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[DarthReavus]

ComTrav wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

Ah, one of my faves! Hey Com, do you have that Yvonne bikini sceen cap that I posted a while back? That would DEFINITELY end the 'war'.

PS: I'd post it myself but I don't have it on my PC, and I can't remember where I posted it.

ComTrav wrote...

I'm sorry...what war was that again?

[Ulicus]

Nastrod wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

So, assuming you've romanced Miranda as a paragon and continue it into ME3: what are people expecting of her? I mean, she balked at keeping the Collector base, and - if you destroyed it - she sided with Shep over the Illusive Man... but she's still a woman who not only expressed no regret over Cerberus' actions in ME1 but was an active apologist.

Just curious to hear what other people think about that. As much as I like Miranda, I keep thinking about Admiral Kahoku... and all those experiments that "crossed the line" that she seemed to have no problem with whatsoever.

(Renegades need not apply )

I do not think Cerberus will have as large a part in ME3 since I think it will be a much larger scale. I do do think she will be anti Cerberus but may use some contacts she has still in there. I think Cerberus will be a none factor in ME3 for the most part though.

I honestly think there is a reason for Legion and everythiing he said, Wrex leader of Krogan, Woman with the Rachni message talking about how they were mind controlled, Tali as a quarian admiral, and other things. ME3 will be more the universe Vs the reapers in a last stand.

Yeah, but I meant from a moral standpoint. If Miranda remains unrepentant for the things Cerberus got up to in ME1... how does a "pure" Paragon justify his being with her? Do they just not talk ethics round the dinner table, or what? 

[ComTrav]

Ulicus wrote...

So, assuming you've romanced Miranda as a paragon and continue it into ME3: what are people expecting of her? I mean, she balked at keeping the Collector base, and - if you destroyed it - she sided with Shep over the Illusive Man... but she's still a woman who not only expressed no regret over Cerberus' actions in ME1 but was an active apologist.

Just curious to hear what other people think about that. As much as I like Miranda, I keep thinking about Admiral Kahoku... and all those experiments that "crossed the line" that she seemed to have no problem with whatsoever.

(Renegades need not apply )

Miranda quite possibly knows a lot less about Admiral Kahoku and even Akuze then Dr. Chakwas and Joker...the cellular structure of Cerberus is intended to prevent anyone besides TiM from seeing the whole picture.

You can confront her on Rachni/Thorian Creepers/Husks though, and she replies that they had just found them, and were hoping to use them as shocktroopers to avoid the loss of human life. This is sorta what modern militaries are trying to do with UAVs/UGVs anyway, so I can see her point, but at the same time, those creepers/husks have to come from SOMEWHERE. 

It's interesting, if you ask her why she likes Cerberus, her reasoning is that it really gives her a chance to cut loose and use her abilities to maximum potential. In a way, it's a more elaborate cage then her father had, and part of her arc is her coming into her own and realizing she doesn't need TiM any more then she needed her father.

If you take the opportunity to push her on Cerberus and do things like take her on Jack's mission, she begins to realize that Cerberus is maybe Good People. It's the collector base where she realizes what Cerberus is really capable of, and it's a monstrosity too great for her to stomach. (I actually think it's important she makes a stand on principle, here, knowing what it could mean for her sister.)

In ME3, I don't expect her to dwell on the past of Cerberus and say, "what we did was wrong," so much as "I didn't understand the organization and myself as well as I do now." I still expects she believes that something like Cerberus is necessary, but there are some lines that shouldn't be crossed. (And it should be accountable to someone besides TiM.)

[Valmy]

Ulicus wrote...

Yeah, but I meant from a moral standpoint. If Miranda remains unrepentant for the things Cerberus got up to in ME1... how does a "pure" Paragon justify his being with her? Do they just not talk ethics round the dinner table, or what? 

We redeem her with love of course

[DarthReavus]

Valmy wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

Yeah, but I meant from a moral standpoint. If Miranda remains unrepentant for the things Cerberus got up to in ME1... how does a "pure" Paragon justify his being with her? Do they just not talk ethics round the dinner table, or what? 

We redeem her with love of course

And quality time in the Engine room...

[SnakeHelah]

Holy crap stop posting pics like that! I have stuff to do and you brain-storm me!

[ComTrav]

Valmy wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

Yeah, but I meant from a moral standpoint. If Miranda remains unrepentant for the things Cerberus got up to in ME1... how does a "pure" Paragon justify his being with her? Do they just not talk ethics round the dinner table, or what? 

We redeem her with love of course

Well even my "Captain America" Shepard used the Genophage research data from human experiments. Oh, and he killed an ancient and unique creature, the Thorian. And he stole the Normandy to go joy-riding to Illos.

Even the 'pure' Paragon bends the rules a lot of the time.

[Valmy]

Just out of curiosity I watched the 'Chuck' pilot last night and Yvonne was so ridiculously sexy, both getting ready for her 'date' and killing those guys while pretending to dance...that frankly I don't see any point to watching any more episodes. The show really has nowhere to go but downhill after that.

[Mox Ruuga]

They shouldn't Paragonize Miri. Not too much, anyway.

She should remain someone who challenges Shepard, and at times even one ups him (tho not often, Shepard is the hero after all). Above all, she should never be too needy or childish. Leave that to the Talimance. If she's mostly self sufficient, the vulnerable moments, rare as they are, become that much more precious.

[ComTrav]

SnakeHelah wrote...

Holy crap stop posting pics like that! I have stuff to do and you brain-storm me!

[Valmy]

ComTrav wrote...
Well even my "Captain America" Shepard used the Genophage research data from human experiments. Oh, and he killed an ancient and unique creature, the Thorian. And he stole the Normandy to go joy-riding to Illos.

Even the 'pure' Paragon bends the rules a lot of the time.

Only when he has no choice.  Captain Alliance Shepard always acts as nobley as possible given the circumstances.

[Nastrod]

Ulicus wrote...

Nastrod wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

So, assuming you've romanced Miranda as a paragon and continue it into ME3: what are people expecting of her? I mean, she balked at keeping the Collector base, and - if you destroyed it - she sided with Shep over the Illusive Man... but she's still a woman who not only expressed no regret over Cerberus' actions in ME1 but was an active apologist.

Just curious to hear what other people think about that. As much as I like Miranda, I keep thinking about Admiral Kahoku... and all those experiments that "crossed the line" that she seemed to have no problem with whatsoever.

(Renegades need not apply )

I do not think Cerberus will have as large a part in ME3 since I think it will be a much larger scale. I do do think she will be anti Cerberus but may use some contacts she has still in there. I think Cerberus will be a none factor in ME3 for the most part though.

I honestly think there is a reason for Legion and everythiing he said, Wrex leader of Krogan, Woman with the Rachni message talking about how they were mind controlled, Tali as a quarian admiral, and other things. ME3 will be more the universe Vs the reapers in a last stand.

Yeah, but I meant from a moral standpoint. If Miranda remains unrepentant for the things Cerberus got up to in ME1... how does a "pure" Paragon justify his being with her? Do they just not talk ethics round the dinner table, or what? 

I just do not think it will even come up much at all but the little bit it does will point to her being anti Cerberus.  Maybe a couple lines how her eyes have been opened but nothing major. I think Cerberus will be like the council in ME2.  The council was a major part in ME1 but as none factor in ME2.

[DarthReavus]

ComTrav wrote...

SnakeHelah wrote...

Holy crap stop posting pics like that! I have stuff to do and you brain-storm me!

Neural pathways overloading, synaptic degradation at critical lev................

Modifié par DarthReavus, 17 février 2010 - 08:31 .

[Andysilv]

Would you like us to give you some privacy Darth? ;-)

[ToshiStation38]

Alright, so I've been chipping away at my drawing periodically, and I'm getting close to the end. I'm not sure if anybody in here has much experience drawing and whatnot, but any constructive criticism would be much appreciated.



Also, I'm debating whether or not I should draw the shoulders/dress straps. I'm thinking I might just not bother.

[ComTrav]

Well, it's worth pointing out that almost every character challenges "Paragon Shepard" in some way. Even Samara kills pretty brutally, and she's as much a Paragon as your likely to find in the ME2 crew. (And Tali's attitude towards the Geth gets a lot more sympathy then Ashley's attitude towards the Turians did in ME1, but that's probably because you actually spent a whole game fighting Geth.) None of the NPCs are really all-Paragon or all-Renegade. (Grunt doesn't seem to have many rewarding Paragon responses, though.)



And Mox has a good point, part of the Miranda romance's appeal is that she's Shepard's equal, and be able to challenge him.

[ComTrav]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

Alright, so I've been chipping away at my drawing periodically, and I'm getting close to the end. I'm not sure if anybody in here has much experience drawing and whatnot, but any constructive criticism would be much appreciated.



Also, I'm debating whether or not I should draw the shoulders/dress straps. I'm thinking I might just not bother.

This looks great!


Also: I should go.

[Valmy]

I am sort of glad I do not know anybody who looks that good IRL. I would have trouble doing basic things like forming complete sentences.

[redBadger14]

Darth, its okay, everything will be...........



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Oh hey what was I saying?

[Valmy]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

Also, I'm debating whether or not I should draw the shoulders/dress straps. I'm thinking I might just not bother.

I think if you did do her choker and shoulders it would just reinforce this is supposed to be a drawing of Miranda (that is not to say you did not nail her face because you did).  The hair looks amazing excellent work.

Modifié par Valmy, 17 février 2010 - 08:36 .

[sometimesCATHY]

Toshi, wonderful job! Your drawing skills are awesome



This has got to be my favorite Chuck screen caps. I don't know why I like it more than the others, I guess I just do =)

[DarthReavus]

ComTrav wrote...

Well, it's worth pointing out that
almost every character challenges "Paragon Shepard" in some way. Even Samara kills pretty brutally, and she's as much a Paragon as your likely to find in the ME2 crew. (And Tali's attitude towards the Geth gets a lot more sympathy then Ashley's attitude towards the Turians did in ME1, but that's probably because you actually spent a whole game fighting Geth.) None of the NPCs are really all-Paragon or all-Renegade. (Grunt doesn't seem to have many rewarding Paragon responses, though.)

Agreed ComTrav. Up until getting to know Legion a little more people seem to forgive the fact that Tali wants to commit genocide against another sentient species, whereas they jump up and down on the fact Ash is very mildly xenophobic because of what happened to her grandfather. Am I the only one that thinks genocide is several million grades of evil worse than mild xenophobia?

Seeing as I was paragon towards Garrus in ME I was pleased when he said he had a strict rule for him and his squad: no civilian casualties.

ComTrav wrote...

And Mox has a good point, part of the Miranda romance's appeal is that she's Shepard's equal, and be able to challenge him.

And again ComTrav, agreed on the Miri front. She is an equal and a challenge, whereas the rest are star struck followers who pretty much throw themselves at him. Cases in point: Ash, Liara, Tali.

Modifié par DarthReavus, 17 février 2010 - 08:42 .

[redBadger14]

Awesome job Toshi!

Add in the choker on Miri's neck and it will be complete, I guess