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[Forest03]

Yes, I was pleasantly surprised. I had a nagging suspicion from the start that Reapers were already in full control of the Collectors, that the Collectors weren't just "working for" the Reapers. I shook it of though, because the Harbinger's voice wasn't as metallic as Sovereign's. It wasn't until the end that I saw what was really happening. I felt bad for the 'general' when the Reaper released him, and he's left looking back as the explosion consumes the Collector base. Poor Protheans.

Modifié par Forest03, 06 février 2010 - 01:20 .

[Draconis6666]

well tbh i dont know how peopel think its "revealed at the end" when in the horizon mission where you first see the collector general you hear harbringer say "assuming control" and the collector generals eyes change color. also the hologram of the reaper is on his console during this time also

[Jalem001]

He's got the reaper voice, we know the Reapers are in control of the Collectors...just made sense that they would ACTUALLY be in control of them.



Plus Reapers are pretty arrogant creatures and when you show up on a battlefield saying "I AM HARBINGER!"...well...I caught on pretty quickly.

[Forest03]

@ Draconis : Really? The hologram of the Reaper is in "Harbinger's" station early on? I completely missed that. I saw no other implication that the general was under the direct influence of a single Reaper, but the ending confirms it succinctly.

[Sturm Jaeger]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

You're not given the name, at least in the game, until the end, as far as I know.

You are if the subtitles are turned on. Any Collector controlled by him is tagged as Harbinger.

[Draconis6666]

Yep its there from the very first time you see the collector general, You actualy see more of it during the horizon mission than you do at the end., but its a side view and not as obvious as your not seeing the tentacles close up like you do in the ending.

Modifié par Draconis6666, 06 février 2010 - 01:26 .

[tmp7704]

Draconis6666 wrote...

well tbh i dont know how peopel think its "revealed at the end" when in the horizon mission where you first see the collector general you hear harbringer say "assuming control" and the collector generals eyes change color. also the hologram of the reaper is on his console during this time also

What we see in the beginning is the General taking control over one of the worker drones. This doesn't really automatically imply the General was directly controlled himself as well, just that the collectors have this ability.

[Draconis6666]

look again the general's eyes change color before the drone is taken over and as I said harbinger's hologram is already on his console. I agree that the eye thing is not much as it could just be what happens when he takes over drones but the reaper hologram kind of gives it away.

Modifié par Draconis6666, 06 février 2010 - 01:29 .

[Himmelstor]

The mind control, the fact that it is SAID that the Reapers are the Collector's master's...

...obvious, really. Only issue is whether the Collecter General was under his control.



SPOILER: He was...

[SarEnyaDor]

I was not surprised because at the very beginning you see the Collector General looking at the screen-thing with a Reaper form on it, you hear "Assuming control" his eyes light up, and then throughout the game Harbinger assumes control of like every collector I'm standing next to, though I was surprised by the way the CG looked around all scared-like after control was released, made me think maybe they had more mind than I thought they had, which was sad. =(

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 06 février 2010 - 01:51 .

[Statulos]

If you compare that voice to the one from Sovereing in the first Mass Effect, they´re not that different so for me it was pretty evident.

[tmp7704]

Draconis6666 wrote...

look again the general's eyes change color before the drone is taken over and as I said harbinger's hologram is already on his console.

I don't really see that in the sequence:

The eyes don't really change colour there, the camera just zooms in as the General takes control over the drone. His eyes are lit throughout the sequence so it's reasonable to think he's been constantly under control of Harbinger. The the drone stands up with its eyes lit -- the transfer is complete and the General is controlling it.

I suppose that scene can be confusing then because we only get to hear the "assuming control" once and that's during the drone takeover. It's natural to take these two as directly connected. If Harbinger is supposed to take control over the General there then i'd expect to hear the takeover call twice as Harbinger drills into the General first and then into the drone.

Also can't really see the Reaper on that console, just view of the colony like it's some sort of security camera system. But it's really blurry video so maybe that's the reason.

[spartan5127]

I can't remember if I was surprised or not because it seems like an obvious fact now. I think all I thought when I heard "assuming control" was focus fire.

[Majpain007]

I suspected it but wasn't 100% sure.

[CommanderShawn]

did not notice till they got on the ship the first time

[Lyrandori]

To be entirely honest yes I very much thought so, that he is a Reaper simply due to the fact that he could take control of a body the exact same way that Sovereign took control of Saren's "augmentations" while destroying the remaining organics around them in ME1. He (Harbinger) does that in ME2 with the Collectors body, and he even says so out loud: «Assuming control...»

When I saw and heard that I exclaimed: «Great, another Reaper...»

BUT, admittedly, I did NOT think that Harbinger wasn't inside the galaxy, or in other words, I was thinking that Harbinger was actually inside the galaxy somewhere as much as Sovereign was. What I actually discovered and what surprised me is that Harbinger was still in dark space but was still able to take control of a Controller General and via that General be able to take control of any random Collector "soldier" body to fight against Shepard, and of course the Reaper Larva at the end, those were the things I didn't get at first and until the end.

But that Harbinger is a Reaper, it pretty much blew right onto my face from the start.

Modifié par Lyrandori, 06 février 2010 - 01:55 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

MassEffect762 wrote...

Meh. I didn't really care. Harbinger hardly put any effort into playing the role of the bad guy.

Yeah OK you keep believing that!
Personally, Harbinger was there........."taking control", not 'Saren/Soveriegn' difficult, but nonetheless present.

[Draconis6666]

the reaper is not on that console its earlier in the sequence when you first see the collector general approaching the controls.





starting at 3:09 in the uper left corner

Modifié par Draconis6666, 06 février 2010 - 02:04 .

[tmp7704]

Ahh i see; will try to remember to keep eye out for it when i get to that part with second playthrough.

edit: nvm, posted that before your edit. Yes can see it in that part, though the way camera avoids showing it direct i wouldn't really know it's actually a Reaper without seeing the final cinematics. When the subtitles had "Harbinger" i just presumed it's the General's name...

Modifié par tmp7704, 06 février 2010 - 02:12 .

[SuperVaderMan]

I was surprised. I just assumed that "taking direct control" was the general's ability, the general being that unique spider-like collector.

Although the name shoulda tipped me off

[Esternogligen]

I knew when it was suggested that the Collectors were under Reaper control.

My hint was the leader being referred to as both the Collector General *and* Harbinger on Horizon.

Had they kept it consistent, I may not have gotten it.

[MatchC22]

... i just pieced it together while reading... and i had already beat the game LOL wow... went so far over my head.

[KeledStrongarm]

Okay first off are people saying he actually is a Reaper or is being indoctrinated by a Reaper? Second was it actually "confirmed" or is this just an opinion? Because I still don't don't believe he actually was a Reaper, I just assumed he was indoctrinated like Saren.

[Mudzr]

I had an idea, the name and the voice kind of implied it, but that final moment was when I was like "Oh... it all makes sense"

Poor collector general

[ToshiStation38]

I really didn't suspect it. The reveal was really subtle and well done.