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[valiala]

no wonder they won't talk about gay romances, they went to the point of recording voices, but probably were censored by EA



and people say they are not evil anymore...

[Unato]

I'm just curious how the author extracted the sound files out of the game =X

[SirGladiator]

Its obviously just a guess at this point, but my guess would be that Jennifer Hale actually did record the other scenes with Tali, even though they aren't on the disc. The reason Im guessing that, is because she recorded the lines for the continuation of the Ashley-FemShep romance that began in ME1, a romance that DOESNT EVEN OFFICIALLY EXIST . There is literally no way for anyone to play the Ashley-FemShep romance in ME2 without a mod, and yet she recorded lines for that completely non-existant (without a mod that is, with the mod its pretty cool) romance. If they would have her do those lines, why wouldnt they have her do lines that they at least COULD have used, and all signs point to the fact that at least at some point they DID plan to use? We know for 100% sure they didn't plan to use the Ashley-FemShep lines, and yet she did them. So it literally would make no sense at all for her not to have done the Tali ones also. Then again, it also makes no sense to only give the Tali romance to half the players who asked for it in the first place, so I guess you never know .

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Gocad wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Yeah. I got the piece of dialogue with my femshep where she mentioned linking suits and got to say that I felt the same way, but there was never any way to progress it beyond that.

It's funny how some here think that "linking our suits" has something to do with having sex. Tali speaks about the trust she has in Shepard. 

Yeah, in one of Tali's quests I believe she mentions a relative linking suits with a friend. It had nothing to do with becoming sexual with that person. Please everyone, no specifics. This is a non-spoiler forum. I'm not saying the original intention of ths scene was meant to be friendship-only, I'm just saying linking suits doesn't always mean that.

[Lucy Glitter]

Jesus. Not again.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Not what again? I don't believe I said anything in that last post that sides one way or the other.

[Terror_K]

valiala wrote...

no wonder they won't talk about gay romances, they went to the point of recording voices, but probably were censored by EA

and people say they are not evil anymore...

I dunno... why would EA let a game release with full on gay and lesbian romances one month, a game with sex/nudity DLC the next and then suddenly go all prudish in the third with ME2? 

[Unato]

actually i don't think it's much proof, the thane relationship also has the male shep saying exactly what the female said. just slowly working my way through the relationship files now to see what the others hold

[Darth Obvious]

Justin2k wrote...

RX_Sean_XI wrote...

You can have a romance with Tali in the game still

I don't see why no-one has realized that yet
Im on 360, but I chose not to go with her, but she gave the options

Male Shepard can.

Its the lesbians and gay guys who play female Shepard who are complaining.

Tali is the cute girly girl.  It makes sense she is straight.  Although really I don't think she should be a romance option full stop.

Alice is a cute girly girl too. Oh wait... you are obviously too closed-minded to know who that is.

[dsasxa]

Unato wrote...

actually i don't think it's much proof, the thane relationship also has the male shep saying exactly what the female said. just slowly working my way through the relationship files now to see what the others hold

How can you open them ?

[Neophyte Padawan]

It seems strange that Bioware would pay both of their Shepard actors to record dialogue they never intended to use in the game, but I suppose they will have their reasons.



I would support the inclusion of the FemShep romance as DLC - I see no reason why Tali wouldn't fall for her female hero in the same way as she does for her male!

[Jiav]

man the female shepard voice over is just so much better than the male shepard. Even, tho i played the male first, i enjoyed the female voice acting much more. I think tali and female shepard got the best voice over in ME2. (haven't played part 1).

[Lightice_av]

It seems strange that Bioware would pay both of their Shepard actors to record dialogue they never intended to use in the game, but I suppose they will have their reasons.

There's always plenty of dialogue recorded in games and animations that never sees the light of day because of script changes and time constraints. What I find odd is why unused dialogue is left on the disk, instead of just cutting it out completely.

Even, tho i played the male first, i enjoyed the female voice acting much more.

This is exactly why I would be happy to see this option. I just can't take the romance subplots seriously with the male character - Mark Meer is perfectly OK when he just needs to sound like badass, but getting actual emotion in his voice just seems too much for him.

[Neophyte Padawan]

Lightice_av wrote...

It seems strange that Bioware would pay both of their Shepard actors to record dialogue they never intended to use in the game, but I suppose they will have their reasons.

There's always plenty of dialogue recorded in games and animations that never sees the light of day because of script changes and time constraints. What I find odd is why unused dialogue is left on the disk, instead of just cutting it out completely.

 

Yes, I understand that, but some people in this thread are implying that the dialogue was recorded when Bioware never had any intention of using it in the first place, which is what I find strange. (Unless I'm completely misunderstanding what they are saying, in which case I apologise!)

[Unato]

dsasxa wrote...

How can you open them ?

the afc is a container, you need an extractor ( i found one from google ). the files it extracts is wav ( riff files ) iirc and you need to convert that to something, i found a wav to ogg converter for that

overall the process is annoying and requires writing batch files to automate tasks but it was an interesting learning experience . the out come off course is a good look at how bioware creates games ( did you know the scene where you first met Tali @ Freedom's Progress contains 83 audio files, some of which I don't think is even in the game )

edit: it's not odd that Bioware left it, each afc is no more then a few kilobytes the largest hasn't gone past 30 meg, and in each of them could contain anywhere between 10 to 200+ audio files. a VA only has to walk into a studio do 5hrs of recording and that's it. what Bioware does with the lines after it's recorded is entirely up to them

Modifié par Unato, 06 février 2010 - 05:36 .

[cerberus1701]

Lightice_av wrote...

Time constraints? A marketing decision? Unfortunately the chances of getting an official answer are pretty much nil.

EA presents, the Tali/Femshep romance pack! only £4.99 coming soon to the Cerberus Network!

The sad thing is that thousands would probably buy it without a word of complaint.

Yes.

I would.

[Kolaris8472]

Gocad wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Yeah. I got the piece of dialogue with my femshep where she mentioned linking suits and got to say that I felt the same way, but there was never any way to progress it beyond that.

It's funny how some here think that "linking our suits" has something to do with having sex. Tali speaks about the trust she has in Shepard. 

She also brings up intimacy and that suit-syncing is the most intimate thing Quarians can do. No, it certainly doesn't explicitly mean romantic interest.

But, going from suit-syncing to romantic interest makes more sense to me than going from suit-syncing to absolutely nothing. 

My ideal scenario would be more (read: a lot more) non-romantic dialog for possible romantic interests, but since that's not happening, BioWare already messed up the lore for fanservice, and the fanservice is actually hurting a certain type of character (all Femsheps interested in Tali, even for non-romantic reasons as she ends up with less dialog than normal), and the romantic relationship between Femshep and Tali is not ruled out given what we know of her, it would be a lesser-evil to just tag the romance for either gender. 

[cerberus1701]

Neophyte Padawan wrote...

It seems strange that Bioware would pay both of their Shepard actors to record dialogue they never intended to use in the game, but I suppose they will have their reasons.

Logistics primarily. Lets say you're throwing around the FemShep/Tali idea. You've written it, talked about it, but don't know if it's going into the final build.

Voiceover time comes.
 
If you later decide to go that route but they haven't recorded it you may be totally screwed because one or more of the voice actors may be unavailiable.

[SethSteiner]

I would totally buy a Tali FemShep Romance DLC, I would complain but buy it.

Modifié par SethSteiner, 06 février 2010 - 05:54 .

[dsasxa]

Unato wrote...

the afc is a container, you need an extractor ( i found one from google ). the files it extracts is wav ( riff files ) iirc and you need to convert that to something, i found a wav to ogg converter for that

overall the process is annoying and requires writing batch files to automate tasks but it was an interesting learning experience . the out come off course is a good look at how bioware creates games ( did you know the scene where you first met Tali @ Freedom's Progress contains 83 audio files, some of which I don't think is even in the game )

edit: it's not odd that Bioware left it, each afc is no more then a few kilobytes the largest hasn't gone past 30 meg, and in each of them could contain anywhere between 10 to 200+ audio files. a VA only has to walk into a studio do 5hrs of recording and that's it. what Bioware does with the lines after it's recorded is entirely up to them

Thanks, i used ww2ogg + command prompt and i managed to extract some of Kasumi's dialog in .ogg format.

[dsasxa]

I listened to the dialog, but suit-sync is something common among quarians who are very close friends. Admiral Raan and Tali's mother did it when Tali was born. Nothing sexual, really.

[Unato]

the fem shep dialogue isn't really that complete, there's no female VA work in culmination afc file the only lines are the male one ( that file governs the final love scene ). listening to the all the tali conversation it's pretty clear ( imo ) Bioware went and did a bunch of recording then picked and chose the ones they wanted to use while leaving whatever they didn't use still in the container

[JSLfromBx]

It's real shame, femshep/tali romance was the reason why I bought the game, Bioware really dispointed me on this one, especially after Dragon age, at least it's not difficult for the female gamers to stay faithfull to Liara on this one.

[RVonE]

I would pay 10 dollars for a femshep/tali romance DLC. Am I crazy? Yes.

[Ruka13]

I'd pay for FemShep/Tali DLC. I'd complain but I'd buy it.



Cheers