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[TJWWE2007]

I assumed it was a reaper from the beginning. But I didnt know that the general was being controled by a reaper, I was under the assumption that the General acutally WAS a reaper, and that reapers were'nt all like Soveriegn. Im glad I was wrong lol.

[Mal_Luck]

fogofeternity wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

You're not given the name, at least in the game, until the end, as far as I know.

Except on the combat targetting. Which you're right is not strictly "in character knowledge" for Shep, but a bit difficult to ignore given how often he pops up.

Really it was the voice that did it though, so similar in style to Sovereign's.

In the codex entry for the Collector General it mentions that the suped-up drones speak english calling themselves Harbinger.

[GnusmasTHX]

fogofeternity wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

You're not given the name, at least in the game, until the end, as far as I know.

Except on the combat targetting. Which you're right is not strictly "in character knowledge" for Shep, but a bit difficult to ignore given how often he pops up.

Really it was the voice that did it though, so similar in style to Sovereign's.

I ignored it.

[Gill Kaiser]

fogofeternity wrote...

I pretty much assumed from the first moment I encountered Harbinger that he was a Reaper. Just a combination of the voice and the name.

But I've seen a few posts that cite Harbinger being "revealed" as a Reaper at the end, instead of the Collector General, as a big surprise.

What's the general consensus? 

Well, when I heard it in a trailer I assumed it was probably from a Reaper. However, during the actual game the voice is first heard when the Collector General is on screen, and the cinematography of the scene HEAVILY imply that it's the Collector General speaking - which it is, technically. So you just assume that the Collector General's name is Harbinger.

[Annihilator27]

That was my fav plot twist in the game. Well for those that were surprised by it.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Twas not til the end, that I figured out that the Collector General was being manipulated/controlled by Harbinger.

Spine-tingly badness, at it's finest.

[Lmaoboat]

I didn't know, but I wasn't suprised at all.

[MassEffect762]

Meh. I didn't really care. Harbinger hardly put any effort into playing the role of the bad guy.

[ArcanistLibram]

I did not see it coming. I was even surprised that the general wasn't the final boss. And then Harbinger released control and I had to change my pants.

[fogofeternity]

Incidentally, this isn't a "hah, I was smarter than you" comment. More I think one of the best things about ME2 has been its ability to provoke wildly differing interpretations and conclusions. As evidenced by lots of the discussions in the forum.



A lot of the forum threads are talking about aspects that confused people, or that weren't quite perfect, but I think in getting involved in those discussions we forget that we're only so passionate because it was a damn good game!

[fogofeternity]

MassEffect762 wrote...

Meh. I didn't really care. Harbinger hardly put any effort into playing the role of the bad guy.

Yeah, conversation with Harbinger would have added a lot I think. The Shep/Sovereign chats in ME1 added a huge amount of drama to the game.

[Anglerfish610]

I had my suspicions, but it was cemented into my head that harbinger = collector general, from the pre-release and behind the scenes videos I had seen. Its voice is obvious now, but it didn't pack the same punch that Sovereign's voice had in the first game. Plus, I couldn't help but be reminded of Dr. Claw every time it spoke.("I'll get you next time, Shepard! Next time!")

[Andorfiend]

fogofeternity wrote...

MassEffect762 wrote...

Meh. I didn't really care. Harbinger hardly put any effort into playing the role of the bad guy.

Yeah, conversation with Harbinger would have added a lot I think. The Shep/Sovereign chats in ME1 added a huge amount of drama to the game.

This. I was surprised, to the extent that I cared, but only because I had devoted exactly no thought to it. Harbinger was kind of a no-show as a badguy. I mean sure, he showed up a lot but all that meant was I hit warp a couple of times and watched him disintegrate. Some actual dialogue with him would have gone a long way toward improving things.

[GenericPlayer2]

I was surprised - I just thought he was the head collector stooge. Still, I didn't really care or give it much thought. His battle taunts were annoying (as they should be) and I was just focused on killing the other collectors first so he couldn't jump bodies over and over within the same fight. Maybe if there was a dialog with him I might have been more interested. 

So yeah, I was surprised, but he didn't really capture my imagination to begin with.

Modifié par GenericPlayer2, 06 février 2010 - 12:22 .

[fogofeternity]

Andorfiend wrote...

This. I was surprised, to the extent that I cared, but only because I had devoted exactly no thought to it. Harbinger was kind of a no-show as a badguy. I mean sure, he showed up a lot but all that meant was I hit warp a couple of times and watched him disintegrate. Some actual dialogue with him would have gone a long way toward improving things.

Yeah, I thought he kinda failed as an intimidating threat. The first time I saw the whole "taking direct control" cinematic I was very much thinking "oh crap". But then he ended up being no more difficult to take down than a well shielded Blue Suns merc captain or something.

I think that undermined him as a villain, because his direct interventions were so consistently ineffective. I would have kept them far less numerous, and had them act as far more pivotal; e.g. forcing a change in the outcome of a mission so that the storyline sees Shepard etc forced to flee this insane Reaper possessed creature. Or simply being some hugely difficult end of mission boss.

Even the very first time you see him on Horizon, he's less dangerous than a Scion you encounter.

[Hawkman-X71]

 I think that, for me, it wasn't obvious. Kind of a nagging in the back of my mind. "Psst. Maybe the Collector General isn't what it seems." He wasn't necessarily in the forefront of my thinking. I think the there's more to the Illusive Man than what's presented to us, so Harbinger became a secondary, or even tertiary, concern. Too much unanswered. I was too focused into trying to figure out Illusive Man's eyes. Reaper technology? <_< Harbinger wasn't the real enemy! He was the distraction! But I dream...

[AoiDreamer]

Wasn't surprised when I heard it, but I didn't know it either. Was just kinda like.. "Oh, that make sense."

[GenericPlayer2]

Yeah that is so true. He is hardly intimidating in any way, shape or form. I wish Sheperd could reply to his taunts in a mocking tone

[Champion1]

I knew the second Harbinger took over the first Collector and it went all crackly and black and yellow.  Nothing but Reaper possession does that to someone <_<  Reminded me waaay too much of last-boss Saren/Soverign from ME1.

[Taritu]

I was surprised.

[Ragrappy99]

I didn't realise it was a Reaper until reading about it on here.



I thought that at the end, Harbinger goes to activate some sort of weapon ("releasing control" of something mega awesome?) only for it to cut out halfway. The expression of him at the end, to me, look like he was thinking "Well.. thats just great" before turning around and being engulfed in the explosion.



...Just me?

[fogofeternity]

Ragrappy99 wrote...

I didn't realise it was a Reaper until reading about it on here.

I thought that at the end, Harbinger goes to activate some sort of weapon ("releasing control" of something mega awesome?) only for it to cut out halfway. The expression of him at the end, to me, look like he was thinking "Well.. thats just great" before turning around and being engulfed in the explosion.

...Just me?

Heh. Yeah, I didn't really understand why he was still playing around with ship controls in the five seconds prior to releasing control.

[Awevii]

I was plenty surprised, it's the one thing the main story had that made me go WOW! It was a cool reveal in my opinion.

[Dave of Canada]

Knew it, it was obvious when he said "We are the harbinger of your perfection". It just resonated the whole "I am the vanguard of your destruction."

[tmp7704]

fogofeternity wrote...

But I've seen a few posts that cite Harbinger being "revealed" as a Reaper at the end, instead of the Collector General, as a big surprise.

Didn't really see it coming. The General was yapping way too much; seemed fitting for servant of the Reapers that's trying to intimidate you, but not for the Reaper itself as i'd think they're just too arrogant for that. The booming voice, i just took it as cue it's not so much a "true" speech but rather some telepathy-based communication the Collectors' masters gave them.

edit: also him getting repeatedly headshot to death every 30 seconds without achieving much didn't exactly create impression i was dealing with the superior and terrifying specimen of cybernetic race there. Just a slightly tougher bug to squash.

Modifié par tmp7704, 06 février 2010 - 01:23 .