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[Andysilv]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just an observation about Miranda:

I've heard people refer to her as an "ice queen". I do not agree. I'm replaying ME2 now with my male Shepard, looking forward to how it will go with Miranda, and I find she's not particularly cold even at the start. She's professional, and not particularly warm, of course. After all, you're her piece of work for now. But those who name her "ice queen" seem to regard anyone as such who doesn't immediately be your friend. Even when she says she's not looking for a friend, she stays friendly. She just keeps a bit of distance.

The result, for me, is a relationship that is built on respect as well as passion. As opposed to Tali, Shepard has an equal in Miranda, as much as the storyline will allow. I'm getting a surprising kick out of that.

I agree completely. I've always thought the reason she's...let's say 'less friendly' at the beginning is due to Wilson's betrayal and having to wake Shepard before he was finished. I'd be pretty pissed off if I had been working on something for 2 years and then have to risk losing it before it was complete.

She's definitely much more approachable once you're on the Normany and I've always assumed that she had just calmed down by that point and got herself together. Her behaviour completely makes sense really.

[Mox Ruuga]

Agreed on Miri being an equal of Shepard.

Tali is the biggest damsel in constant distress of Mass Effect, and Jack is a frightened little girl lashing out still after all these years.

Samara would have been another Woman amongst the girls, but as it is, Miri stands alone.

Not that I have anything really against LIs that are the "girl" to Shep's man or woman, Liara is a personal favorite after all. It's just nice to see an LI closer to an equal with Shep once in a while.

This is also what makes someone like Aria so attractive as a "wish to have in ME3" LI candidate: confidence and power, not afraid to challenge Shep.

[Andysilv]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Agreed on Miri being an equal of Shepard.

Tali is the biggest damsel in constant distress of Mass Effect, and Jack is a frightened little girl lashing out still after all these years.

Samara would have been another Woman amongst the girls, but as it is, Miri stands alone.

Not that I have anything really against LIs that are the "girl" to Shep's man or woman, Liara is a personal favorite after all. It's just nice to see an LI closer to an equal with Shep once in a while.

This is also what makes someone like Aria so attractive as a "wish to have in ME3" LI candidate: confidence and power, not afraid to challenge Shep.

I really liked Aria, I was disappointed she wasn't in ME2 more.

[Sleepy Buddha]

Flashy91 wrote...

and how did his DNA make such a beautiful person .... **Getz brain freeze** 

13, obviously. And perhaps a bit of Cameron in the mix. But mostly Yvonne.

[ToshiStation38]

andysilv87 wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Agreed on Miri being an equal of Shepard.

Tali is the biggest damsel in constant distress of Mass Effect, and Jack is a frightened little girl lashing out still after all these years.

Samara would have been another Woman amongst the girls, but as it is, Miri stands alone.

Not that I have anything really against LIs that are the "girl" to Shep's man or woman, Liara is a personal favorite after all. It's just nice to see an LI closer to an equal with Shep once in a while.

This is also what makes someone like Aria so attractive as a "wish to have in ME3" LI candidate: confidence and power, not afraid to challenge Shep.

I really liked Aria, I was disappointed she wasn't in ME2 more.

Yeah, I really liked her too. I don't want to pursue a romance with her or anything, but I liked her personality. A lot of people hate her too, and really, I can understand why. Pretty much anytime you think you're being clever, she insults you. She really tries to assert her dominance.

[Jonathan Bouler]

I've just finished my third playthrough, and I gotta tell ya that I don't bother with any one else other than Miranda. Maybe it's my total love of Yvonne Strahovski or my Chuck fanboyism, but I just prefer Miranda from a story stand point. I mean to me it just seems that the story lends itself very well to Shepard and Miranda hooking up. Miranda is the type of woman that I believe Shepard would actually choose. As far as Miranda in ME 3, I believe that the story threads are there. Who exactly is her father? Just how far will he go to attempt to control Miri, and how far will Shepard go to protect his ladylove? Sounds like Bioware has some plans going forward!

[Sleepy Buddha]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just an observation about Miranda:

I've heard people refer to her as an "ice queen". I do not agree. I'm replaying ME2 now with my male Shepard, looking forward to how it will go with Miranda, and I find she's not particularly cold even at the start. She's professional, and not particularly warm, of course. After all, you're her piece of work for now. But those who name her "ice queen" seem to regard anyone as such who doesn't immediately be your friend. Even when she says she's not looking for a friend, she stays friendly. She just keeps a bit of distance.

The result, for me, is a relationship that is built on respect as well as passion. As opposed to Tali, Shepard has an equal in Miranda, as much as the storyline will allow. I'm getting a surprising kick out of that.

Agree with you completely.

Especially the part about those who call her "ice queen". Just because you've met someone does not mean you have to be friends. One has to be polite, which she always is to Shepard and everyone else. Only after people learn more about each other can they trully become friends.

[Sleepy Buddha]

Sorry people, still trying to catch up, hope my delayed replies don't bother you.

[Arijharn]

I think she was more 'standoffish' than 'ice,' but then again she did wish she put a control chip in your brain.



If I was my shephard, I'd make a point to ask her after I had seduced her (because no one else in that game is LI material imho) : "so, do you still wish you put that control chip in my head?"

[aeetos21]

I did call her a **** when I first met her and she was pretty damn icy. But once we broke the "ice" she really started to grow on me.

[ToshiStation38]

The way she was marketed, I was actually sort of disappointed at how friendly she was. Basically, as soon as you get on to the Normandy, she's really friendly. I sort of wish she was cold until you help her with her loyalty mission. I always try to be mean to her until about half-way into her loyalty mission (I don't call her a ***** though), and I don't do the hard to compliment vs. you're jealous conversation until after I've read her sister's e-mail.

One thing I do like is that she seems slightly embarrassed to be asking for Shepard's help with her sister.

Modifié par ToshiStation38, 11 février 2010 - 12:24 .

[Sleepy Buddha]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Agreed on Miri being an equal of Shepard.

Tali is the biggest damsel in constant distress of Mass Effect, and Jack is a frightened little girl lashing out still after all these years.

Samara would have been another Woman amongst the girls, but as it is, Miri stands alone.

Not that I have anything really against LIs that are the "girl" to Shep's man or woman, Liara is a personal favorite after all. It's just nice to see an LI closer to an equal with Shep once in a while.

This is also what makes someone like Aria so attractive as a "wish to have in ME3" LI candidate: confidence and power, not afraid to challenge Shep.

I really liked Aria, I was disappointed she wasn't in ME2 more.

Yeah, I really liked her too. I don't want to pursue a romance with her or anything, but I liked her personality. A lot of people hate her too, and really, I can understand why. Pretty much anytime you think you're being clever, she insults you. She really tries to assert her dominance.

I find this funny, because just like Miranda, I loved Aria. People hate a character for doing to them what they were trying to do to the character.

It's the same thing with Miranda. People try to establish their dominance of the relationship, and when the character turns the tables on them, they hate the character because they can't control them or have them crawling at their feet.

I like characters who can fight back, who you can turn to your side if you handle them right, by treating them with respect. If you want respect, you should give others what you want.

After reading these forums, I'm beginning to think a lot of people have control issues. Whether from frustration in real life or whatnot, I don't know.

[Mox Ruuga]

Consider the fact that Tali, the most popular female LI on these forums, is in a jam she can't get out of without Shep's direct intervention every time you meet her again. And whose loyalty quest is basically Shepard being the white knight, protecting her and her family's honor. Four times you need to pull Tali's fat out of the fire.

Contrast with Miranda, who is actually the one to save Shepard by bringing him/her back to life. And only reluctantly coming to him/her for aid, not for herself, but for her sister.

The constant damsel in distress versus the competent and powerful woman.

[Andysilv]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Consider the fact that Tali, the most popular female LI on these forums, is in a jam she can't get out of without Shep's direct intervention every time you meet her again. And whose loyalty quest is basically Shepard being the white knight, protecting her and her family's honor. Four times you need to pull Tali's fat out of the fire.

Contrast with Miranda, who is actually the one to save Shepard by bringing him/her back to life. And only reluctantly coming to him/her for aid, not for herself, but for her sister.

The constant damsel in distress versus the competent and powerful woman.

Very true. As much as I like Tali, I'd go for the powerful, competent woman anytime.

[Shinigami013]

I'm gonna save up a bit of cash and get ME1 and play that then decide what all my decisions/LI's will be in ME2. Itll probaly still come down to a coin toss between Tali and Miranda. Both have a great story and awsome love scene

[Ieldra]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
The constant damsel in distress versus the competent and powerful woman.

Exactly. There's nothing as exhilarating as being loved by a powerful woman. Although it might make the relationship a hell of a ride. 

Miranda's also the only team member from ME1 and ME2 where I can imagine a future between Shepard and her. The others just aren't on the same level.

[SnakeHelah]

Do you people think Tali is the most popular because mostly immature people pick her as a romance, or is it just a personal taste?
Personally i don't like those silly types like her, That's why i chose Miranda for, but still i'm wondering,
Immaturity, or simply personal taste?
I say Immature because i looked up at the forum thread a bit, lots of teens. Well there are some serious people. Still.

Modifié par SnakeHelah, 11 février 2010 - 12:55 .

[Arijharn]

SnakeHelah wrote...

Do you people think Tali is the most popular because mostly immature people pick her as a romance, or is it just a personal taste?
Personally i don't like those silly types like her, That's why i chose Miranda for, but still i'm wondering,
Immaturity, or simply personal taste?
I say Immature because i looked up at the forum thread a bit, lots of teens. Well there are some serious people. Still.

Aren't you leading the question with 'immaturity or personal taste?' I can't think of many people who would say: 'sure, it's because I'm immature!'

[Mox Ruuga]

SnakeHelah wrote...

Do you people think Tali is the most popular because mostly immature people pick her as a romance, or is it just a personal taste?
Personally i don't like those silly types like her, That's why i chose Miranda for, but still i'm wondering,
Immaturity, or simply personal taste?

It might be the character dynamics.

Whereas someone like Miranda will always challenge you, Tali is clearly more of a "yes dear" type. She's also "adorable" (tho I really can't see it), the Cameron Crowe movie female lead. Miranda, OTOH, doesn't hold Shepard in awe or pine away after him. She has her own self esteem issues, but has made her own fortune nonetheless. She's powerful, aggressive, and driven. Someone like TIM wouldn't have allowed her to rise to the position she is in, otherwise.

Like I said in a previous post, I can appreciate the "girl" types as well, depending on the writing. Liara is a personal favorite, after all. But there is just something about an equal for a lover. Miranda will never be cutesy or "adorable", she's too much of a woman for that. And I like that she's six or seven years older than Shepard as well. Refreshing, for a non-elf / non-asari type.

Modifié par Mox Ruuga, 11 février 2010 - 01:00 .

[Funker Shepard]

SnakeHelah wrote...

Do you people think Tali is the most popular because mostly immature people pick her as a romance, or is it just a personal taste?
Personally i don't like those silly types like her, That's why i chose Miranda for, but still i'm wondering,
Immaturity, or simply personal taste?
I say Immature because i looked up at the forum thread a bit, lots of teens. Well there are some serious people. Still.

As a card-carrying Miranda fan, I'm more prone to thinking that "immature" people would go for her and her more... obvious assets. OTOH, Tali represents the kind of young, awkward kinda geeky girl a lot of male geeks seem to dream of.

My personal preference has always been for scientist/corporate/lawyer ice queens in real life - so it's only fitting I "warm" to Miranda.

[Andysilv]

SnakeHelah wrote...

Do you people think Tali is the most popular because mostly immature people pick her as a romance, or is it just a personal taste?
Personally i don't like those silly types like her, That's why i chose Miranda for, but still i'm wondering,
Immaturity, or simply personal taste?
I say Immature because i looked up at the forum thread a bit, lots of teens. Well there are some serious people. Still.

Now when I say this I'm obviously not including myself and others who are enjoying this thread because we all like Miri for her character and personality as well as her good looks. But I think more immature, or the 'OMG bewbz' crowd are more likely to go for Miranda than Tali just because of well...her boobs.

So I think Tali is just more of a personal taste thing, plus the fact that she was a returning ME1 character who people really took to.

Modifié par andysilv87, 11 février 2010 - 01:03 .

[Ieldra]

SnakeHelah wrote...
Do you people think Tali is the most popular because mostly immature people pick her as a romance, or is it just a personal taste?
Personally i don't like those silly types like her, That's why i chose Miranda for, but still i'm wondering,
Immaturity, or simply personal taste?

There are a few things IMO which draw some players to Tali:
(1) She's mysterious - you can't see her face
(2) She's young. Always an attraction.
(3) She's a bit of a damsel-in-distress type.
I can see the attraction, even feel it at times, but I'd rather have Tali as a friend, or something like a younger sister. That she's not human doesn't help. As I've said repeatedly, I don't believe in interspecies sexual relations.

Having said that, no, I don't think you're immature if you're attracted by Tali. But she does attract those who are while Miranda usually does not. It just shows that personality is important - you'd have thought the geek crowd would be attracted by Miranda's more obvious "assets".  Instead, gathering info from the Tali cult threads and their prevalent style of speech, it seems the opposite is true.
 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 février 2010 - 01:10 .

[Andysilv]

We need a Miri pic:

[Sleepy Buddha]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Consider the fact that Tali, the most popular female LI on these forums, is in a jam she can't get out of without Shep's direct intervention every time you meet her again. And whose loyalty quest is basically Shepard being the white knight, protecting her and her family's honor. Four times you need to pull Tali's fat out of the fire.

Contrast with Miranda, who is actually the one to save Shepard by bringing him/her back to life. And only reluctantly coming to him/her for aid, not for herself, but for her sister.

The constant damsel in distress versus the competent and powerful woman.

And this was what made stop liking Tali. I understand she loved her father and she's suffering. But she put her family's honor ahead of the well being of the Migrant Fleet.

She constantly tries to show you how honest and sincere she is. However, when it came down to it, she basically forces you to omit the truth of what had happened to her people, hiding her father's mistakes and leaving the other "enslave the Geth" female admiral to continue down the wrong path. I though that was a very bad decision.

After talking to Legion and learning about the true Geth, my opinion regarding her decison was cemented. I think that it will come to bite us in the rear when it comes time to make peace between the Geth and the Quarians to fight the Reapers.

For all of Miranda's flaws, I believe if she was in Tali's place, she would have admited the truth. She seems much more willing to admit her own mistakes and the mistakes of others, and is not constantly trying to seem perfect. She does what she thinks is right  (even if she's sometimes wrong), and does not worry about pleasing everybody. I like that about her.

Modifié par Sleepy Buddha, 11 février 2010 - 02:01 .

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I've heard people refer to her as an "ice queen". I do not agree. I'm replaying ME2 now with my male Shepard, looking forward to how it will go with Miranda, and I find she's not particularly cold even at the start. She's professional, and not particularly warm, of course. After all, you're her piece of work for now. But those who name her "ice queen" seem to regard anyone as such who doesn't immediately be your friend. Even when she says she's not looking for a friend, she stays friendly. She just keeps a bit of distance.

The result, for me, is a relationship that is built on respect as well as passion. As opposed to Tali, Shepard has an equal in Miranda, as much as the storyline will allow. I'm getting a surprising kick out of that.

Well obviously she is not really hostile...except at the very beginning when she says Cerberus should have put a control chip in your brain.  It is just that the relationship is akin to the proverbial melting the ice queen sort of relationship where the relationship starts out rather distance and professional and goes on from there rather than starting out flirty or friendly.