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I just though I should come by and show my support for Miranda. I haven't played her romance and I'm not interested in her looks, and even though she's very sexualized and everything, I still like her.

I was VERY surprised, because I though I was going to hate her before playing the game. She seemed an arrogant forced action girl in the previews, but the whole "I'm perfect" side of her isn't really so blatant. She's a bit cold, but I hate how so many people think that makes her "a b*tch". I liked her seriousness, her profesionality. Is that cold? FemShep can come as cold, too, for some.

I'm surprised, as I say, specially because she's obviously aimed at guys (focusing her butt so blatantly on the frame? Uh, who in the team hated subtlety so much?).

Tali's a good female character, but her charm comes from being a peculiar quarian. Ashley is ok, I like her to some extent. She feels like she could be a real person, an alliance soldier, and her attitude refleced that. Liara was a horrible damsel in distress with an annoying, fragile voice and a degree on archeology.

So yeah, it's nice to have a character like Miranda around. Personally I think that giving her a more modest body (or outfit. Seriously, heels?) could have made her even greater, but meh. At least she doesn't flirt with femShep, and the dialogues with her weren't (too) awkward.

Modifié par Nissun, 12 février 2010 - 05:48 .


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Bahaha good one lol

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Previous post @Com



Thanks for your support Nissun

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Nissun wrote...

I'm surprised, as I say, specially because she's obviously aimed at guys (focusing her butt so blatantly on the frame? Uh, who in the team hated subtlety so much?).


I usually had Jacob's butt in my face when Shep was talking to him as well.  I don't think it was just Miranda.  The male butt has always been prominently displayed in Mass Effect as well.

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http://www.daemonstv...7.thumbnail.jpg



I wonder if she's got some nachos on that plate....


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 Yeah, Miranda is not the only one. But that frame seemed so uncalled for in that conversation...:D

It's no secret that Jacob was created for women, as was Thane. But I guess this sort of thing teaches us to look beyond the character's looks. After all, one of the most amazing female characters was given a completely unnecesary cleavage (Samara), while Liara didn't show any skin and she's the most annoying Mary Sue in the world.

Modifié par Nissun, 12 février 2010 - 06:04 .


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Pah. Samara is average. Shove me in a cramped room with Miri, Ash, and Tali and I'll be happy enough.

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Well, I like to think that with Miranda Bioware's making a subtle commentary on sexism. You have people who will pursue the romance option with her just because of her great-looking model, and you have people who will dismiss the character as eye-candy with no substance for the same reason.



Of course, they're having their cake and eating it, too.

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(Sometimes, the wording may be a bit off - English is not my native language. I hope it was only rarely)

Miranda – an attempt at capturing her essence


She turned out to be the most interesting, the most fascinating woman I have ever encountered in a game on electronic media: Miranda Lawson, black-ops agent, genetically optimized superwoman, renegade daughter with a conflicted childhood, with the figure of a femme fatale and the heart of a warrior, a cool demeanor and a core of passion, a mind like a double-edged sword and a presence like a blue giant star. A powerful friend and an enemy to be feared, but to those who dare desire her – a dream made flesh.
Who else could capture the heart of a larger-than-life hero? Where else would he look and not look down? Who else could walk beside him on this path and not be burned to ashes? Who else but coolly indomitable Miranda, the almost perfect companion, who settles for nothing but the best, because she is one of the best herself?

Introducing Miranda: not a girl

We live in a culture and time where women are regularly designated "girls". This tendency falls flat on its face if applied to Miranda, because for all her physical perfection, apparently the epitome of youthful health and attractiveness, she is definitely not a girl. This is most obvious when comparing her with Tali, who has grown in character and power considerably since we met her first in Mass Effect 1, but retains a certain coy girlishness (which presents an attraction all of its own, but that’s another topic). Miranda has none of that. She is a woman not with charm but with presence, seems almost at the height of her personal power. Nonetheless, she also is no femme fatale, in spite of her physical attractiveness. There can be no doubt that she has the ability for such a role, but so far it seems she prefers to be less deceptive. If her most open moments are not a deception, then she is as she seems: a powerful woman with a stunning presence, tempered by personal conflict, dedicated to a cause she believes in, and a tendency for blunt honesty and open confrontation. As far as I'm concerned: a woman to be admired. In Latin: Miranda.

Deciphering Miranda: no mere beauty

Let’s face it – or, as Miranda has put it: why hide from it? – great beauty and attractiveness are never "mere". There is something dishonest in our culture’s tendency to play down the importance of the physical while dancing around it like around the proverbial golden calf. Great beauty and attractiveness may cause happiness or tragedy, they may give you power or turn you into a victim, but they are always remarkable and always influence how others perceive you. Whichever it turns out to be: the physical is as much part of your person as less tangible attributes. Miranda fully appreciates this, she fully appreciates her own physical superiority, while having not a single bit of vanity because of it. All the while, her attractiveness goes beyond the "mere" physical. Her presence is the result of a great figure, an interesting face, the physical grace resulting from her combat training, and the confidence she gains from her competence, all combined. If she were not beautiful, her relationship with Shepard would be very different. The story setup would be about seeing the extraordinary personality hiding behind the unremarkable or even the ugly. As it is, their story is a very different one: one of two people who both, in their different kind, may represent the best or the worst their species has to offer the galaxy, and who will decide which it is to be by the way they come together, or not.

Enhancing Miranda: no mere genetics

A much overlooked aspect of what makes Miranda fascinating is her heritage. Yes, everyone knows she's genetically engineered, but I suspect few appreciate it. We're so conditioned to see its problems that we tend to overlook that whatever the intent and the methods of her creation may have been, she really *is* enhanced, and may just represent the future of humanity. We're never exactly told what is enhanced apart from her looks and her longevity, but I take it for granted that enhanced mental acuity as well as enhanced physical reflexes and senses are a part of the package. We have seen so many disastrous results of genetic experiments, particularly by Cerberus. Miranda represents the other extreme: because her father wanted a dynasty – I take that to mean he wanted his daughter(s) to inherit his "business empire" – she has nothing like the control chip she’d wanted to implant in Shepard, nothing making her essentially less human. No, she only got the good parts.
All the while genes only provide potential, which must still be realized. No mere genetics can substitute for learning and training, only let you have an easier time doing that. Miranda may have extraordinary potential, but her father also wanted extraordinary results. So, even apart of the emotional deprivation she may have experienced, in a way she had to work just as hard as anyone else; which, among other things, makes her as human as anyone else - only better.

Romancing Miranda: not about need

Romancing Miranda tells us about a kind of love that is not about need. Miranda is confident and powerful. There is a core of emotional vulnerability, centered on her perception of herself as "only a tool", but that only makes her more human, not less confident in what she does. You get the impression that, given time, she'd come to terms with it on her own. As she herself tells Shepard, she doesn't need a friend. As she herself admits some time later, she wants one, she also wants a lover, nonetheless. But she settles for none but the best. So she is the type of woman even Shepard, larger-than-life hero that he is, must make an effort to be worthy of. Miranda will never be taken for granted. She doesn't fall into his lap. As a rule, she doesn't cry on his shoulders even while appreciating that she could if she needed to. Because in her own way, she's larger than life herself, as Shepard's equal an almost perfect companion. By challenging him she will bring out the best in him, as he will do with her, and together they will make a total greater than the sum of its parts.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 février 2010 - 06:09 .


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Wow, great analysis leldra. Thanks for taking the time to write that up and show support.

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Prudii Aden

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Ieldra, that was damned good!

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Ieldra--I put that in the OP. That was awesome.

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That was great Ieldra. Great read, right on the money :)

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andysilv87 wrote...

Let me try this again:
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I approve this pic and this thread!

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Ieldra2 wrote...



Romancing Miranda: not about need

Romancing Miranda tells us about a kind of love that is not about need. Miranda is confident and powerful. There is a core of emotional vulnerability, centered on her perception of herself as "only a tool", but that only makes her more human, not less confident in what she does. You get the impression that, given time, she'd come to terms with it on her own. As she herself tells Shepard, she doesn't need a friend. As she herself admits some time later, she wants one, she also wants a lover, nonetheless. But she settles for none but the best. So she is the type of woman even Shepard, larger-than-life hero that he is, must make an effort to be worthy of. Miranda will never be taken for granted. She doesn't fall into his lap. As a rule, she doesn't cry on his shoulders even while appreciating that she could if she needed to. Because in her own way, she's larger than life herself, as Shepard's equal an almost perfect companion. By challenging him she will bring out the best in him, as he will do with her, and together they will make a total greater than the sum of its parts.


So who wears the pants in this relationship....

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Wow leldra, that was fantastic. Brilliantly written and thought out, the best analysis of Miranda i have read yet.

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ComTrav wrote...

Ieldra--I put that in the OP. That was awesome.

Thanks a lot :)

You know, this is strange. Here I am, a video game veteran who started playing longer ago than most of the people in this forum have probably been alive, and find myself part of a fan group dedicated to a fictional character. As a rule, it's rather hard to make me consider myself a fan of anything. Miranda did it.

@firecleaner:
The story is about Shepard, so ultimately Shepard is the primary character. But Miranda comes as close to being his equal as the story allows. I think she deserves her own story or stories. I'd like to see a spin-off.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 février 2010 - 06:33 .


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Why is it that I know exactly when I go out tonight..the thread will shut down..lol

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antilles333 wrote...

Why is it that I know exactly when I go out tonight..the thread will shut down..lol


...I think you wandered into the wrong thread, friend ;).

You know, you could ASK Stanley Woo to close your thread. But that seems a little silly.

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antilles333 wrote...

Why is it that I know exactly when I go out tonight..the thread will shut down..lol

Nevermind... Didn't understand the statement at first. Lol.

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Ieldra2 wrote...



@firecleaner:
The story is about Shepard, so ultimately Shepard is the primary character. But Miranda comes as close to being his equal as the story allows. I think she deserves her own story or stories. I'd like to see a spin-off.


Hmmm.... true good analysis, I think if Shepard was real he would "go out" with Miranda she doesn't seem to take any of his bull**** or kiss the ground he walks on.

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That was a great analysis. I think you just summed up everything I love about Miranda. I love her strength, I love that her world doesn't revolve around Shepard and that she isn't a sexbot.



Thoughts about Miranda's life post-Cerberus? What do you see her doing with her life after the Reapers are dead. I don't see her as a stay-at-home type, and I think kids are very far off her personal radar.

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SnakeHelah wrote...

antilles333 wrote...

Why is it that I know exactly when I go out tonight..the thread will shut down..lol

Lol, Tali Noobie troll.


I dont think he/she was trolling she was in here yesterday he/she was nice

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antilles333 wrote...

Why is it that I know exactly when I go out tonight..the thread will shut down..lol


That's the beauty of starting a new one ;)

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@ firecleaner--It's Shepard's story. But as a lot of people on this thread have commented, the great appeal of the Miranda relationship is that it feels most like a relationship of equals among the (male) LIs.



And Ieldra, I've been playing games a good long time myself, and never been part of a character fan group until now. (Though after this I felt compelled to join a couple others...) And I never thought I would post on one of these, much less start one.



There's a Miri pic I've been saving for such an occasion:

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