much - again, Mark Meer is Shepard to me as I've previously stated.

More importantly though, Tali does not strike me as gay either.

[Kolaris8472]

TheGuv wrote...
There really isn't as much room to manuever for Shepard as you think, either.  The dialogue has to mesh going between renegade and paragon, and you come away from each conversation with a very clear idea of what Shepard is. 

Well, sure...in one particular case. So you're basically arguing that your Shephard isn't gay, I'm obviously not going to argue that. But between multiple classes, multiple backgrounds, multiple psychological profiles, multiple genders, probably thousands of individual decisions...you think through all that the only thing that's constant is that Shephard is military, out to save the galaxy, and "straight"?

I'm sorry, but he just does not strike me as gay.  To shoehorn it in for political correctness feels wrong.

I certainly don't want anything shoehorned for people's personal interpretations of their characters, either...though if any of the characters were more explicit in defining their stances than Garrus and Tali were in ME1 that they were off-limits (as that's currently as far as the devs will go for fanservice), I'd give up on the spot. 

More importantly though, Tali does not strike me as gay either.

And you just said you haven't played through as a Femshep...sorry, I don't think you'd have a clear idea. After playing through either game I still don't think Tali would step out of her suit for a human in any case, male or female, I'm only arguing for this because its a poor-man's second to having decently fleshed out dialog, as that's out of the question once one side gets a romance involvement. 

[Revid Emit]

I'm in on the boat that Bioware is simply saving the "best" things for last in ME3, and one those is finally convincing Tali to swing for the other team.

[the120Truth]

after just listening to the dialouge all I can say is Tali is so adorable

[Mudzr]

It seems that Thane and Tali were planned for gay relationships...

Well I hope it's an option for ME3 but I was fine with the options in ME2, then again i'm straight so...



Also, for those who don't think Shepard is gay... ummm, I don't think shepard would *SPOILERS* be stupid enough to knock boots with a demon child that would kill him, but that's how other people choose to play the game.

Oh, and femshep can romance kelly anyway...

Maybe there will be a male version of kelly in ME3.

[KateKane]

God dammit

[sinosleep]

Um, I don't get it, all the dialogue post 7:30 is in the game.

[Taritu]

I know a lot of gay guys, and while some are obviously gay, and others you can figure if you have good gaydar, some you really never would guess. A good military man shouldn't be giving off clues anyway.



And bisexual girls, it really is not obvious in most cases. There are plenty of very Fem bisexual females. Usually they tend to go with men more, but they're willing to go with a woman if it's the right woman.



Tali qualifies in that regard.



Whether Tali's bi? Well, she sure seemed to be coming on to my Femshep at one point, and once you're over the alien hump, really, what's the big deal?

[Mordigan]

sheridanmovieguy wrote...

Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale usually record all romance dialogue, even for same sex party members. The kicker is whether or not the other voice actor does. In ME1 Jennifer Hale had the Ashley romance dialogue, but I'm pretty sure Kimberly Brooks had no dialogue that was FemShep specific, and if the mod was put she still refered to Shepard as male in a few places. I imagine the same is true for this. After all, I heard no lines from Tali that specifically related to FemShep.

It's likely that the devs just have Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale read everything, and decide who will gender specific later.

Thank you for saving me the time of explaining this myself..

There are so many idiots around here that think this is "proof" that Bioware planned Tali to be bi from the beginning, but the truth is, Tali was never meant to be bi.. 

If Bioware wanted Tali to be bi, she would be.....but she isn't..  

And her being bisexual would be absolutely ridiculous if you ask me..   

[TuringPoint]

That is strange.

[TheSpaceHamster]

More content = goodies.



That is all.

[Mordigan]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Right because her romancing a M!Shep makes so much more sense right? <_<

It makes a helluva lot more sense than her romancing FemShep..

Quarians aren't Asari.  They have two sexes and reproduce sexually, and not to mention Quarian females are anatomically similar to human females (breasts, vaginas etc) and I'm sure Quarian males are anatomically similar to human males as well, in that they have penises, so it's not so outlandish to think of Tali and DudeShep having a sexual relationship.

For Tali to be bisexual would be silly, and would appear as though Bioware was just pushing gay romances for the sake of it.

[TheSpaceHamster]

As long as there has been science-fiction stories, there have been humans mating with anything that walks, has breasts, and would appear to somewhat be beautiful.

So say we all.

Besides, Tali represents mystery, and humans do find mystery appealing - not everyone, but it is a fair generalization.

edit: spelling/sentence structure

Modifié par TheSpaceHamster, 06 février 2010 - 07:11 .

[SpideyKnight]

Read Revelations.

[Mordigan]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

For Tali to be into humans at all is silly. She's a quarian they can't reproduce with humans last I checked and already appears as though BioWare pushed her romance for the sake of it.

I agree that it is silly for Tali to be into humans, but Mass Effect is Sci-Fi, and getting it on with aliens has been a staple of this genre for a long time.

Think Captain Kirk!

Also LOL at Tali and DudeShep having a relationship when just by sleeping together she gets a bloody fever. That's real healthy!

 
I think you're overanalyzing..  Besides, devs stated on the old board numerous times that Quarians and humans are sexually compatible...  They can't reproduce of course, but the "parts" fit.

And you're sure they're anatomically similar? Care to quote me something factual other than your thoughts? 

Come on.....Did you not see Tali's breasts? 

The fact that Tali has breasts indicates that Quarians have mammalian physiology..

[Kolaris8472]

Mordigan wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Right because her romancing a M!Shep makes so much more sense right? <_<

It makes a helluva lot more sense than her romancing FemShep..

Quarians aren't Asari.  They have two sexes and reproduce sexually, and not to mention Quarian females are anatomically similar to human females (breasts, vaginas etc) and I'm sure Quarian males are anatomically similar to human males as well, in that they have penises, so it's not so outlandish to think of Tali and DudeShep having a sexual relationship.

For Tali to be bisexual would be silly, and would appear as though Bioware was just pushing gay romances for the sake of it.

Ok, wow. I don't even want to get into how you know the two species evolved in such similar ways, but if a human penis goes inside a quarian or visa versa, someone is going to die. Crassness, apologies, etc. 

You heard Mordin go on about how their saliva could make you go into anaphylactic shock, what do you think those other...fluids would do?