Well, it won't be me playing devil's advocate. I happen to agree that using Yvonne as a facial scan as well as VA was a guaranteed win as far as Miranda's appeal goes.
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I do think it might be part of why she seems to be the most popular human character.
(Besides Shepard, of course. If they don't bring Shepard back in ME3, I'm not buying the game.)
(Besides Shepard, of course. If they don't bring Shepard back in ME3, I'm not buying the game.)
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Some thoughts about topics debated/mentioned between page 244 and now.
Fan Fiction – novelization project
The first chapter of the novelization project at http://www.fanfictio...ht_for_the_Lost is extremely well done. Better than any ME2 fan fiction I’ve read so far. The scene with the Illusive Man and Miranda is particularly convincing. A few minor points: the Collector ship needs a better description – something that catches the screen impression and the mood evoked by its appearance better – and the term “cruiser” seems not quite appropriate. There are one or two other terms used in a way that seems awkward to me, and sometimes the wording seems a bit off, as in “her pursuer continued to persist”. May be just me not being a native speaker of English, though. Here and there a factual mistake – it’s not oxygen vented into space, it’s air. No time for a more detailed review, I’m afraid.
Fan fiction - canon Shepards or not
I consider it important that stories about Shepard do not present a too generic Shepard, because he loses personality that way. If that means including elements from a specific background, then so be it. Fan fiction does not necessarily include every player’s story. Quite the opposite is true: if one writes a fan fiction novelization, at some point its Shepard will have to make decisions influencing the story, and every single time the story leaves behind the players who made a different one. It’s unavoidable. So don’t cut the mood of the story for the sake of easier identification. If you read stories at all, as a rule you don’t have that luxury anyway.
Miranda, the final decision and the Cerberus agenda
I must say I’m having a hard time with the final decision approaching in my Shepard-with-Miranda game. Part of that it because I worry about how my preferred decision (keep the base) will affect Miranda. While I play mostly Paragon, I happen to approve of Cerberus’ agenda as presented by TiM (if not its methods, and assuming TiM’s claim about the ME1 events is true and it’s about human advancement but not necessarily anti-alien), but I don’t want Miranda to turn into the stereotypical cynical/renegade type in ME3. I’m also not the type to keep two different final saves for the same Shepard.
Player demographics and romantic encounters
This is just a hypothesis that came into my mind. Do you think that Miranda, as a rule, attracts older players more than younger ones? I suspect I myself would have reacted to Miranda quite differently when I was 20.
Thread slowing down
I’ve seen people say that the thread is slowing down. That doesn’t seem true to me. I still can’t keep up. But at some time it’s unavoidable. You can’t keep up the kind of attention required for 15+ pages every day indefinitely. As long as it doesn’t get slower than the rest of the forum (where this also happens as the game gets older), it doesn’t matter one bit. There’s also the fact that at some time, most of the things about Miranda have been said, and most interesting screenshots have been posted several times. I, for one, am reluctant to post unless I have something significant to say or show, so rather than post a line of chat, I’d rather not post at all. Most of the time, anyway.
Chuck
I’ll have to be a heretic here and admit I don’t like “Chuck” much (note the quotation mark to indicate I mean the tv series and not the character in it). One could say I like humor but tend to dislike comedy – and “Chuck” has too much of the latter. I also prefer my humor in smaller doses, I don’t think that embarrassing situations are humorous as such anyway, and I prefer my spy stories to respect themselves a bit more, even if they tend to the unrealistic (most spy stories are – I don’t object). I have the first season of “Chuck” on DVD, but I vastly prefer the more serious “Alias” (I have that on DVD as well). Only Yvonne makes “Chuck” bearable.
Miranda and Yvonne pics
If I may direct everyone’s attention to ComTrav’s Yvonne pic on page 245. If you haven’t seen it, have a look, it deserves an extra recommendation. If a basilisk wasn’t supposed to look ugly, I’d use it as an analogy: look at it and be stunned! Kosmikers Yvonne->Miranda morph on page 245 also deserves special mention. I always thought that Yvonne would be even more attractive than she already is with darker hair. Morphing her photo into something more Miranda-like is just what I wanted to see – almost Miranda made real. Great stuff! Many thanks, ComTrav and Kosmiker.
ME: Ascension and ME books in general
Someone mentioned the ME books. I’ll have to chime in and say ME: Ascension is not very good, while being reasonably enjoyable, and I don’t expect the others to be different. Now, my standards may be a bit different that most people’s, since I read a lot of books and occasionally write book reviews. But ME: Ascension is not good by the standards of SF and fantasy literature. I always feel like everything is staged, characters come across as shallow, the mood does not come across at all. IMO, the ME games do a better job at storytelling, weird as it sounds.
Why Miranda is unique
I’ve seen a few comparisons of Miranda with other characters from Bioware games. I think she is unique. In DAO’s Morrigan, I liked that Morrigan chose to go her own way in spite of what she felt for the warden. But she’s a loner anyway, so that shouldn’t have surprised anyone, and I considered it a very fitting end. Miranda is not a loner, she just has few friends but values those all the more (Niket, Oriana, probably a few people at Cerberus, later Shepard). Another comparison that comes to mind is BG2’s Jaheira, but you never get Jaheira’s “mother-henning” attitude with Miranda. Miranda is also surprisingly “normal” when you get to know her. Or perhaps I should say “real”. Her problems may be of unusual scope, but in principle they’re familiar, apart from the genetic optimization issue. She’s neither an extreme character like Jack, nor an alien mystery like Tali, but a human woman with a lifelike presence you don’t see often (haven’t ever seen before?) in a game. Bioware walked a very fine like making her Shepard’s equal in a way: She’s clearly no follower, but not only does she also not dominate him, she never even tries! She makes her own decision, and will be happy if that leads to them being together, but you can easily imagine her walking away because of some decision made by him (of course, in the games she probably will not do so, but the important thing is that it feels as if she could). At the end of it all, I can think of no woman in a video game I would compare Miranda to. She’s unique. So far – perhaps we’ll see more of her kind.
BTW: I subscribe to Arijharn’s “champagne glass with a crack” analogy. Only with a champagne glass, a crack really ruins it, for appearance and purpose both, while in Miranda, the “crack” only makes more human and believable what otherwise would be boring perfection.
BG2 and gaming nostalgia
There’s a reason for the nostalgia. BG2 had an extremely engaging storyline and a very convincing villain (in SOA). We have the same in ME1, but DAO, while developing the character interaction part very well, has shortcomings – the enemy really isn’t believable, it’s just a mysterious faceless evil with no perceptible motivation. And the protagonist was better connected to the main plot in BG2 either. DAO is worlds ahead of BG2 in gameplay and character interaction – something the hardcore nostalgics refuse to see – but it does have shortcomings. As ME2, being an excellent game overall, nonetheless has shortcomings compared to ME1, particularly in that the connection of the team members to the main plot does not come across as it should, so that most character quests feel like sidequests.
Miranda’s first romance scene:
I reached this scene last night. This is where she and Shepard talk after her loyalty quest. I think it was extremely well done, almost the best scene of its kind in a game I’ve ever seen. So subtle – just a little touch, and a second of eye contact – but the erotic tension just jumps out of the screen and hits you in the face.
And the thought to end this post:
Friendships form from being attracted to the same fictional woman, but break up from being attracted to the same real one.
@ComTrav:
I think using Yvonne's face had a net positive effect.
Fan Fiction – novelization project
The first chapter of the novelization project at http://www.fanfictio...ht_for_the_Lost is extremely well done. Better than any ME2 fan fiction I’ve read so far. The scene with the Illusive Man and Miranda is particularly convincing. A few minor points: the Collector ship needs a better description – something that catches the screen impression and the mood evoked by its appearance better – and the term “cruiser” seems not quite appropriate. There are one or two other terms used in a way that seems awkward to me, and sometimes the wording seems a bit off, as in “her pursuer continued to persist”. May be just me not being a native speaker of English, though. Here and there a factual mistake – it’s not oxygen vented into space, it’s air. No time for a more detailed review, I’m afraid.
Fan fiction - canon Shepards or not
I consider it important that stories about Shepard do not present a too generic Shepard, because he loses personality that way. If that means including elements from a specific background, then so be it. Fan fiction does not necessarily include every player’s story. Quite the opposite is true: if one writes a fan fiction novelization, at some point its Shepard will have to make decisions influencing the story, and every single time the story leaves behind the players who made a different one. It’s unavoidable. So don’t cut the mood of the story for the sake of easier identification. If you read stories at all, as a rule you don’t have that luxury anyway.
Miranda, the final decision and the Cerberus agenda
I must say I’m having a hard time with the final decision approaching in my Shepard-with-Miranda game. Part of that it because I worry about how my preferred decision (keep the base) will affect Miranda. While I play mostly Paragon, I happen to approve of Cerberus’ agenda as presented by TiM (if not its methods, and assuming TiM’s claim about the ME1 events is true and it’s about human advancement but not necessarily anti-alien), but I don’t want Miranda to turn into the stereotypical cynical/renegade type in ME3. I’m also not the type to keep two different final saves for the same Shepard.
Player demographics and romantic encounters
This is just a hypothesis that came into my mind. Do you think that Miranda, as a rule, attracts older players more than younger ones? I suspect I myself would have reacted to Miranda quite differently when I was 20.
Thread slowing down
I’ve seen people say that the thread is slowing down. That doesn’t seem true to me. I still can’t keep up. But at some time it’s unavoidable. You can’t keep up the kind of attention required for 15+ pages every day indefinitely. As long as it doesn’t get slower than the rest of the forum (where this also happens as the game gets older), it doesn’t matter one bit. There’s also the fact that at some time, most of the things about Miranda have been said, and most interesting screenshots have been posted several times. I, for one, am reluctant to post unless I have something significant to say or show, so rather than post a line of chat, I’d rather not post at all. Most of the time, anyway.
Chuck
I’ll have to be a heretic here and admit I don’t like “Chuck” much (note the quotation mark to indicate I mean the tv series and not the character in it). One could say I like humor but tend to dislike comedy – and “Chuck” has too much of the latter. I also prefer my humor in smaller doses, I don’t think that embarrassing situations are humorous as such anyway, and I prefer my spy stories to respect themselves a bit more, even if they tend to the unrealistic (most spy stories are – I don’t object). I have the first season of “Chuck” on DVD, but I vastly prefer the more serious “Alias” (I have that on DVD as well). Only Yvonne makes “Chuck” bearable.
Miranda and Yvonne pics
If I may direct everyone’s attention to ComTrav’s Yvonne pic on page 245. If you haven’t seen it, have a look, it deserves an extra recommendation. If a basilisk wasn’t supposed to look ugly, I’d use it as an analogy: look at it and be stunned! Kosmikers Yvonne->Miranda morph on page 245 also deserves special mention. I always thought that Yvonne would be even more attractive than she already is with darker hair. Morphing her photo into something more Miranda-like is just what I wanted to see – almost Miranda made real. Great stuff! Many thanks, ComTrav and Kosmiker.
ME: Ascension and ME books in general
Someone mentioned the ME books. I’ll have to chime in and say ME: Ascension is not very good, while being reasonably enjoyable, and I don’t expect the others to be different. Now, my standards may be a bit different that most people’s, since I read a lot of books and occasionally write book reviews. But ME: Ascension is not good by the standards of SF and fantasy literature. I always feel like everything is staged, characters come across as shallow, the mood does not come across at all. IMO, the ME games do a better job at storytelling, weird as it sounds.
Why Miranda is unique
I’ve seen a few comparisons of Miranda with other characters from Bioware games. I think she is unique. In DAO’s Morrigan, I liked that Morrigan chose to go her own way in spite of what she felt for the warden. But she’s a loner anyway, so that shouldn’t have surprised anyone, and I considered it a very fitting end. Miranda is not a loner, she just has few friends but values those all the more (Niket, Oriana, probably a few people at Cerberus, later Shepard). Another comparison that comes to mind is BG2’s Jaheira, but you never get Jaheira’s “mother-henning” attitude with Miranda. Miranda is also surprisingly “normal” when you get to know her. Or perhaps I should say “real”. Her problems may be of unusual scope, but in principle they’re familiar, apart from the genetic optimization issue. She’s neither an extreme character like Jack, nor an alien mystery like Tali, but a human woman with a lifelike presence you don’t see often (haven’t ever seen before?) in a game. Bioware walked a very fine like making her Shepard’s equal in a way: She’s clearly no follower, but not only does she also not dominate him, she never even tries! She makes her own decision, and will be happy if that leads to them being together, but you can easily imagine her walking away because of some decision made by him (of course, in the games she probably will not do so, but the important thing is that it feels as if she could). At the end of it all, I can think of no woman in a video game I would compare Miranda to. She’s unique. So far – perhaps we’ll see more of her kind.
BTW: I subscribe to Arijharn’s “champagne glass with a crack” analogy. Only with a champagne glass, a crack really ruins it, for appearance and purpose both, while in Miranda, the “crack” only makes more human and believable what otherwise would be boring perfection.
BG2 and gaming nostalgia
There’s a reason for the nostalgia. BG2 had an extremely engaging storyline and a very convincing villain (in SOA). We have the same in ME1, but DAO, while developing the character interaction part very well, has shortcomings – the enemy really isn’t believable, it’s just a mysterious faceless evil with no perceptible motivation. And the protagonist was better connected to the main plot in BG2 either. DAO is worlds ahead of BG2 in gameplay and character interaction – something the hardcore nostalgics refuse to see – but it does have shortcomings. As ME2, being an excellent game overall, nonetheless has shortcomings compared to ME1, particularly in that the connection of the team members to the main plot does not come across as it should, so that most character quests feel like sidequests.
Miranda’s first romance scene:
I reached this scene last night. This is where she and Shepard talk after her loyalty quest. I think it was extremely well done, almost the best scene of its kind in a game I’ve ever seen. So subtle – just a little touch, and a second of eye contact – but the erotic tension just jumps out of the screen and hits you in the face.
And the thought to end this post:
Friendships form from being attracted to the same fictional woman, but break up from being attracted to the same real one.
@ComTrav:
I think using Yvonne's face had a net positive effect.
Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 février 2010 - 11:21 .
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 11:44
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Player demographics and romantic encounters
This is just a hypothesis that came into my mind. Do you think that Miranda, as a rule, attracts older players more than younger ones? I suspect I myself would have reacted to Miranda quite differently when I was 20.
Well then.. I seem to now find myself in the minority of "younger" players who are attracted to this woman from her personality alone.
Regarding the thread slowing down - I woke up this morning to 10 pages I needed to read. I don't think we've slowed down. But.. I feel like we have begun losing things to discuss. It's hard to keep finding things to speculate and theorize about when there isn't much to begin with.
We don't know much about her past - so we can't discuss that, or her father. The only things we know are her sister, her ties with Cerberus, and her ties with Shepard.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 11:50
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I never met a wall of text I didn't like Ieldra, and it worked really well for me in grad school, so:
Fan fiction and 'canon' Shepards are a subject I was thinking about commenting on. If I were to write a fanfic, a major reason would be to fill out this Shepard fellow. The Bioware writers do their best allowing him to have voiced dialogue while still being able to roleplay him somewhat, while allowing you to project at least some of your motivations on to him. It's a system that does have limitations, though. (For one thing, it rarely acknowledges Shepard's biotic ability.)
Player demographics are tricky. Part of this is because gamer demographics aren't that broad in the first place; it's largely a pretty young crowd. However, I do think the Miranda romance skews towards an older demographic. I myself am 28. Maybe when I was younger, I would've found the giggly, awkward, first-serious-relationship with Tali more appealing, but at my age I was more drawn to Miranda's confidence, maturity, and wholly-owned sexuality. Miranda does remind me more of woman my own age, who are academically or professionally accomplished, and have the relationship experience and social intelligence to let you know what they want without feeling TERRIBLY self-conscious or awkward.
I have to admit, I haven't watched Chuck at all yet, lol. It's in my netflix queue. At least part of my motivation for watching it is, when asked my celebrity crush, I can say "Yvonne from Chuck" instead of "Yvonne from Mass Effect 2."
I might cave and get the ME books, but as a longtime SF reader, I'm a little worried about the 'franchise-ification' of the genre. I was at the nearby Borders earlier today, and saw more Halo books then there were for Dan SImmons, Charles Stross, and Nancy Kress put together. Which made me a little sad.
And Miranda/Shepard's scenes are all amazing well-staged. To think that Shepard romanced Ashley just by hanging out in the cargo bay! ("Skipper, Wrex and Garrus are like RIGHT THERE. And the guy who sells you items.")
Also, reposting the pics you mentioned:
(Yvonne...it's good to know that even after 250 pages, I've still got a FEW new Yvonne pics up my sleeve...or at least, some we haven't seen as much)
by AidonZon @ DeviantArt.
Fan fiction and 'canon' Shepards are a subject I was thinking about commenting on. If I were to write a fanfic, a major reason would be to fill out this Shepard fellow. The Bioware writers do their best allowing him to have voiced dialogue while still being able to roleplay him somewhat, while allowing you to project at least some of your motivations on to him. It's a system that does have limitations, though. (For one thing, it rarely acknowledges Shepard's biotic ability.)
Player demographics are tricky. Part of this is because gamer demographics aren't that broad in the first place; it's largely a pretty young crowd. However, I do think the Miranda romance skews towards an older demographic. I myself am 28. Maybe when I was younger, I would've found the giggly, awkward, first-serious-relationship with Tali more appealing, but at my age I was more drawn to Miranda's confidence, maturity, and wholly-owned sexuality. Miranda does remind me more of woman my own age, who are academically or professionally accomplished, and have the relationship experience and social intelligence to let you know what they want without feeling TERRIBLY self-conscious or awkward.
I have to admit, I haven't watched Chuck at all yet, lol. It's in my netflix queue. At least part of my motivation for watching it is, when asked my celebrity crush, I can say "Yvonne from Chuck" instead of "Yvonne from Mass Effect 2."
I might cave and get the ME books, but as a longtime SF reader, I'm a little worried about the 'franchise-ification' of the genre. I was at the nearby Borders earlier today, and saw more Halo books then there were for Dan SImmons, Charles Stross, and Nancy Kress put together. Which made me a little sad.
And Miranda/Shepard's scenes are all amazing well-staged. To think that Shepard romanced Ashley just by hanging out in the cargo bay! ("Skipper, Wrex and Garrus are like RIGHT THERE. And the guy who sells you items.")
Also, reposting the pics you mentioned:
(Yvonne...it's good to know that even after 250 pages, I've still got a FEW new Yvonne pics up my sleeve...or at least, some we haven't seen as much)
by AidonZon @ DeviantArt.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 11:50
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LOL. This has been posted somewhen this day on a thread discussing Tali (not *the* Tali thread):
I can only answer: we Mirimaniacs fully appreciate Miranda's great body. We also know she likes it to be appreciated, and of course it's sufficient reason to be attracted to her. But it's not sufficient to prefer her to any other woman in the ME universe we know of. For that, one must look a bit deeper.
I find Tali too friendly to really consider the romance option. I went with Miranda instead, she's got the boobs and the butt.
I can only answer: we Mirimaniacs fully appreciate Miranda's great body. We also know she likes it to be appreciated, and of course it's sufficient reason to be attracted to her. But it's not sufficient to prefer her to any other woman in the ME universe we know of. For that, one must look a bit deeper.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 11:57
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Well Miranda definitely has the looks to woo most gamers but I can honestly admit that it was her personalty and back story that made me fall for her. For the record, I'm 22.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 11:57
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I'm definitely one of the younger people in here, and I think I like Miranda for a lot of the same reasons as you guys/girls. That being said, I think I'm a fairly mature young person, and I could also never get in to the aliens. Alien/human relationships seem a little wrong to me.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 12:01
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Ieldra2 wrote...
Player demographics and romantic encounters
This is just a hypothesis that came into my mind. Do you think that Miranda, as a rule, attracts older players more than younger ones? I suspect I myself would have reacted to Miranda quite differently when I was 20.
ComTrav wrote...
Player demographics are tricky. Part of this is because gamer demographics aren't that broad in the first place; it's largely a pretty young crowd. However, I do think the Miranda romance skews towards an older demographic. I myself am 28. Maybe when I was younger, I would've found the giggly, awkward, first-serious-relationship with Tali more appealing, but at my age I was more drawn to Miranda's confidence, maturity, and wholly-owned sexuality. Miranda does remind me more of woman my own age, who are academically or professionally accomplished, and have the relationship experience and social intelligence to let you know what they want without feeling TERRIBLY self-conscious or awkward.
I myself am a mere 23 and find Miranda to be the most broadly attractive romance option in either of the ME games. The giggly, awakward, first-serious-relationships with Liara and Tali don't really appeal to me at all and nor does the swearing-like-a-truck-driver b*tchiness of Jack, or in all honesty the tomboy style of Ashley. Miranda is the VG embodiment of what I look for in a woman in real life: a combination of looks, intelligence and emotion.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 12:04
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I empathize - and wonder who else here but you and me may have read books by every one of these three (I may be surprised, though - after all I expect a few SF geeks in these forums). But it does make it easier to keep up with the interesting stuff. I can just pass about 80% of what I see on the bookshelves. It's inevitable as the SF genre gets more mainstream attention. It also happens to other genres. Look at what happened to vampire stories! I used to like vampire stories, but nowadays there's almost nothing but cheap romance with a thin layer of "vampire story" painted over it.I might cave and get the ME books, but as a longtime SF reader, I'm a little worried about the 'franchise-ification' of the genre. I was at the nearby Borders earlier today, and saw more Halo books then there were for Dan SImmons, Charles Stross, and Nancy Kress put together. Which made me a little sad.
Thanks for the source of the Miri pics. I've thought of browsing DeviantArt, but thought it would be too early to find anything of Miranda.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 12:05
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I'm 19 - does that make me special for considering Miranda to be a very attractive woman by her personality alone?
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 12:06
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I don't know. Maybe my hypothesis is wrong, but anecdotal evidence doesn't count. I wish XX55XX had included the players' age in his poll.Rathias0114 wrote...
I'm 19 - does that make me special for considering Miranda to be a very attractive woman by her personality alone?
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 12:16
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21 here, and I'm mostly pulled in by her personality and voice. Yvonne's face doesn't hurt, either. As for the rest...while I'm MOST DEFINITELY not complaining, my personal preference would've been for some more...normal clothes for her. The current ones still come across as a little too fanservice-y. Sexy is good; very good, but still...
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 12:21
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As I think Toshi hit the point on, I don't think it is entirely age based but maturity as well.
There is the old saying of people being mature for their age. To some younger folk whom show such signs, I imagine them to prefer the more mature lady to the giggly teen because they are looking for people on an 'equal' footing to how they see things.
I know for a fact that a woman like Miranda would probably still attract me more than Tali would even 10 or more years ago when I was in my early twenties. Now am not saying I would never have any of my Sheps have a romance with Tali, personally I like to experience all this game has to offer, but just on a 'connection' point of view, Miranda steals my heart more than any of the other female LIs do.
There is the old saying of people being mature for their age. To some younger folk whom show such signs, I imagine them to prefer the more mature lady to the giggly teen because they are looking for people on an 'equal' footing to how they see things.
I know for a fact that a woman like Miranda would probably still attract me more than Tali would even 10 or more years ago when I was in my early twenties. Now am not saying I would never have any of my Sheps have a romance with Tali, personally I like to experience all this game has to offer, but just on a 'connection' point of view, Miranda steals my heart more than any of the other female LIs do.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 12:29
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Yeah, Miranda went from being the Cerberus Cheerleader and Obvious Insider to someone my Shepard cared about a lot. In the end he said they can just be friends. When she told the TIM she is siding with me, I gained a lot of admiration for her. Having her leave Cerberus to join my Shep (despite he did not romance her) made me smile. I think I liked how she went to being that Cerberus Dog to a trusted friend was... heart warming.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 12:29
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One does wonder what's supposed to have happened to Miranda's eyes in this image. Otherwise very well done, but it's as if the artist couldn't be bothered to paint the eyes.
(Did I say I wouldn't have much time to post this day? Here I'm waiting for the end of a three-hour software install process...)
(Did I say I wouldn't have much time to post this day? Here I'm waiting for the end of a three-hour software install process...)
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 12:40
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Just to skew the data a little bit here, I seem to be one of the 'old(er) farts', being 33. Still, originally, I was going to romance Miri because it was Yvonne Strahotski, but then (as most will have guessed) I went "Damn, they actually created a character to care about!". Tali I find a little too cloyingly sweet and bouncy for my tastes. Hell, it's why I chose Ashley over Liara in ME1 - Ashley seemed a lot more grounded and practical than Liara.
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Posté 16 février 2010 - 01:25
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Wow, I fall asleep and wake to 10 new pages.
Anyway, I'm 17, and I believe rather than player's ages influencing the attraction to certain characters, I believe it is the certain literary education you have and your maturity combined.
Now don't get me wrong, I believe none of us would be here posting all these ideas and analyses if we all weren't mature and somewhat educated in the English/advanced literature department. I am going to be graduating from high school in May, and all 4 years I have taken a, what is called "Honors English", which is an advanced class that deals with analyzing stories and literary techniques very similar to what we do here. I'm glad I took this class because it gives me an education that allows me to apply a new certain depth to stories, characters, tones, etc. Now I'm not assuming all of us have had this type of class similar or greater, but obviously you guys know what you are talking about and understand the depths of stories and characters, which is why we maintain these great discussions about ME2, Shepard, Miranda, and even the show "Chuck", while being humorous, is a show with a great story and a great love story between Chuck and Sarah, the two main characters.
Now, about maturity. I believe all of us here, no matter what age, are mature. Why? Because we understand that Miranda/Sarah/Yvonne is a character/person that we analyze and discuss beyond their "assets". I'll reference an earlier comment, where someon said the Miri romance path was boring while stating maloccluded facts. Now I can understand if you dislike Miranda, but for the right reasons. If you don't like the character because they didn't "flaunt their assets" in the sex scene, then you are immature. Now, sure we admire Miranda/Yvonne's body, but we talk more about Yvonne and her characters and the depth they contain. This is and should be prevalent in all the character fan threads and fan pages. Yea, I'm 17 years old, younger than most of you, but I have scene things and done things that have allowed me to be mature. Immature players will only look at the boobs and the ass. We mature guys look at that and then every other mental and physical detail.
Whew, I need a drink...
Anyway, I'm 17, and I believe rather than player's ages influencing the attraction to certain characters, I believe it is the certain literary education you have and your maturity combined.
Now don't get me wrong, I believe none of us would be here posting all these ideas and analyses if we all weren't mature and somewhat educated in the English/advanced literature department. I am going to be graduating from high school in May, and all 4 years I have taken a, what is called "Honors English", which is an advanced class that deals with analyzing stories and literary techniques very similar to what we do here. I'm glad I took this class because it gives me an education that allows me to apply a new certain depth to stories, characters, tones, etc. Now I'm not assuming all of us have had this type of class similar or greater, but obviously you guys know what you are talking about and understand the depths of stories and characters, which is why we maintain these great discussions about ME2, Shepard, Miranda, and even the show "Chuck", while being humorous, is a show with a great story and a great love story between Chuck and Sarah, the two main characters.
Now, about maturity. I believe all of us here, no matter what age, are mature. Why? Because we understand that Miranda/Sarah/Yvonne is a character/person that we analyze and discuss beyond their "assets". I'll reference an earlier comment, where someon said the Miri romance path was boring while stating maloccluded facts. Now I can understand if you dislike Miranda, but for the right reasons. If you don't like the character because they didn't "flaunt their assets" in the sex scene, then you are immature. Now, sure we admire Miranda/Yvonne's body, but we talk more about Yvonne and her characters and the depth they contain. This is and should be prevalent in all the character fan threads and fan pages. Yea, I'm 17 years old, younger than most of you, but I have scene things and done things that have allowed me to be mature. Immature players will only look at the boobs and the ass. We mature guys look at that and then every other mental and physical detail.
Whew, I need a drink...
#6469
Posté 16 février 2010 - 01:29
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redBadger14 wrote...
Wow, I fall asleep and wake to 10 new pages.
Anyway, I'm 17, and I believe rather than player's ages influencing the attraction to certain characters, I believe it is the certain literary education you have and your maturity combined.
Now don't get me wrong, I believe none of us would be here posting all these ideas and analyses if we all weren't mature and somewhat educated in the English/advanced literature department. I am going to be graduating from high school in May, and all 4 years I have taken a, what is called "Honors English", which is an advanced class that deals with analyzing stories and literary techniques very similar to what we do here. I'm glad I took this class because it gives me an education that allows me to apply a new certain depth to stories, characters, tones, etc. Now I'm not assuming all of us have had this type of class similar or greater, but obviously you guys know what you are talking about and understand the depths of stories and characters, which is why we maintain these great discussions about ME2, Shepard, Miranda, and even the show "Chuck", while being humorous, is a show with a great story and a great love story between Chuck and Sarah, the two main characters.
Now, about maturity. I believe all of us here, no matter what age, are mature. Why? Because we understand that Miranda/Sarah/Yvonne is a character/person that we analyze and discuss beyond their "assets". I'll reference an earlier comment, where someon said the Miri romance path was boring while stating maloccluded facts. Now I can understand if you dislike Miranda, but for the right reasons. If you don't like the character because they didn't "flaunt their assets" in the sex scene, then you are immature. Now, sure we admire Miranda/Yvonne's body, but we talk more about Yvonne and her characters and the depth they contain. This is and should be prevalent in all the character fan threads and fan pages. Yea, I'm 17 years old, younger than most of you, but I have scene things and done things that have allowed me to be mature. Immature players will only look at the boobs and the ass. We mature guys look at that and then every other mental and physical detail.
Whew, I need a drink...
You hit it spot on, for that you deserve a glass of Jack Daniels.
#6470
Posté 16 février 2010 - 01:29
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I'm not awake enough to edit above, but:
*I have SEEN things*
*I have SEEN things*
#6471
Posté 16 février 2010 - 01:31
redBadger14
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Jack Daniels sounds good (yes I drink), but it's morning, maybe later
#6472
Posté 16 février 2010 - 01:33
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Very well put Badger, a plate of nachos for you my friend.
#6473
Posté 16 février 2010 - 01:39
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Now, now kid. Maybe a glass of lemonade for you instead.
Or at least some better whiskey than Jack Daniels.
Or at least some better whiskey than Jack Daniels.
#6474
Posté 16 février 2010 - 01:47
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Hey, I'm no kid :b
But any whiskey is fine, or beer
But any whiskey is fine, or beer
#6475
Posté 16 février 2010 - 01:50
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I'd recommend Glenmorangie or Isle of Jura Scotch Whiskies. Jack Daniel's is like poison...or really sour urine.
