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[ToshiStation38]

Thanks, guys.



I'm not so sure about the choker, though. It's supposed to be more of a formal attire. Would she really wear it all the time?

[DarthReavus]

You can almost see her in Miranda's Cerberus uniform can't you?

[Valmy]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

They shouldn't Paragonize Miri. Not too much, anyway.

She should remain someone who challenges Shepard, and at times even one ups him (tho not often, Shepard is the hero after all). Above all, she should never be too needy or childish. Leave that to the Talimance. If she's mostly self sufficient, the vulnerable moments, rare as they are, become that much more precious.

Heh I cannot see Miranda ever being needy or childish.

[Andysilv]

Well I can't draw at all but that looks bloody brilliant Toshi!

[Valmy]

DarthReavus wrote...

You can almost see her in Miranda's Cerberus uniform can't you?

I was about to say: lose the tan and dye her hair black and it's perfect.

[Vamp44]

ComTrav wrote...

SnakeHelah wrote...

Holy crap stop posting pics like that! I have stuff to do and you brain-storm me!

lol

[Ieldra]

Ulicus wrote...

So, assuming you've romanced Miranda as a paragon and continue it into ME3: what are people expecting of her? I mean, she balked at keeping the Collector base, and - if you destroyed it - she sided with Shep over the Illusive Man... but she's still a woman who not only expressed no regret over Cerberus' actions in ME1 but was an active apologist.

Just curious to hear what other people think about that. As much as I like Miranda, I keep thinking about Admiral Kahoku... and all those experiments that "crossed the line" that she seemed to have no problem with whatsoever.

(Renegades need not apply )

FIrst, I do not consider keeping the base a Renegade action. And the opposite not necessarily a Paragon one. That the game tells me differently doesn't matter - I don't subscribe to any kind of  this "better not to know" nonsense. As a rule, with a new technology, you have the option to use it well or to use it badly. You don't usually have the option not to use it. Destroy the knowledge, and sooner rather than later the wrong people will use it.

Second, Miranda doesn't justify the Cerberus actions we witnessed in ME1. TiM said rogue cells were responsible, if I recall things correctly. It's also possible she didn't know all of it. I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. Apart from that, having differences in opinion does not necessarily prevent a loving relationship. It may even enhance it.

Third, I usually play mostly Paragon, but I see 100% as unrealistic. I have no problems with a mainly Paragon Shepard making a few renegade decisions, even in the big things, just as in ME1, even my renegade Shepards never killed the Rachni queen. In fact, I enjoyed making the big decisions against the general trend in many cases. So my most Paragon Shepard didn't save the Council, and my most Renegade one did. (BTW, you do have four different endings in ME1). I neither believe in moral absolutes.....

...nor in attainable perfection. But Miranda does come close 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 février 2010 - 09:00 .

[Valmy]

ToshiStation38 wrote...

Thanks, guys.

I'm not so sure about the choker, though. It's supposed to be more of a formal attire. Would she really wear it all the time?

Ah...the only formal dresses we see in the ME universe are those full length things people like Emily Wong and the Asari wear sometimes.

But a little artistic license is alright...draw her shoudlers with the straps of her dress or something?

[Ieldra]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

They shouldn't Paragonize Miri. Not too much, anyway.

She should remain someone who challenges Shepard, and at times even one ups him (tho not often, Shepard is the hero after all). Above all, she should never be too needy or childish. Leave that to the Talimance. If she's mostly self sufficient, the vulnerable moments, rare as they are, become that much more precious.

Being self-sufficient and confident does not mean you're Renegade. I like Miranda as she is. If she changes her stance on certain things, that's OK with me, if she doesn't, that's OK as well. But her personality shouldn't change. Fortunately, I don't see Bioware doing such a thing.

[ToshiStation38]

Valmy wrote...

ToshiStation38 wrote...

Thanks, guys.

I'm not so sure about the choker, though. It's supposed to be more of a formal attire. Would she really wear it all the time?

Ah...the only formal dresses we see in the ME universe are those full length things people like Emily Wong and the Asari wear sometimes.

But a little artistic license is alright...draw her shoudlers with the straps of her dress or something?

I wouldn't even really call those formal. Those dresses are hideous, IMO, though. If I do anything it will basically just be a modern dress (as opposed to trying to make a futurisitic looking one). I'll probably do a drawing of her with her usual hairstyle and get-up later.

But yeah, It would basically just be the shoulders, although I was considering coloring the dress straps, but me and coloring usually involves irreversible mistakes.

[Valmy]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Second, Miranda doesn't justify the Cerberus actions we witnessed in ME1. TiM said rogue cells were responsible, if I recall things correctly. I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah her psychological defense is always the 'If only the Tsar knew' rationalization.  It just shows that even the most brilliant minds can fall victim to that.

I mean yes obviously the Subject Zero project went a little off the rails but the project was pretty horrific to begin with not even considering after it went rogue.

[Andysilv]

Maviarab wrote...

Understand perfectly sometimescathy....

Thats just....words simply cant express it....

From same site

That is brilliant! 

[Ieldra]

Valmy wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Second, Miranda doesn't justify the Cerberus actions we witnessed in ME1. TiM said rogue cells were responsible, if I recall things correctly. I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah her psychological defense is always the 'If only the Tsar knew' rationalization.  It just shows that even the most brilliant minds can fall victim to that.

I mean yes obviously the Subject Zero project went a little off the rails but the project was pretty horrific to begin with not even considering after it went rogue.

I'll have to replay Jacks loyalty quest in order to see the details again before I feel competent to answer.

For the psychological defense, the thing is we really don't know. I'd like to have more insight into the structure of Cerberus in order to know. I refuse to judge anyone if his or her defense isn't highly implausible. Then there is the fact that Cerberus brings Shepard back, *without* that notorious control chip and that TiM gives Shepard the means of defeating the Collectors. Whatever earlier actions were, that does count for something. They deserve a second chance. (although TiM's eyes are troubling...)

There's also this: it may be wrong that the end always justifies the means, but I do think that different ends justify different means. If survival is at stake, a lot more can be justified than for other ends (and no, I'm not trying to justify the experiments on unwilling humans etc.). BTW, this is how fascism works: it creates an illusory threat from without in order to justify its actions within in the name of survival. So this reasoning is really as double-edged as it comes. But true nonetheless IMO. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 février 2010 - 09:17 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

ComTrav wrote...

SnakeHelah wrote...

Holy crap stop posting pics like that! I have stuff to do and you brain-storm me!

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[firecleaner]

@ Toshi.... your drawing is great nice work on the hair, we never see Miranda with her hair up.

[DarthReavus]

@Ulrich - Nice Legion quotation there.



To everyone else, unfortunately I must be up ridiculously early in the morning for my crappy job so I must bid you all a goodnight. I shall see you all tomorrow after work!

[redBadger14]

Lol heres a humorous review from Zero Punctuation on Mass Effect 2 guys.

http://www.escapistm...1-Mass-Effect-2

Cant stop laughing....

[ToshiStation38]

Have a good sleep, Senor Reavus.

[Andysilv]

G'Night Darth! I'm hoping we hit 300 pages in a few hours so I don't miss the party.

[Brockololly]

redBadger14 wrote...

Lol heres a humorous review from Zero Punctuation on Mass Effect 2 guys.
http://www.escapistm...1-Mass-Effect-2
Cant stop laughing....

I love Yahtzee's reviews even when he tears up a game that I might like- he clearly liked ME2 quite a bit since his complaints (scanner) are pretty commonly held. And yes his idea at the end is brilliant- screw the Mako or Hammerhead, I want jetpacks!!!

[Melra]

andysilv87 wrote...

G'Night Darth! I'm hoping we hit 300 pages in a few hours so I don't miss the party.

Well using Yvonne as a tool to achieve that probably isn't forbidden so might as well......

[Ieldra]

redBadger14 wrote...

Lol heres a humorous review from Zero Punctuation on Mass Effect 2 guys.
http://www.escapistm...1-Mass-Effect-2
Cant stop laughing....

Oh no! ROTFL material for sure!

Although they talked too fast for my limited understanding of spoken English (as opposed to written), what I did understand is hilarious. I especially liked the part about where Commander Shepard should extract his resources from...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 février 2010 - 09:25 .

[ToshiStation38]

Brockololly wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Lol heres a humorous review from Zero Punctuation on Mass Effect 2 guys.
http://www.escapistm...1-Mass-Effect-2
Cant stop laughing....

I love Yahtzee's reviews even when he tears up a game that I might like- he clearly liked ME2 quite a bit since his complaints (scanner) are pretty commonly held. And yes his idea at the end is brilliant- screw the Mako or Hammerhead, I want jetpacks!!!

Yeah. As some one said, his "reviews" are more like comedy roasts than they are reviews. I find them to be pretty hilarious, especially the DA:O one ("You are an elf!").

[Andysilv]

Melrache wrote...

andysilv87 wrote...

G'Night Darth! I'm hoping we hit 300 pages in a few hours so I don't miss the party.

Well using Yvonne as a tool to achieve that probably isn't forbidden so might as well......

Man, I really hate Chuck sometimes!! Love that episode though, John Larroquette ftw!

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

redBadger14 wrote...

Lol heres a humorous review from Zero Punctuation on Mass Effect 2 guys.
http://www.escapistm...1-Mass-Effect-2
Cant stop laughing....

YES! We want wolves shooting lazers out of their mouths!

That was funny, good linkage Badger