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Ieldra2 wrote...

@Rathias0114:
I can't guarantee it, but I'd say your machine has enough power and will be able to handle ME2 in the highest resolutions without any problems at all. I only don't know if the game supports 1920x1080, because the driver filters the resolutions you can't use, and I can't use 1920x1080 because that's 16:9 and my display is 16:10 (1920x1200), so I can't see it even if the game supports it.

So you might give it a try, or wait until someone else confirms the game supports 16:9. The only question is: can you really wait so long to see Miranda in all her high-res glory :D


I can't! Haha. I ask because it's the laptop I'm getting that I'll be taking around with me during my enlistment with the Marine Corp - so I want it to be able to run my favorite game of all time at it's best - with no hesitation. ;)

In regards to the Jack/Miranda comment - I really think the "you were a mistake" comment was a direct insult to Jack - and I supported Miranda in it because I despise Jack. 

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I could not bring myself to side with Miranda in the Jack fight. As I've said a lot of times, the characters have a lot of similarities, and if the shoe had been on the other foot, their roles would be reversed.

But there's no denying that Jack got the short end of that deal. Miranda is appropriately horrified if you take her on Jack's mission, but she's still not quite willing to come to terms with the fact she's in a club with some Very Bad People. But this kind of insularity and communication problem is a factor in any group where secrecy is important, so it's not surprising Miranda didn't know.

I did Paragon my way out of this. But the way I RP'd my Captain America Shepherd, who ended up with Miranda, I was never afraid to confront her about Cerberus's wrongdoings.


Bolded part is something I'd like to point out - not all of Cerberus is bad. Yes, they have their bad apples - but can we judge the whole organization based on one rogue cell? 

All we've seen is the dirt behind Cerberus - and yet the only shining beacon shown to us is the Lazarus project. What about the STG? We've seen nothing but good things about them - but did anyone else start to dislike them after hearing about how THEY modified the genophage?

And what about the Spectres? What about Nihlus killing an unarmed civilian - which caused Samara to chase them? I truly think Cerberus is getting the short-end of the stick here when I say that.. we're seeing the stuff we are not supposed to see. And yet, we're seeing the stuff from the other two that we ARE supposed to see.

I'm not trying to defend Cerberus - the biotic experiments and whatnot were bad - but I'm not going to claim the whole organization is. I approached them how I approached Jacob - I'm not going to trust you or distrust you until you give me good enough reason to do so - and I'm not doing it on a grand level.. I'll do it person to person.

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It has good people, but it is a terrible organisation. Remember, most corrupt organisations have thousands of innocent employees, it's the scum at top that gives it a bad name.

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Kabraxal wrote...

It has good people, but it is a terrible organisation. Remember, most corrupt organisations have thousands of innocent employees, it's the scum at top that gives it a bad name.


Very true. We were told that it was a branch that broke off from Ceberus. So in a way Miranda has enough rights to acknowledge that the Ceberus she works with isn't the one that messed up Jack.

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Kabraxal wrote...

It has good people, but it is a terrible organisation. Remember, most corrupt organisations have thousands of innocent employees, it's the scum at top that gives it a bad name.


Exactly - and most of them are doing it because they think it's for the best. Kelly, for example.

I guess my Shepard is different from a lot of people - because even after Akuze, Toombs, and dealing with the Cerberus research facilities, I still went ahead and gave them a chance to prove me wrong - especially after they brought me back. 

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@ Rathias--If you confront Miranda about Cerberus, she says basically what you say. And I'll say what Shepard says: the Spectres, the STG, et al, are accountable to governments. And sometimes those governments are quite capable of dropping the hammer and covert ops organizations. (In the real world, this just means they de-fund them.) Remember your ME1 collection quest for the League of One? That was a pretty bad-ass Salarian group, but its government decided they had to go because they got out of hand. Cerberus isn't accountable to anyone but TiM. They are're a non-governmental actor that's ideologically driven, and they're heavily armed.

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I think most of the people within Cerberus are fine, but I would never trust TIM. The fact that Miranda shows honour and morals through-out clearly shows the difference between a believer in the cause and corrupt fanatic/power hungry SOB. Miranda is willing to admit that there are lines that should not be crossed, but TIM will clearly do anything at all if it means more power.

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One thing that is interesting, though, is that your Cerberus crew is chock-full of happy, normal people. Kelly doesn't seem like the type to sign up with a sketchy 'terrorist' organization, your engineers are likable, and of course you have Dr. Chakwas and Joker.

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ComTrav wrote...

@ Rathias--If you confront Miranda about Cerberus, she says basically what you say. And I'll say what Shepard says: the Spectres, the STG, et al, are accountable to governments. And sometimes those governments are quite capable of dropping the hammer and covert ops organizations. (In the real world, this just means they de-fund them.) Remember your ME1 collection quest for the League of One? That was a pretty bad-ass Salarian group, but its government decided they had to go because they got out of hand. Cerberus isn't accountable to anyone but TiM. They are're a non-governmental actor that's ideologically driven, and they're heavily armed.


Right - and I think the fact that they are governed by TIM supports me more.

As a businessman, are you going to let your subordinates get out of hand - and risk you losing valuable investments and the Alliance begin to investigate what exactly is going on?

He would be more careful about what was going on under his nose than the governments, because he doesn't have the same kind've power that a government does.

Take Miranda - I'm beginning to think that he sought Miranda out only to make up for the investment he lost from her father. In return for losing a large sum of money, he brought in an individual who could oversee his important jobs to make up for the loss.

Edit - just to point out, I'm not pro-Cerberus. I just believe in the same theory that Samara does - develop opinions of people through your experiences with them - not just by their association.

Modifié par Rathias0114, 13 février 2010 - 12:59 .


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ComTrav wrote...

One thing that is interesting, though, is that your Cerberus crew is chock-full of happy, normal people. Kelly doesn't seem like the type to sign up with a sketchy 'terrorist' organization, your engineers are likable, and of course you have Dr. Chakwas and Joker.


I think in someway that was the plan all along from TIM. Feel the ship with people that could change Shepard's view on Ceberus.

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lol Com I am reading some of the comments on the survey thread and by reading some of the replies you would think that this was an MMO and everyone belonged to a faction that is led by the ME2 characters or something.

This is your fault Bioware for creating great characters :)

Modifié par westful, 13 février 2010 - 01:02 .


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Rathias0114 wrote...

ComTrav wrote...

@ Rathias--If you confront Miranda about Cerberus, she says basically what you say. And I'll say what Shepard says: the Spectres, the STG, et al, are accountable to governments. And sometimes those governments are quite capable of dropping the hammer and covert ops organizations. (In the real world, this just means they de-fund them.) Remember your ME1 collection quest for the League of One? That was a pretty bad-ass Salarian group, but its government decided they had to go because they got out of hand. Cerberus isn't accountable to anyone but TiM. They are're a non-governmental actor that's ideologically driven, and they're heavily armed.


Right - and I think the fact that they are governed by TIM supports me more.

As a businessman, are you going to let your subordinates get out of hand - and risk you losing valuable investments and the Alliance begin to investigate what exactly is going on?

He would be more careful about what was going on under his nose than the governments, because he doesn't have the same kind've power that a government does.

Take Miranda - I'm beginning to think that he sought Miranda out only to make up for the investment he lost from her father. In return for losing a large sum of money, he brought in an individual who could oversee his important jobs to make up for the loss.

Edit - just to point out, I'm not pro-Cerberus. I just believe in the same theory that Samara does - develop opinions of people through your experiences with them - not just by their association.


But the thing is, TiM might hold Cerberus accountable, but who holds TiM accountable? In the Systems Alliance, the government is ultimately accountable to the people.

TiM is a great strategist (his fake-out on the collector ship was straight out of Sun Tzu or John Boyd), but since he's essentially a private individual, he doesn't have the moral authority to be making foriegn and defense policy for the systems alliance. He's like a really well-financed vigilante, with a private army. Like Batman, it Batman decided to gather an army and prepare for an invasion of China.

And I do believe most of the people who join Cerberus are 'true believers', who on the whole come off as less xenophobic in person then Ashley did in the first game. They really believe that someone needs to do something or all is lost. Having worked for a nonprofit in the past, I feel like this is a fine attitude for something like Habitat for Humanity, or Teach for America, or something. But what Cerberus is doing is abrogating the authority of the Systems Alliance to make defense policy. They are, in effect, their own rogue state.

And I think most of them haven't thought about how awful this could potentially end up. Most of them just see that Cerberus can deliver results. And a lot of times in a crisis or threat, that's what gets peoples attention.

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Kabraxal wrote...

You were a mistake wasn't a personal attack it was a judgement on the tests and the methods of that cell. Miranda meant that what happened to Jack was a mistake, but not Cerberus' fault (though I argue she is just being defensive at this point since it is usually far enough in the story for her doubts to confront her firm conviction).


Judging from the way Yvonne voiced the character and the way Miranda sort of stares 'down' at Jack when she says it made me take it as if she thought Jack was the mistake (given the context of the scene). I don't mind this because while I valued Jack for her skills, I still thought she was very annoying, and... well, she pales next to the perfect woman!

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Well, that's the rub isn't it... the divide. Do you sell your soul to save humanity or do you hold to your principles even if it means failure? Renegade or paragon?

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Arijharn wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

You were a mistake wasn't a personal attack it was a judgement on the tests and the methods of that cell. Miranda meant that what happened to Jack was a mistake, but not Cerberus' fault (though I argue she is just being defensive at this point since it is usually far enough in the story for her doubts to confront her firm conviction).


Judging from the way Yvonne voiced the character and the way Miranda sort of stares 'down' at Jack when she says it made me take it as if she thought Jack was the mistake (given the context of the scene). I don't mind this because while I valued Jack for her skills, I still thought she was very annoying, and... well, she pales next to the perfect woman!


I thought she was staring her down to make sure she wasn't splattered across the hull...

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Kabraxal wrote...

Well, that's the rub isn't it... the divide. Do you sell your soul to save humanity or do you hold to your principles even if it means failure? Renegade or paragon?


Well, I've got one of each Shepard :P

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I felt dirty playing renegade this time through. Most options were simply being a dick or trying far too hard to be "bad***". I liked some of the RT interupts, but a lot of the dialogue options were horrible for renegade.

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No grumbling from all you people that are blessed with snowfall each year.


Are you serious?

I can't stand the snow... you can have it ALL!!!!

'Blessed' is NOT a word I would use because I get snowfall...more like 'unlucky'.

You love snow, come get it! Some don't love it, so hell yeah we're gonna 'grumble'.

:lol:

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Nadia73 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...
No grumbling from all you people that are blessed with snowfall each year.


Are you serious?

I can't stand the snow... you can have it ALL!!!!

'Blessed' is NOT a word I would use because I get snowfall...more like 'unlucky'.

You love snow, come get it! Some don't love it, so hell yeah we're gonna 'grumble'.

:lol:


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I'd gladly trade you.  Hopefully by next Christmas I will be living in the Rockies.

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Too much chat and not enough Miranda'ness in this thread :P

Just finished another run so heres some more pics...was going to romance her this time round but then got scared of 'dire consequences' and imagined Ash blowing her away as I cheated...so I didnt lol....

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And sure this one will go down well :P hehe

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Kabraxal wrote...
Grumble to yourself


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Anyone NOT seen this yet?



Totally worth reposting at any rate.

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Kabraxal wrote...

I felt dirty playing renegade this time through. Most options were simply being a dick or trying far too hard to be "bad***". I liked some of the RT interupts, but a lot of the dialogue options were horrible for renegade.


Agreed - the renegade choices this time around are pretty pathetic. I do, however, enjoy snapping the guy's neck during Miranda's loyalty mission.

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That picture with Miranda taking a seat... someone get it in black leather!